Shinova wrote:I am a bit concerned about porn going absolute mainstream though. I don't care about the people in the porn itself, but I do care about the audience. What's to stop some 11 year-old from watching porn then trying it out on his little sister or something?
What's to stop some 11 year old from reading the Bible and then slaughtering his little sister for blaspheming God?
Good parenting. Not too common in the modern western world.
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If we define good parenting as "sheltering from reality", we are going to be truly fucked up. The notion that kids shouldn't be exposed to sex because they'll immediately start fucking everything in sight is moronic; by that notion, they shouldn't be exposed by any kind of violent imagery or they'll immediately kill everything they see.
Re "Sheltering of reality":
Children need some of that. Don't hand them the real stuff till they're old and mature enough to take it in responsibly.
Children need some of that. Don't hand them the real stuff till they're old and mature enough to take it in responsibly.
Justify that claim. An assertion does not justify itself. Let's suppose you teach your kid the following:
1) How sex works (lots of educational diagrams are available).
That's sex education, something parents should clarify with their kids at some point. I was talking about hardcore pornography being freely given to the public, including kids.
2) How a firearm works (lots of educational diagrams are available).
My main point was about NC-17 and above violence being shown openly to kids.
And about your quote: those are the technical aspects of a gun. They're all fine as long as the kid fully understands that guns kill. Kids have to be a certain age before they can actually grasp the concept of death, IIRC.
3) There are very bad people in this world who will do horrible things to children if they catch them.
Parent's job to make sure kids don't associate with strangers. This is a safety issue that all parents should be at least somewhat concerned about.
I think children's personal safety is universal enough that it doesn't fit into the category of stuff to be sheltered from children until they're a certain age. Sort of like a no-brainer thing. What do you think?
How will any of this harm the kid? In fact, is it not arguably helpful?
Shinova wrote:That's sex education, something parents should clarify with their kids at some point. I was talking about hardcore pornography being freely given to the public, including kids.
OK, how does hardcore pornography hurt the kid if he sees it but his parents have already explained to him what aspects of it are unrealistic? I'm not saying everyone should sit their kid down with hours of porno, but suppose the kid manages to see some; what's the big harm? Teaching of misogyny? Not all porno does that. Besides, the Bible does that in spades, and I don't see anyone screeching that it should be banned or restricted.
My main point was about NC-17 and above violence being shown openly to kids.
How does it hurt them?
Parent's job to make sure kids don't associate with strangers. This is a safety issue that all parents should be at least somewhat concerned about.
Yes, but many parents don't tell their kids what the stranger is liable to do to them. They believe that ignorance is bliss; they tell them only what they think they need to know. Again, I say: justify your claim that some harm is necessarily done by early exposure to imagery or ideas which are deemed "inappropriate".
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The chance of someone, anyone, getting rid of porn is about the same as me staring in porn. In fact, that may be the only way to kill the porn industry.
What makes you think it will happen? Obviously that 11-year old would be smart enough to realize that incest is disgusting.
OK, how does hardcore pornography hurt the kid if he sees it but his parents have already explained to him what aspects of it are unrealistic? I'm not saying everyone should sit their kid down with hours of porno, but suppose the kid manages to see some; what's the big harm?
I was 14.....
It sucks when all your knowledge of sex come from hentai.
Whether that was a bad thing is another matter, but I think so.
The job of a parent is to tell his kids not to do these things, and keep an eye on them to make sure they don't. Parents who are too fucking lazy to do this try to blame the media for putting ideas in their kids' heads, but here's a little secret: sex and violence were common TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FUCKING YEARS BEFORE TELEVISION, goddammit!! WHy does this even need to be explained, for fuck's sake?
And sheltering kids probably exists for just as long.
3) There are very bad people in this world who will do horrible things to children if they catch them.
How will any of this harm the kid? In fact, is it not arguably helpful?
Using Shinova's logic, we can assume that it's wrong to send a kid alone to visit his grandparents on the other side of the country because there's always the risk of he being kidnapped or being run over . My friend has done this countless times. Every summer he gets on a plane (alone) to Pennsylvania to visit his dad (his parents are divorced)
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put it this way, 98% of all people wank or look at porn and a good 90% lie about it and it is these people who are so uptight that try and wreck it for everyone
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Anyhow, I was 14 once too (three years ago, dammit!) And I can tell you that those kids who's parents haven't talked to them about Sex or Violence have some serious problems. My parents have always answered every question I've ever had, and I can tell you that I'm infinitely better off than those kids who grew up in sexually repressive households.
And have you ever read Grimm's Fairy Tales? They're not there to look nice, they're there to teach kids about the world. All this sheltering bullshit's just a new age concept IMHO.
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i dont think that watching porn hurts kids. i mean think of what it is: it´s simply 2 or more naked people having sex. nothing unnatural, illegal or perverted. seing a cock and a pussy doesnt harm anybody not even if they´re under 18.
