STGOD: A Dead Art?

[Hawkwings]

I'm tempted to just say let this one go, it's too interesting. But then again, if they *were* accepted and the hegemony ship fired and Polish fighters launched and and and...

Sanity please?

[Starglider]

Thats a good question, mostly because at the same time Starglider posted a response in our treaty thread that, if valid, would make you and all other members itching to "avenge" our treaty members for a precieved injust attack.

I thought I'd take Dahak's attack and run with it. Frankly I probably should've lost the ship, but I decided they got lucky because I didn't want to destroy any ships before the game officially started. That post will be included in the retcon though.

If we do remove it we should probably make a 'retconed posts' thread, just to preserve them for the amusement of future readers.

[Bugsby]

I think this one HAS to be retcon'd away. If this was just about Dahak and Starglider getting into a scrape, that would be fine. But the Polish have done a WHOLE lot in getting this thing organized, and allowing this incident to stand will of course reflect poorly on the Polish. But as Thirdfain points out, the envoy was accepted with every diplomatic formality in an earlier post. Our two metagamers who suddenly gained amazing knowledge of the Nitram incident also cited this scuffle as a reason for not wanting to enter the Coalition. So here we have an example of Thirdfain suffering for something that he EXPRESSLY did not do.

The only way this should be allowed to stand is if everyone were to make an OOC agreement that any fallout for this would fall directly on the shoulders of Dahak - a necessary agreement because, IRL, it would be the Polish catching just as much hell. And Thirdfain doesn't deserve that - he covered his bases.

[Thirdfain]

Hmmm. The usual way we approach these things is simple- it was Dahak and Starglider's duty to read posts carefully, so continuity goes as it has so far- the Spacebats WERE welcomed to the conference, and Dahak opened fire anyways. So, in other words, this is some BAD shit for the Hegemony of the Heavens. Not only have they ticked off a nonhuman nation with a significant defense alliance behind it, but they've also violated a vessel under Polish diplomatic protection, which I'm pretty sure is an act of war.

[Crossroads Inc.]

I would like to make a motion to have ALL related posts of this incident put into a seperat thread before they are deleted or retconned, mostly to show everyone else what "Almost" happend as well as show how NOT to act during tense diplomatic moments...

[Acidburns]

Indeed, the Poles would be forced to act in order to keep face. How close are we to having mods appointed?

[Bugsby]

I would like to make a motion to have ALL related posts of this incident put into a seperat thread before they are deleted or retconned, mostly to show everyone else what "Almost" happend as well as show how NOT to act during tense diplomatic moments...

No need. The problem with this incident isn't that it was a stupid thing to do during a tense diplomatic moment (it may have been that, but such incidents make STGODs fun!). The issue is that the incident started as a direct result of something that actually didn't happen, as the matter had been settled by Thirdfain several posts previous.

[Thirdfain]

Indeed, the Poles would be forced to act in order to keep face. How close are we to having mods appointed?

The mod thread has been open forever, and a lot of players have voted. I'd feel comfortable tallying the votes right now, if no one had any problems with that...

[Dahak]

Hmmm. The usual way we approach these things is simple- it was Dahak and Starglider's duty to read posts carefully, so continuity goes as it has so far- the Spacebats WERE welcomed to the conference, and Dahak opened fire anyways. So, in other words, this is some BAD shit for the Hegemony of the Heavens. Not only have they ticked off a nonhuman nation with a significant defense alliance behind it, but they've also violated a vessel under Polish diplomatic protection, which I'm pretty sure is an act of war.

I didn't read it because it simply was just a minor sentence in a post that did deal with something else entirely (which did not interest me because it was between you and someone else). Since there was no separation to show something completely else was going on, and Starglider didn't retract his PM, I reacted. I apologise for this, but I will not take the sword for something that could not have happened in any chronologial order given the other posts.

[Starglider]

Hmmm. The usual way we approach these things is simple- it was Dahak and Starglider's duty to read posts carefully, so continuity goes as it has so far- the Spacebats WERE welcomed to the conference, and Dahak opened fire anyways.

