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BOSTON - Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers made a 60-watt light bulb glow by sending it energy wirelessly — from a device 7 feet away — potentially heralding a future in which cell phones and other gadgets get juice without having to be plugged in.


The breakthrough, disclosed Thursday in Science Express, the online publication of the journal Science, is being called "WiTricity" by the scientists.

The concept of sending power wirelessly isn't new, but its wide-scale use has been dismissed as inefficient because electromagnetic energy generated by the charging device would radiate in all directions.

One advance was announced last fall, when MIT physics professor Marin Soljacic said he had figured out how to use specially tuned waves. The key is to get the recharging device and the gadget that needs power to resonate at the same frequency — allowing them to efficiently exchange energy.

It's similar to how an opera star can break a wine glass that happens to resonate at the same frequency as her voice. In fact, the concept is so basic in physics that inventor Nikola Tesla sought a century ago to build a huge tower on Long Island that would wirelessly beam power along with communications.

The truly new step, which is what was described in the paper in Science, was that the MIT team carried the concept out. The scientists were able to light up a 60-watt bulb that had "no physical connection" with the power-generating appliance.

"It was quite exciting," Soljacic said. The process is "very reproducible," he added. "We can just go to the lab and do it whenever we want."

The development raises the prospect that we might eliminate some of the clutter of cables in our ever-more electronic world. And if devices can get their power through the air, they might not need batteries and their attendant toxic chemicals.

However, the technology has a ways to go before it becomes practical.

The MIT system is about 40 to 45 percent efficient — meaning that most of the energy from the charging device doesn't make it to the light bulb. Soljacic believes his system needs to get twice as efficient to be on par with charging the chemical batteries in portable gadgets.

Also, the copper coils that transmit the power are about 2 feet wide for now — too big to be feasible for, say, laptops. And the 7-foot range of this wireless handoff could be increased — presumably so that one charging device could automatically power all the gadgets in a room.

Soljacic believes all those improvements are within reach. The next step is to fire up more than just light bulbs, perhaps a Roomba robotic vacuum or a laptop.

Soljacic's team stresses that the "magnetic coupling" process involved in WiTricity is safe on humans and other living things. And in the initial experiments on the light bulb, no harm came to the cell phones, electronic equipment and credit cards in the room — though more research on that is needed.

This is like the power transfer in Star Trek only it uses a 21th century method. Now i like to ask..

Could this be done on a large scale, lets say transmitting power to homes wirelessly instead of with large wires. A network of transmitters might be more efficient. This network would be centered around a power plant?

Could this be done for cities experiencing blackouts. Like transmitting power from a working grid to a non-working grid.

Could this be done for space-based transmitting of power from solar arrays in orbit to power receiving stations around the world? Could this be done from satellites designed to gain and transmit power to stations.
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Wow, that's pretty trippy. Remote power transmission.
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Dennis Toy wrote:This is like the power transfer in Star Trek only it uses a 21th century method.
I'm not so sure. Tesla already did this over a hundred years ago. The article says that he 'sought' to do this--but while Tesla never did build a large-scale wireless power transmitter, he did operate an electric light source with "no physical connection" to a power generator. The article is not clear on what the actual advance is in this regard, but I assume there is some for it to deserve a news article.
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Contactless recharging has been around for ages - the big deal is inverse-square and directionality. The article mentions 'tuning' it, and I think they're using huge copper coils to direct it, but it's not an altogether new idea. I'm interested to see their efficiency/range profile, which would give us an idea of how 'directional' it really is.
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What happens when a person gets in the way of these invisible energy paths?
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Hail Tesla :)
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:What happens when a person gets in the way of these invisible energy paths?
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Stas Bush wrote:Hail Tesla :)
Indeed!

For anyone who doesn't quite have the mental image of this kind of thing - check out "The Prestige" for a nice scene of Tesla doing essentially the same thing (though using the Earth as a conductor, not actually beaming the electricity).
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:What happens when a person gets in the way of these invisible energy paths?
Nothing, you'll only absorb the energy if you have a reciever.
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Tesla did toy with the idea of largescale wireless energy transfer. I do recall that the emitters were essentially directed energy weapons in the microwave frequency, so it's not surprising he also got working on a "death ray" to end all wars at that point too.

But this is really meant for small, portable devices where power cells can't get better than lithium types used today, and so having buildings use such a system means recharging and accessing the Internet without wires, which is convenient.

So it will be a shame when PO does hit that such things will be less focused on, though anything to replace wires for power transmission on the national scale would be far better than dilapidated overhead/underground cables we have today.

