"World War Hulk" - Commentary and Discussion

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-10 11:28pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Namor:"Banner will come back from whence you send him and he will kill you all! And he'll be right."

Namor - Smarter than Reed Richards and Tony Stark.
why am I now picturing the hulk in a yellow jumpsuit and carrying a hanzo katana...

but then we would have to change the title to "Kill Stark"

I would not object in the slightest to this.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-06-13 05:15pm

So the smashing has begun and the spoilers will flow.

Stark and Reed's treatment of Reynolds is deployable.

Stark's PR tape about how great a guy he is was vomit inducing.
His claim to a one on one battle where he calls in air support was a new height of hypocrisy, as was his justification of his attempted murder of Banner "because he would want it that way".

I'm just glad Hulk gave him the beating he deserved, shame we didn't see more of the Blackbolt fight (maybe in Hulk itself?), toppling Stark towers was an especially nice touch.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-06-13 05:55pm

Hmm. First issue was a decent kick-off. While I'm more excited for this than Civil War, my main focus on a summer event is the forthcoming "Sinestro Corps War" in the pages of Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. Still, some good stuff. I especially love how the cat's out of the bag in regards to the Illuminati's existence. If any of them get through this, I'm sure the rest of the super-hero community and general will be anxious to know just what else these guys were up to since the Kree-Skrull War...

une · Post by **une** » 2007-06-13 06:31pm

I just read the first issue. Pretty good. They actually made Iron Man seem very heroic, or at least more so than he has been recently, and they made the Hulk very sympathetic yet quite scary as well. The fight scene between Iron Man and the Hulk was great. I especially loved Iron Man's, "Oh hell" comment after his failed attempt at killing the Hulk.

Overall a very good issue!

Post by **Steve** » 2007-06-13 11:03pm

JME2 wrote:While I'm more excited for this than Civil War, my main focus on a summer event is the forthcoming "Sinestro Corps War" in the pages of Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps.

Oh. HELL. YEAAAAAAAAH.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-06-13 11:49pm

As a long time Iron Man fanboy, I just want to take this moment to voice my approval for what Marvel has done to Tony Stark. I just wish they'd put him back in his classic armor.

Loner · Post by **Loner** » 2007-06-14 12:05am

I liked the moments leading up to and after the fight with Black Bolt.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-06-14 01:57am

Artwork is pretty shitty.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-14 02:56am

I like how some people basically say Tony's somehow better than Hulk because Hulk threatened to start tearing the planet up if the Illuminati didn't come out and face him instead of hiding when what we've got here is essentially a war being declared by a head of state.

The best comparison I can give is it's like the president of the USA only asking for the guy who gave the order and the guy who pushed the button after the USSR unloaded it's entire arsenal onto the states.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-14 03:09am

Especially since Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic are directly responsible for the death of millions/billions of lives. The Hulk is asking for three war criminals to be handed over. Instead, Iron Man basically declares war, attacks him and orders missle strikes. I wonder how many people died when the Stark towers collapsed because Iron Man just HAD to fight the Hulk and get the army involved.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-06-14 03:44am

Praxis wrote: I wonder how many people died when the Stark towers collapsed because Iron Man just HAD to fight the Hulk and get the army involved.

Very few I would wager, since the city was pretty much entirely evacuated a few pages earlier.

MadSorcerer · Post by **MadSorcerer** » 2007-06-14 04:36am

Praxis wrote:Especially since Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic are directly responsible for the death of millions/billions of lives. *snip*

I didn't read Planet Hulk, was the bomb intentional?

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2007-06-14 06:56am

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-06-14 07:16am

Lonestar wrote:No.

We don't know that for certain.

It is possible one of the Hulk's companions set it off deliberately (the Brood of Miek were seen hanging around it) or it could even be some sort of anti-tamper devise installed by the illuminati.

In either case they sent a ship that had the potential to destroy an entire city and it did just that, any court would find them guilty of criminal negligence (well any court where they couldn't buy the verdict).

Vaporous · Post by **Vaporous** » 2007-06-14 07:53am

Praxis wrote:
In fact, he slept with She-Hulk.

Even more reason for Jen to be ticked with him.

Also:

Sucks to be Tony Stark. Thor's gonna be TICKED.

I don't really follow comics these days, but damn is the artwork in those frames awful.

Tony Stark as self centered asshole gone wild isn't as surprising as I thought, on second glance.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-14 10:18am

Manus Celer Dei wrote:
Praxis wrote: I wonder how many people died when the Stark towers collapsed because Iron Man just HAD to fight the Hulk and get the army involved.
Very few I would wager, since the city was pretty much entirely evacuated a few pages earlier.

Wait, all of New York?

(I haven't read the issue yet, just the fight scans, I plan to pick it up tomorrow if I can)

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2007-06-14 10:23am

Praxis wrote:
Manus Celer Dei wrote:
Praxis wrote: I wonder how many people died when the Stark towers collapsed because Iron Man just HAD to fight the Hulk and get the army involved.
Very few I would wager, since the city was pretty much entirely evacuated a few pages earlier.
Wait, all of New York?

(I haven't read the issue yet, just the fight scans, I plan to pick it up tomorrow if I can)

Yup. Gotta love super powered workers and telepaths to pick up distress signals

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-14 10:24am

Yeah Hulk gave them 24 hours to evacuate and thanks to the help of the anti-regs and pro-regs working together for once they managed it.

Of course Tony, conniving weasel that he is only agreed not to arrest them and offered a completely worthless pardon if they helped and surrendered afterwards.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-06-14 12:26pm

Vaporous wrote:
Praxis wrote:
In fact, he slept with She-Hulk.

Even more reason for Jen to be ticked with him.

Also:

Sucks to be Tony Stark. Thor's gonna be TICKED.
I don't really follow comics these days, but damn is the artwork in those frames awful.

Tony Stark as self centered asshole gone wild isn't as surprising as I thought, on second glance.

I thought she-hulk married jameson the werewolf.....

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-06-14 01:57pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote: I thought she-hulk married jameson the werewolf.....

Stargod and yes she did.

However she was under the influence of Eros' emotion control at the time (which had been mimicked by Awesome Andy), once released from it she decided she wanted an annulment although I don't believe they have actually gotten one yet (She Hulk got drafted the same day she found out so she may not have had time to start proceedings).

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-06-14 03:32pm

The Hulk comes across as a terrorist in this issue to me. He and Tony deserve each other at this point. Hopefully they'll kill each other off.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-06-14 03:52pm

Jason wrote:The Hulk comes across as a terrorist in this issue to me. He and Tony deserve each other at this point. Hopefully they'll kill each other off.

No, he is the King of a sovereign nation.

They get to kill folk and it is perfectly above board.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-06-14 03:58pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Jason wrote:The Hulk comes across as a terrorist in this issue to me. He and Tony deserve each other at this point. Hopefully they'll kill each other off.
No, he is the King of a sovereign nation.

They get to kill folk and it is perfectly above board.

I have no intention of getting into a full blown political discussion over this but will just say that IMO there is no different set of rules for a "King of a sovereign nation" that they get to play by.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-06-14 04:32pm

Jason wrote: I have no intention of getting into a full blown political discussion over this but will just say that IMO there is no different set of rules for a "King of a sovereign nation" that they get to play by.

There quite clearly are different rules for how nations at war can act and how civilians can act, whether you dislike that idea is up to you but there clearly are different rules.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2007-06-15 09:41am

With all the dickery Iron Man caused during the CW, he definitly got what he deserved. Unfortunately, he'll probably live after having Stark Towers dropped on him. And was Black Bolt killed or just knocked the fuck out by Hulk?