Dr. Who Ep. 2911: Utopia [Spoilers]

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2007-06-17 02:37pm

Dartzap wrote:For those who did not see the Coming soon trailer at the end, spoilers ahoy

I did watch DWC this morning - Saxon/TM does have a red sonic screwdriver, it has three little LED's in the tip, rather than a whole circle blue one, like the Doc's

Im hoping thats a TCE.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2007-06-17 02:43pm

DocHorror wrote:
Dartzap wrote:For those who did not see the Coming soon trailer at the end, spoilers ahoy

I did watch DWC this morning - Saxon/TM does have a red sonic screwdriver, it has three little LED's in the tip, rather than a whole circle blue one, like the Doc's
Im hoping thats a TCE.

Wassat then, eh?

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2007-06-17 02:44pm

Dartzap wrote:
DocHorror wrote:
Dartzap wrote:For those who did not see the Coming soon trailer at the end, spoilers ahoy

I did watch DWC this morning - Saxon/TM does have a red sonic screwdriver, it has three little LED's in the tip, rather than a whole circle blue one, like the Doc's
Im hoping thats a TCE.
Wassat then, eh?

Tissue Compression Eliminator.

Shrinks people to death.

sketerpot · Post by **sketerpot** » 2007-06-17 03:49pm

Stark wrote:
sketerpot wrote:There has been quite a bit of foreshadowing about UNIT.
Um, no shit? I'm pointing out we've got 3rd Doctor style Master vs UNIT shit again. What's YOUR point?

I thought I had a point, but it turned to sand.

I was awfully sleepy when I wrote that; oops.

Course, how the FUCK the Face of Stupid Shit even KNEW is a whole different crock of shit.

Perhaps the (very fun) episode "Blink" was meant to have so many plot holes that you don't notice the other ones.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2007-06-17 03:56pm

I really enjoyed that one.

Though I knew as soon as he looked at the TARDIS that he was the Master. I was like "Yeah! Master!".

Though for people like myself who only came into DW with the new series, how are they going to explain the Master. I only know that he's some sort of awesome villain by reading your discussions, how will casual fans take that?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-06-17 05:53pm

I imagine it'll all be explained next episode.

He's the archenemy of the Doctor, and a being of absolute evil. That's really all that needs to be told.

Hitch Hiker · Post by **Hitch Hiker** » 2007-06-17 06:08pm

Slightly bigger history of the Master

The Master, fellow Timelord and renegade, class mate of the Doctors at the academy on Gallifrey. left Gallifrey for pretty much the same reasons the Doctor did originally, bored of there society. However to be the opposite side of the coin as it were, he meddled in the affairs of planets and tried to conquer the universe every second of the day, even holding it to ransom in the story Logopolis.
The Master has/ had been cheating death for a long time, well past his final regeneration, stole the body of others to strive off his own death. Even at the hands of the Daleks where he was exterminated however was able to morph his remains into an alien crystalline creature before taking over another body belonging to a human on earth in 1999. Was last seen on screen being sucked into the heart of the TARDIS or eye of harmony as it used to be known.

actually that could explain why he had the ability to regenerate, he did absorb a lot of energy from the eye...must of had an affect on his genetic makeup, screwy as it was

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-06-17 09:14pm

What makes you say the Eye of Harmony and the heart of the TARDIS are the same? The Eye is a power source, the heart is the actual time vortex. As an aside, it's amusing that the Doctor mentions the god-creating nature of the vortex when the Master steals his TARDIS - apparently he's much more interested in old-fashioned conquest and avoiding the sideeffects.

Parallax · Post by **Parallax** » 2007-06-17 10:25pm

I'd assume the Heart of the TARDIS is more the sentience side of the TARDIS than anything else.

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-06-17 10:45pm

I think the idea of Rose releasing the Master from the Eye by her actions at the end of the first season is a good one.

I really liked Derek Jacobi's performance. I got I Claudius goosebumps from his acting.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-06-18 02:18am

Parallax wrote:I'd assume the Heart of the TARDIS is more the sentience side of the TARDIS than anything else.

Isn't it explicitly stated to contain the vortex? Poetic names aside, I just figured the vortex was 'in' the 'heart', which is the console/column. She didn't absorb the power of the TARDIS or whatever: she was full of vortex energy.

And the Master clearly doesn't want a fucking bar of that bullshit. If even Mr '33% of the universe is an acceptable loss' won't use it, it's not surprising the Time Lords didn't use it in their war.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2007-06-18 11:12am

Well the doctor kinda pissed me off with his running from Jack, then his explanation just ticked me off more, I though the atleast had a good reason but he's just being a cunt. Maybe he only likes to be around ordinary humans so he can feel superior and thats why he's against stuff like rejuvenation and whatnot.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2007-06-18 03:00pm

Finally got around to seeing it: loved every (sparse) second of the Master already. His whole demeanor, and particularly the 'haha, TOUGH!' bit just before he zips off in the TARDIS was just brilliant. John Simm appears to be a very good pick for an oldschool completely insane villain.