Well, that's not too bad in RP terms, in that it's entirely plausible that the Kiroter'nah would displace more personnel down, and I suppose there could be a communications failure that prevented that particular trigger-happy commander from hearing about it. It is unfortunate in that I had more of an obligation to pay attention to your post than Dahak, since it was my damn species. So really it is my fault. But I was trying to keep on top of updating the OOB summary because the game was about to start, and I missed it, plus I just did not expect Dahak to take such a radical action before the game started. But no point bickering I suppose, if you are keeping the attack I can just RP accepting the apology and shifting blame internally onto my captain to try and prevent the xenophobes getting any more power.

[Thirdfain]

I didn't read it because it simply was just a minor sentence in a post that did deal with something else entirely (which did not interest me because it was between you and someone else). Since there was no separation to show something completely else was going on, and Starglider didn't retract his PM, I reacted. I apologise for this, but I will not take the sword for something that could not have happened in any chronologial order given the other posts.

The minorness of the phrase is not important- every in-game post is just as canon. Moreover, since you'd already welcomed his ship in system and he'd already posted teleporting his men planetside, my post was in response to that.

Well, that's not too bad in RP terms, in that it's entirely plausible that the Kiroter'nah would displace more personnel down, and I suppose there could be a communications failure that prevented that particular trigger-happy commander from hearing about it. It is unfortunate in that I had more of an obligation to pay attention to your post than Dahak, since it was my damn species. So really it is my fault. But I was trying to keep on top of updating the OOB summary because the game was about to start, and I missed it, plus I just did not expect Dahak to take such a radical action before the game started. But no point bickering I suppose, I can just RP accepting the apology and shifting blame internally onto my captain to try and prevent the xenophobes getting any more power.

IT's OK, mistakes happen... I'd like to jsut run with what's happened thus far, with the understanding that the Kiroter'nah were under Polish diplomatic protection at the time of the incident, and that there were already Kiroter'nah delegates at the conference.

[Bugsby]

I just did a quick tally of votes on the mod thread. Thirdfain and Nitram are in - Nitram unanimously, Thirdfain almost unanimous. The problem is over the third mod. Hotfoot and Imperial Overlord have an even number of votes (14 each) by my tally, although that could be wrong, as people have posted multiple times in that thread, and I might have counted votes twice, mistaking someone's general suggestion for an actual vote, then counting it again at the actual vote...

Anyone else want to take another look at those numbers?

And is two mods enough to get the game thread started with?

And since Thirdfain is involved in this incident indirectly, and Nitram is the only other confrimed mod, I'd say final adjudication goes to Nitram.

[Dahak]

I didn't read it because it simply was just a minor sentence in a post that did deal with something else entirely (which did not interest me because it was between you and someone else). Since there was no separation to show something completely else was going on, and Starglider didn't retract his PM, I reacted. I apologise for this, but I will not take the sword for something that could not have happened in any chronologial order given the other posts.

The minorness of the phrase is not important- every in-game post is just as canon. Moreover, since you'd already welcomed his ship in system and he'd already posted teleporting his men planetside, my post was in response to that.

Your phrase was attached to a post that was a direct conversation with Lady Diamat, and cleary not directed at me or of no importance. Which means that I did not read on because it was between you and Lady Diamat-character. And that is important for me.

Well, that's not too bad in RP terms, in that it's entirely plausible that the Kiroter'nah would displace more personnel down, and I suppose there could be a communications failure that prevented that particular trigger-happy commander from hearing about it. It is unfortunate in that I had more of an obligation to pay attention to your post than Dahak, since it was my damn species. So really it is my fault. But I was trying to keep on top of updating the OOB summary because the game was about to start, and I missed it, plus I just did not expect Dahak to take such a radical action before the game started. But no point bickering I suppose, I can just RP accepting the apology and shifting blame internally onto my captain to try and prevent the xenophobes getting any more power.

