STGOD: A Dead Art?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-15 04:58pm

UCBooties wrote:To update, my OoB is up if anyone wants to take a look.

I have taken a look. Pirate scum.

Rawtooth · Post by **Rawtooth** » 2007-06-15 05:03pm

UCBooties, you can't have a cloak-able ship over 10 points. Says so in the rules.

Darkevilme · Post by **Darkevilme** » 2007-06-15 05:04pm

Hmm, i've just recently noticed that i seem to be a little short on heavy ships compared to several other civilizations. is that bad?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-06-15 05:09pm

Darkevilme wrote:Hmm, i've just recently noticed that i seem to be a little short on heavy ships compared to several other civilizations. is that bad?

It's bad if you can't mass enough force against their fleets when they attack you. It doesn't matter if the thermonukes that smash their shields and slag their hulls come from destroyers or battleships, just that you have enough. Big ships have a survivability advantage, but tend to be slower and you have the "eggs in one basket" syndrome.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2007-06-15 05:13pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:
Darkevilme wrote:Hmm, i've just recently noticed that i seem to be a little short on heavy ships compared to several other civilizations. is that bad?
It's bad if you can't mass enough force against their fleets when they attack you. It doesn't matter if the thermonukes that smash their shields and slag their hulls come from destroyers or battleships, just that you have enough. Big ships have a survivability advantage, but tend to be slower and you have the "eggs in one basket" syndrome.

There is also the fact that a capital warship might come back gutted but repairable, whereas a bunch of little ships spent in attritional tactics are going to be just vapor. So you'll probably want at least some capital warships in your arsenal.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-06-15 05:23pm

Thirdfain wrote:The way I see it, a naiton's Army budget is actually going to be pretty huge. Adding 10 points of funding is actually a drop in the bucket, so to speak, and would represent only a marginal overrall improvement or a couple elite units.

I don't see how army funding would be much different than navy funding, and an extra cruiser, while not much, is not quite a drop in the bucket.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-15 05:24pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Thirdfain wrote: I don't see how army funding would be much different than navy funding, and an extra cruiser, while not much, is not quite a drop in the bucket.

I've got a cruiser force of almost 50 cruiser-sized vessels; so yeah, a single cruiser IS a drop in the bucket

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-06-15 05:25pm

Goddamn your speed. I changed my mind and was about to delete that post.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2007-06-15 05:37pm

Rawtooth wrote:UCBooties, you can't have a cloak-able ship over 10 points. Says so in the rules.

So it does. My apologies, I'll be fixing that ASAP

Darkevilme · Post by **Darkevilme** » 2007-06-15 06:17pm

Ah i think i'll do fine then, my last question of course is. When does the game start?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2007-06-15 06:17pm

Rawtooth wrote:Noble Ire, your FTL drive isn't kosher with the rules. Any drive can be interdicted.

True; I'll fix that.

And I'm still wondering about the possibility of an "occupation" bonus for specialized planetary assault ships.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-06-15 06:18pm

Darkevilme wrote:Ah i think i'll do fine then, my last question of course is. When does the game start?

The game has already begun. Jump right in.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-15 07:20pm

The game has already begun. Jump right in.

Technically, we are still in the preliminaries... No movement of ships/weapons yet, for instance.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-06-15 07:36pm

Thirdfain wrote:Technically, we are still in the preliminaries... No movement of ships/weapons yet, for instance.

True - but that's not all of this game, from what I've observed.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2007-06-15 07:44pm

Not that you can't start after the game has begun, of course. But the game starts when the story thread is opened up.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-15 07:59pm

NOTICE

Players should head over to THIS thread to weigh in on mod selection. Voting is not mandatory, but it's better if everyone does... after all, those picked as mods will be the ones whose rulings we all gotta live with!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2007-06-15 08:07pm

Beowulf... Just to avoid even the chance of a repeat of the two seperate water-bombs(One constructed in secret, one which was the guy's hover-cycle)...

No, your intertial dampner doesn't explode when turned off. No, your guys don't spew massive power on death.

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2007-06-15 08:22pm

I do have an OOB coming and all the STGOD threads are freaking me out...

Redleader34 · Post by **Redleader34** » 2007-06-15 08:29pm

Is my OOB all Kosher?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-15 08:43pm

Redleader34 wrote:Is my OOB all Kosher?

Redleader, a couple of points I noticed immediately:

1. Fighters- you do not need to spend points on fighters, they come free with carriers.

2. Your designations are a little screwy, such as that 30-point "cruiser." Seeing as 20 points represents a battleship, a 30-point vessel would be considered a heavy capital ship.

You also spend points on attack and defense, which is not necessary- overly complex, just add those to the ship's main cost.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2007-06-15 08:43pm

SirNitram wrote:Beowulf... Just to avoid even the chance of a repeat of the two seperate water-bombs(One constructed in secret, one which was the guy's hover-cycle)...

No, your intertial dampner doesn't explode when turned off. No, your guys don't spew massive power on death.

Ships are not equipped with the inertial canceller. They're fanatics, but they're not stupid. Any damage to that could kill them even if they could otherwise still fight. The inertial cancellers are used on missiles. Gives a much higher realspace speed than their energy would ordinarily allow. The explosion is merely physics's way of fixing up the violations of CoE and/or CoM that would otherwise occur from this. They can't explode with more energy than was put into accelerating the object in the first place. I'm not trying to have my ships explode upon death, or create a bomb inside someone's capital secretly (that would require you to be able to give the missile megatons of energy before it left the capital anyway, and which point, why not just use a regular bomb. You'd need it to give it enough energy anyway)

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2007-06-15 10:13pm

I know my OOB is a bit shy on details right now, and i'll fix it up this weekend. I just didn't want to let the game start without me.

Rest assured i'll have a developed OOB as soon as I have time to crank it out (as I said, probably this weekend) I just wanted to let everyone know that yes, I was playing, and yes, I am playing the Krytosians again.

Also, if for some reason there are major events going on, and I am unavailable, or don't have time, I have appointed Thirdfain to act as my Proxy in the interests of keeping the game going.

Redleader34 · Post by **Redleader34** » 2007-06-15 10:31pm

Well, after the fixes, is my OOB better?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-15 10:42pm

It seems almost perfect, my one problem are those planetary defenses which include massive FTL interdiction; you need to specify howq many of those 40 points are defenses and how many are in the interdictor.

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-06-15 11:01pm

I am updating the summary now; it's in it's own thread. Academia Nut, you seem to be 20 points under since removing some of your advantages. I would appreciate it if people could PM me if they update their OOB once they're on the summary.