I happen to be dealing with one or two "mobile phones cause HEAD CANCER!!1" morons over at another board talking about this issue too.
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No adverse effects to being around this shit? No harmful radiation?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:No adverse effects to being around this shit? No harmful radiation?
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Very very interesting and with a huge potential. They're predicting commercial application within 5 years, so perhaps relatively soon sucky battery time will no longer be much of an issue for laptops and all portable gadgets (I'd imagine most homes and businesses would have a wireless charger when they become reasonably priced).

On a local note, Marin Soljačić is yet another fine example of the excellence of Zagreb's XV. Gymnasium (back under the old official name of MIOC - Matematičko informatički obrazovni centar - Educational centre for mathemathics and information technology, which to this day remains the colloquial name for the school), my old high school/gymnasium. Go MIOC! :D
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Stark wrote:Contactless recharging has been around for ages - the big deal is inverse-square and directionality. The article mentions 'tuning' it, and I think they're using huge copper coils to direct it, but it's not an altogether new idea. I'm interested to see their efficiency/range profile, which would give us an idea of how 'directional' it really is.
I seem to recall the previous article mentioning 40% efficiency at a few meters, which seemed rather insanely good for something like this.
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Xeriar wrote:I seem to recall the previous article mentioning 40% efficiency at a few meters, which seemed rather insanely good for something like this.
No shit. I'm curious about the rate of efficiency dropoff over range, not a single quoted figure. Efficiency might ALWAYS suck, even at 10cm, but stay relatively level out to 7m. Or it might be fine at short range but quickly drop off, making 7m a practical limit with this device.
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Kuroneko wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:This is like the power transfer in Star Trek only it uses a 21th century method.
I'm not so sure. Tesla already did this over a hundred years ago. The article says that he 'sought' to do this--but while Tesla never did build a large-scale wireless power transmitter, he did operate an electric light source with "no physical connection" to a power generator. The article is not clear on what the actual advance is in this regard, but I assume there is some for it to deserve a news article.
Hell, I did this a month ago. Just get a tesla coil and hold a fluorescent light bulb near it, and there you go! It's the same principle, but apparently these guys have managed to make it practical.

Then again, this might just be a very preliminary system that they're attention whoring to the media so they can get funding. Remember when someone came up with 40% efficient photovoltaic cells? It was easy to get caught up in the hopeful promise of the press releases -- but if you actually talk to a scientist in that field, you get another story entirely about their cost and practicality.
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So how soon before we can beam power down from an orbital array ala simcity 2's microwave power plant?
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I want a totally wireless laptop
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I really wouldn't invest in such a technology. It's a gimmick, and an expensive one. Look at the efficiency. At the moment, barely 60%, maybe up to 80% in the future. That's a lot of juice being wasted in a time when energy supplies are running into premium price territory.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I really wouldn't invest in such a technology. It's a gimmick, and an expensive one. Look at the efficiency. At the moment, barely 60%, maybe up to 80% in the future. That's a lot of juice being wasted in a time when energy supplies are running into premium price territory.
Depends in part on if it's easier to convert properly. Is the power supply in your computer even 60% efficient? Some of them aren't even 40%. The ultra-leet 90% efficiency power supplies are great - if you know how much power you're going to draw. They don't work well (or at all) under non-optimal loads.
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I read this earlier in popular science or mechanic :? ... either way, it uses radio waves to transmit power and is over three times as efficient as your internal combustion car. Since it uses radio waves it is very safe more than microwaves. So its a good tech to invest in :D
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It's a pity Tesla never got all the credit he deserved. He was quite ahead of his time.

What with Edison even attempting to squash Tesla's invention of AC power.
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Call me paranoid, but wireless power sounds like one of those things that might cause cancer.
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Seriously. If standing in front of a radar dish and getting bathed in those invisible energy beams can kill you, how much more actually transmitting energy to power houses and cars and computers and shit through people?

Of course, Vald's very enlightening "No." explains a whole lot of things, but still.
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Durandal wrote:Call me paranoid, but wireless power sounds like one of those things that might cause cancer.
The body doesn't react at all to this type of system, and even if EM was bad here, it's orders of magnitude below dangerous ionising rays like UV from the sun that can cause cellular damage via thymine dimerisation or base knockout. I'm quite easily more worried about the big ball of fusing gas one AU away from here than the mobile or PDA power levels we have emanating from our pockets. Literally, it's like raising concern over a magnifying glass focusing the sun on to a car and having it melt. There's no way it can happen and that is good enough. These endless studies are really just pointing out the blindingly obvious. The only way the radiation can harm you is via thermal heating, which you'd notice if your body started rising to 100 degrees C near a transmitter.

There is a supposed third mechanism which involves affecting plasmalemma permability in cells, but this is grasping at best.
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