Gears of War Locust vs. Star Wars Imperial ground forces

[Ritterin Sophia]

Berserkers are immune to anything up to an E-Web because they can take explosives and not wince in pain, yet require a large satellite-based weapon just to weaken.

You lying little cockgoblin, it didn't only weaken them it killed them, you can't fire the HoD through stone masonry and here you're speaking of it as if it were a C&C Particle or Ion Cannon.

[PeZook]

On the HoD: It's nice how he assumes it must be an incredibly powerful weapon just because it's satellite based. By this logic, the M2 mounted on a Hummer must be a more powerful weapon than the tripod-mounted M2, because it's on a vehicle.

It's entirely possible (and in fact supported by the game, isn't it?) that the Hammer Of Dawn serves the role of a glorified sniper that can support infantry across an entire hemisphere, and is not a very powerful weapon at all.

[Stark]

The kind you use in the games isn't very impressive. As I've said, it can't penetrate buildings - even with glass roofs - nor can it be used when nemacyst (a variety of flying Locust) are inking the sky with a dark discharge of goo. In 2 of 3 berserker fights, the berserker's own stupidity is the only way to kill it - either by knocking down the glass or opening doors so you can lead it outside.

The Hammer kills berserkers in a few sustained hits, but when the berserker is glowing it IS then vulnerable to smallarms fire.

I believe the Hammer is a vast network of satellites, rather than only a few. The network can apparently be used as a strategic weapon, to destroy cities etc, but the form seen in the game is nowhere near that powerful. I believe after the Locust world-wide surprise attack, the humans destroyed much of their civilization to prevent the Locust using it (and forcing them to stay underground as much as possible) while retreating to areas they couldn't tunnel under due to geological formations.

I hope we all enjoy his statement that 'taking nades without wincing in pain = requires E-Web to kill'.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Damn lack of an edit. Anyhow, PaZook, the only quantification for the Hammerburst Assault Rifle is that it fires rounds the size of a pepperoni stick in diameter and one and four-tenths the length, they also gouge holes about the size of your fist out of masonry. So basically HMG ammunition is now standard issue. As most of the combat takes place at a maximum of 100 yards, it's definite range is unknown, but by 100 yds it's pretty inaccurate due to some really horrible recoil.

Locust durability-wise aren't nearly as impressive, a grub would drop to a single bullet in the head, a boomer perhaps if it got lucky about a quarter-dozen.

As for Emergence Holes, I really doubt they'd be as useful against the Empire as they were the Seran humans, as the Empire uses something much stronger than concrete.

[Ritterin Sophia]

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Both you and I know it shouldn't require the HoD to take out the Berserkers, however, he's claiming that game mechanics are the ultimate source, so it would appear the HoD can't even cut through an old stone building.

[Stark]

Er, what? The Hammerburst magazine is perhaps 20cm long. It sure as fuck doesn't have 80 pepperoni sticks in it. Do you mean the troika machinegun?

[PeZook]

Damn lack of an edit. Anyhow, PaZook, the only quantification for the Hammerburst Assault Rifle is that it fires rounds the size of a pepperoni stick in diameter and one and four-tenths the length, they also gouge holes about the size of your fist out of masonry. So basically HMG ammunition is now standard issue. As most of the combat takes place at a maximum of 100 yards, it's definite range is unknown, but by 100 yds it's pretty inaccurate due to some really horrible recoil.

Wow, that's pretty concrete. Man. Pepperoni sticks. Just wow.

From pictures, it's obviously a large-caliber rifle. It's hard to judge the caliber without a good shot of the barrel, but it's entirely possible it's as large as 12-15mm. Are locust grubs larger than humans? It they are, then the caliber is probably closer to 15mm.

If I may present pictorial evidence:
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The rounds are stubby and round-nosed. They don't seem much longer than assault rifle rounds, but exact scaling is impossible. The magazine isn't wider than the Grub's hand, though, which puts the rounds at around 50-60mm lenghtwise.

Meaning that it's a heavy ball round of absurdly high caliber. Performance of such a rifle would be consisten with what you wrote: they would easily punch large holes in brick (it depends on the exact material, though), loose energy fast and the recoil would make the rifle unusueable beyond a few dozen to a hundred meters.

The rounded nose would make it useless for penetrating stormie armor, though. Also, the iron sights on the thing are really fucking horrible.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Wow, that's pretty concrete. Man. Pepperoni sticks. Just wow.

OH I'm sorry, I'm not a fucking master of quantifications, I gave you all I knew, sorry, I'll remember to stick my head up my ass the next time you need to know something.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Er, what? The Hammerburst magazine is perhaps 20cm long. It sure as fuck doesn't have 80 pepperoni sticks in it. Do you mean the troika machinegun?

Not length, diameter, and that's all I could think of since I'm not good with size and distance estimates, I used something everyone was familiar with.

[PeZook]

Wow, that's pretty concrete. Man. Pepperoni sticks. Just wow.

OH I'm sorry, I'm not a fucking master of quantifications, I gave you all I knew, sorry, I'll remember to stick my head up my ass the next time you need to know something.

Relax, I was just poking fun at the fact that there's something like a million different brands of pepperoni sticks on the market, so it's not really a quantification at all. And as far as firearms are concerned, a difference of 20mm in lenght of the cartridge will completely change the gun's characteristics. The "can blow fist-sized chunks off masonry" bit was much more useful than the pepperoni thing.

[Stark]

That's hilarious. The gun has 80-round mags, then they go and make stupid renders like that. Poor old consistency...

The Hammerburst one of the few guns that are clearly alien: the Locust use a large amount of COG weapons, particularly shotguns and sniper rifles. Since they live in caves, a short-ranged weapon would make sense to them. Hardly any of the GoW guns have stocks (I think just the sniper, actually) because everyone in the game is seven feet tall and built like a brick shithouse.

[PeZook]

That's hilarious. The gun has 80-round mags, then they go and make stupid renders like that. Poor old consistency...

The Hammerburst one of the few guns that are clearly alien: the Locust use a large amount of COG weapons, particularly shotguns and sniper rifles. Since they live in caves, a short-ranged weapon would make sense to them. Hardly any of the GoW guns have stocks (I think just the sniper, actually) because everyone in the game is seven feet tall and built like a brick shithouse.

80 round mags? Huh? What? How?

The only way I can see that working is if each bullet is actually some sort of metalstorm-esque cartridge, combining perhaps three complete rounds in one cartridge, fired electronically one after another. Which basically means the rounds are shorter and thus lower-powered than earlier estimated.

Or it's just a stupid, inconsistent render that can't be used for anything.

[Stark]

Well it depends, if you rate concept art above game stuff. The human rifle has 60-round mags, and it's similar depth to say a FAL mag but longer (perhaps a flat-helical layout, and is an oldscore 'fixed magazine body with opening floorplate into which ammo is placed' type). If you look at the Hammerburst render, even if you end the brass at the necking it still won't fit out the tiny ejection port visible on the side.

It's possibly worth noting that Hammerburst is a fixed 6-round burst gun. One squeeze, six rounds. Hold down, six rounds, pause, six rounds. Maybe it IS a multi-projectile bullet... except I think you can see brass flying out. I'll check later.

[Ghost Rider]

....yay another game cluster fuck.