Damn upstanding, moral and stupid members of the world community.
now, personally, I am not a fan of porn. I've found it to cause trouble in my family previously, so I avoid it myself. whether I'd want to burn it the world over, I am unsure of as of yet. the sadistic stuff, probably.
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SWPIGWANG wrote:And sheltering kids probably exists for just as long.
If you're talking about kids being sheltered from sex and violence for tens of thousands of years then no, that isn't the case.
I hate it when people keep saying how porn is bad and don't provide any real reasons of why this is the case.
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"We must take our stand, but in a redemptive way. Considering the example of Jesus, we should view sin as an opportunity to point people toward the kind of life God created us to have. We shouldn’t use pornography, or any other sin, as an opportunity to flaunt our spiritual superiority to other people. The truth is, by nature we’re all just as far from God, and it’s only by God’s grace that anyone can come to Him at all. "
Oh yeah? Like this twat knows what I think!
I can assure you all, that heaven is awash with the most delectable pornagraphic treats, in fact sex is encouraged. Where, you might ask then are all the prudes? the sexles wonders who do so much to put a crimp in our lives, the killjoys, the puritanical freaks? They too my children, are in heaven, but you would regard their heaven as hell, for they sleep nightly on wooden, narrow beds and flagillate daily, hourly even, for their heaven is the hell of fire and brimstone.
Jesus Christ wrote:"We must take our stand, but in a redemptive way. Considering the example of Jesus, we should view sin as an opportunity to point people toward the kind of life God created us to have. We shouldn’t use pornography, or any other sin, as an opportunity to flaunt our spiritual superiority to other people. The truth is, by nature we’re all just as far from God, and it’s only by God’s grace that anyone can come to Him at all. "
Oh yeah? Like this twat knows what I think!
I can assure you all, that heaven is awash with the most delectable pornagraphic treats, in fact sex is encouraged. Where, you might ask then are all the prudes? the sexles wonders who do so much to put a crimp in our lives, the killjoys, the puritanical freaks? They too my children, are in heaven, but you would regard their heaven as hell, for they sleep nightly on wooden, narrow beds and flagillate daily, hourly even, for their heaven is the hell of fire and brimstone.
You can keep your heaven...its valhalla or bust for me....infact the bust on that one over there looks quite nice.....
Anyway....there's something to an afterlife based on getting drunk, getting laid and getting in fights.....it seems so much easier to market than the white fluffy harp and wings thing....if for no other reason than the main entry requirements are
a) Getting drunk
b) getting laid
c) getting into fights.....
Jesus Christ wrote:"We must take our stand, but in a redemptive way. Considering the example of Jesus, we should view sin as an opportunity to point people toward the kind of life God created us to have. We shouldn’t use pornography, or any other sin, as an opportunity to flaunt our spiritual superiority to other people. The truth is, by nature we’re all just as far from God, and it’s only by God’s grace that anyone can come to Him at all. "
Oh yeah? Like this twat knows what I think!
I can assure you all, that heaven is awash with the most delectable pornagraphic treats, in fact sex is encouraged. Where, you might ask then are all the prudes? the sexles wonders who do so much to put a crimp in our lives, the killjoys, the puritanical freaks? They too my children, are in heaven, but you would regard their heaven as hell, for they sleep nightly on wooden, narrow beds and flagillate daily, hourly even, for their heaven is the hell of fire and brimstone.
You can keep your heaven...its valhalla or bust for me....infact the bust on that one over there looks quite nice.....
Anyway....there's something to an afterlife based on getting drunk, getting laid and getting in fights.....it seems so much easier to market than the white fluffy harp and wings thing....if for no other reason than the main entry requirements are
a) Getting drunk
b) getting laid
c) getting into fights.....
Hmm....
My son, there is but one heaven and entry is assured by the way one lives one's life regardless of thy beleifs. Did thou know that hangovers are a optional extra in heaven?
The funny thing is that compared to the "Church" (the biggest anti-porn supporter), the percentage of employees of the "sex industry" acknowledged to have commited child sex crimes is practically non-existant. Yes, of course, porn is evil and immoral!
*gun shots*
*necro runs out of a building with a Mac-10 in one hand an porn mags in the other*
YOULL NEVER HAVE MY 14YO PORN! NEVER I SAY!! NEVER!!!!!!!!
*more gun shots*
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM MY COLD DEAD LEFT HAND!
A group of christian fundies run out of a building with crosses and torches, they try to grab necro, he fires a burst, chopping a fundies right leg off.
They succede in grabbing him!
DIE YOU SLUGS! I WILL LIVE FOREVER! ILL KILL YOU ALL!
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*body parts, bloody carcasses and shredded porn flies everywhere*
. My friend has done this countless times. Every summer he gets on a plane (alone) to Pennsylvania to visit his dad (his parents are divorced)