IT's OK, mistakes happen... I'd like to jsut run with what's happened thus far, with the understanding that the Kiroter'nah were under Polish diplomatic protection at the time of the incident, and that there were already Kiroter'nah delegates at the conference.

And if that was so, then neither of this would have happened. I do not shoot ships that already have been accepted. Fact.

[Starglider]

IT's OK, mistakes happen... I'd like to jsut run with what's happened thus far, with the understanding that the Kiroter'nah were under Polish diplomatic protection at the time of the incident, and that there were already Kiroter'nah delegates at the conference.

Ok, I will retcon in another couple of junior (Z-list) diplomats who got displaced down first to check on procedure in advance. If you need me to rewrite the post where I respond to being tractored let me know. I will drop the controversial minelayer deployment (if that's ok), as Dahak didn't approve of it, exactly what those ships can do can be worked out later.

[Thirdfain]

Your phrase was attached to a post that was a direct conversation with Lady Diamat, and cleary not directed at me or of no importance. Which means that I did not read on because it was between you and Lady Diamat-character. And that is important for me.

The conversation was a public one, spoken aloud in the conference chamber. Everyone there should have read it.

And if that was so, then neither of this would have happened. I do not shoot ships that already have been accepted. Fact.

The STGOD precedent, most notably Darksider's actions in STGOD 1, where he demonstrated a weapon at an arms expo on a moon which turned out to be inhabited, lead to a horrible crushing war due to his misunderstanding of Sea Skimmer's post. Despite his mistake, the error was worked in to canon.

On this particular incident, Dahak, I think it will be the best for everyone if you just make an in-game apology, pay some small monetary compensation, and we all get on with life. There's no need to turn this into something requiring Nitram's attention.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Should I post my planned response to the incident? Or will there not "be" an incident soon?

[Bugsby]

Should I post my planned response to the incident? Or will there not "be" an incident soon?

Keep that post in storage until we have established canon.

[Dahak]

The STGOD precedent, most notably Darksider's actions in STGOD 1, where he demonstrated a weapon at an arms expo on a moon which turned out to be inhabited, lead to a horrible crushing war due to his misunderstanding of Sea Skimmer's post. Despite his mistake, the error was worked in to canon.

As I said, I will not take the sole reponsibility of something that is not my fault alone.
I will not work something into canon that could not have happened if everything is as has been said.
I could change it to an overreacting captain, targetting the ship without firing because of the sudden teleportation and some apologising.
But if you insist on the things as already written, shooting and all, I will have to leave this STGOD.

[Acidburns]

I have counted the votes and I counted:

Sir Nitram: 21
Thirdfain: 19
Imperial Overlord 17
Hotfoot: 11

[Thirdfain]

In that case, Dahak, I guess we are going to have to wait for SirNitram to show up, if for no other reason than I lack the authority to fiddle with posts.

[Starglider]

But if you insist on the things as already written, shooting and all, I will have to leave this STGOD.

If it's a choice between losing a few posts of RP and losing a key player we should dump the posts to a retconned thread.

That said, as I understand it even if Thirdfain's post hadn't included me, the firing on a ship due to teleporter use would've still caused an argument, so perhaps we need more detail on just what you can and can't do in Earth space.

[Crossroads Inc.]

I've posted, and then deleted twice in the main thread already based upon whats being said here... I aint touching the thing anymore till we know one way or the other how this will play out.

[Starglider]

MRDOD, nice OOB (great names) but one slight mistake;

==Escorts:
Morgenstern-klasse Panzerzerstörer [30] [2.5 pt] [90]:

I assumed you meant '3 pt ship' when adding you to the summary.

[Redleader34]

I was making a classic US style show of force, by testing the ship, but do I have to retcon my response?

[Dark Hellion]

Thanks for the mathcheck starglider, I got it fixed (shifted a couple of ship numbers). Don't worry, we will rebuild them, we have the technology. And I am officially gonna start doing crap in game, so fear my mighty junkyard religious fanatic robots.... of DOOOOOM!