His two thumbs up in the trailer whilst he gassed the cabinet (?) to death was also very promising

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Ariphaos · Post by **Ariphaos** » 2007-06-18 03:53pm

I think the guy rightly deserves to be the foil for the next season, if not more.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2007-06-18 05:24pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:Well the doctor kinda pissed me off with his running from Jack, then his explanation just ticked me off more, I though the atleast had a good reason but he's just being a cunt. Maybe he only likes to be around ordinary humans so he can feel superior and thats why he's against stuff like rejuvenation and whatnot.

It seemed implied that there was a lot more to it than that. An instinctive revulsion on account of what he is as a species. To the extent that it almost seems to pain him to look at Jack.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2007-06-18 05:34pm

Vympel wrote:I think the idea of Rose releasing the Master from the Eye by her actions at the end of the first season is a good one.

I really liked Derek Jacobi's performance. I got I Claudius goosebumps from his acting.

When the drums started playing I thought right away of John Hurt screaming "The pounding in my head, Drusilla!"

Fantastic episode, and the actors they got for the master are Fantastic. "Bye-bye!"

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2007-06-18 05:38pm

Though, I must add, I think I preferred Jacobi's first time round as the Master to this.

Not by much though.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-06-18 06:48pm

Lord Woodlouse wrote:It seemed implied that there was a lot more to it than that. An instinctive revulsion on account of what he is as a species. To the extent that it almost seems to pain him to look at Jack.

The Doctor ditches people ANYWAY: since mere contact with Jack was enough to send his TARDIS into a hizzy, you really can't blame him for leaving post 'being killed by the vortex'. What should he have done, given him counselling? Jack's been fixed as he is, so he's clearly not in any danger. And he's grown as person again.

Then again, you'd think he would have just un-done it. Perhaps using the power at all would have destroyed him, and he couldn't risk it?

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-06-18 08:18pm

Plekhanov wrote: What you don't understand why the Master (a guy who's been foiled by the Doctor how many times now?) was on the look out for the Doctor whilst up to no good on the planet and in the general time period that the doctor turns up in more than any other?

Now let me think that's a tough one.

But it is interesting to know how the continuity between pre-"Utopia" Doctor and post-"Sound of Drums" Doctor could be seperate or how the Doctor somehow gets back to 21st century London to stop the Master and why he didn't warn his past self (although it would bugger up his timeline and the Master's henchmen are already after the aware Doctor to keep the timeline as it is, so it would get the Master back). But it looks like the Master has already won for now, if his new neo-Time Lord empire on Earth until the fourth season is anything to go by.

And although NecronLord is going to rap me on the knuckles, the new aliens that the Master ks apparently working in concert with in next weekend's episode is always how I imagined Culture drones to move around and look like...

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2007-06-18 11:02pm

I think the old guy played a great "Professor" but it didn't seem to work when he became the Master. The younger one was better.

However, I've no prior history of the Master beyond what I've read on here. I did enjoy the quotes from the watch, especially one where the Master quoted Zod.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-06-19 04:08am

Simms was too flippant to feel like he was properly The Master. Yes, I know Timelords do have personality changes between regenerations and he had more than enough reason to be exuberant, but I do hope he settles down into a more stylish and restrained mastery of evil.

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-06-19 06:30am

Imperial Overlord wrote:Simms was too flippant to feel like he was properly The Master. Yes, I know Timelords do have personality changes between regenerations and he had more than enough reason to be exuberant, but I do hope he settles down into a more stylish and restrained mastery of evil.

Ahem ...

I don't think.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-06-19 06:32am

I kinda of liked the bit where Simms' Master laughs manically in the TARDIS control room and he seemed punchably smug in the press conference he was holding from the trailer. But we have to wait and see what he's really like in next weeks episode - if he stays hyperactive not unlike Tennant, he would seem more like a cosmic trickster rather than a bitter Machiavellian loony (like Jacobi appeared to be).

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-06-19 06:43am

Jacobi was great as the Master, even if it was for only five minutes. Fearless, ruthless, cunning, and possessing an irresistible will.

And I'm going to have to heed my own words and judge the upcoming episodes after I've seen them, but if Vympel keeps that up he's going to make me cry.

(even if he drops a word here and there).

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2007-06-19 06:48am

Sorry about quoting the pic but that ring on his right hand looks kinda like a plot device to me. Or is that just a ring that the old master had as well?

And apparently he's married.

Vympel wrote: