"World War Hulk" - Commentary and Discussion

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-06-15 01:47pm

TheDarkling wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote: I thought she-hulk married jameson the werewolf.....
Stargod and yes she did.

However she was under the influence of Eros' emotion control at the time (which had been mimicked by Awesome Andy), once released from it she decided she wanted an annulment although I don't believe they have actually gotten one yet (She Hulk got drafted the same day she found out so she may not have had time to start proceedings).

damn I was looking forward to green furred puppies....

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-20 08:26pm

So the next mas of WWH related material hit stores today.. anyone take a look? Some new developments, some interesting, some making me want to yell 'DICK!' at the comic.

Tony's rationale for not asking Bruce if he wanted to be shot off to the nice peaceful little planet? Hey might have said no. Yep that does kinda render bothering to ask useless if you're not planning to give him a choice anyway. This logic never worked with my parents when I was a kid so I'm wondering why it seems to be expected to work now? On the other hand Tony seems convinced he's doing what's right and best for people.. even if he's doing it in a way that reminds me rather a lot like that of Mangaverse Dr. Doom or Red Son superman.

Hulk has more friends than I thought.. though some of them appear a bit on the nutty side, and Herc had to take a beating to get the point across (not to mention our Greek buddy has an e-mail address and feels pretty strongly for the big green king).

Cho.. I'm thinking Amadeus is getting set up for a fall since despite all his smarts the writers have seen fit to remind us on more than one occasion that he's a teenager.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-06-20 09:09pm

Flagg wrote:Artwork is pretty shitty.

John Romita Jr. does great art.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2007-06-20 09:25pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Flagg wrote:Artwork is pretty shitty.
John Romita Jr. does great art.

The current (interior) art in She-Hulk is awful, which I assume is what Flagg was talking about.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-06-23 01:14am

SylasGaunt wrote:Cho.. I'm thinking Amadeus is getting set up for a fall since despite all his smarts the writers have seen fit to remind us on more than one occasion that he's a teenager.

From my reading so far, feats-wise I've just seen messing with the SHIELD craft, electronics outmaneuvering of Reed Richards, hacking financial accounts and buying a craft for him, Hercules and Warren Worthington III to try and (unsuccessfully) bring in Namor... although Namora came along, that wasn't what was intended, and I think for some reason that Cho's missing something, if only because he didn't convince Namor.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2007-06-23 01:30am

I've got the WWH #1 and WWH Incredible Hulk 106 and I find that everyone seemed childish. Everyone needs some spanking.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2007-06-23 01:31am

I think Amadeus is too naive and full of himself. Namor's got a point. Though it's hard not to sympathize with the Hulk.

From what I understand the destruction of Sakaar was due to the ship exploding by accident. But, isn't that what the Hulk also did? He killed people, but it seems to be mostly unintentional in terms of civilian casualties. So, given that, and the fact that Iron Man and company have put others at risk with their creations, Ultron, etc., shouldn't they also blast themselves into space? The Hulk may have killed what, hundreds, thousands? How many were on that planet when it was destroyed? A million? More? Unintended, but weren't the Hulk's victims also?

If anything, I think they should own up to being hypocrites.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-06-23 02:02pm

Enigma wrote:I've got the WWH #1 and WWH Incredible Hulk 106 and I find that everyone seemed childish. Everyone needs some spanking.

I actually rooted for Iron Man when he owned up bluntly to Hulk's accusation. Pity that he then wasted his "badass by wrongness" credibility by using an attack so likely to give Hulk a flashback in the event he survived, the airstrike...

neoolong wrote:I think Amadeus is too naive and full of himself. Namor's got a point. Though it's hard not to sympathize with the Hulk.

Interestingly to me, if I recall correctly, wasn't Amadeus actually unaware of Hercules and Namora's own personal parallels to Hulk's situation? (Since I see no hint that Amadeus had intended to recruit Namora.)

If the writers are insincere in "seventh smartest in the world," then they're doing their job in my eyes, as Amadeus Cho definitely came off to me like a "whiz kid" with tricks (my previous post having all those I recall) than as, well, really impressive.

From what I understand the destruction of Sakaar was due to the ship exploding by accident. But, isn't that what the Hulk also did? He killed people, but it seems to be mostly unintentional in terms of civilian casualties. So, given that, and the fact that Iron Man and company have put others at risk with their creations, Ultron, etc., shouldn't they also blast themselves into space?

Henry Pym's "riding the bomb" scene was his reaction, but I don't know if that counts since he survived.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-23 04:34pm

neoolong wrote: From what I understand the destruction of Sakaar was due to the ship exploding by accident. But, isn't that what the Hulk also did? He killed people, but it seems to be mostly unintentional in terms of civilian casualties. So, given that, and the fact that Iron Man and company have put others at risk with their creations, Ultron, etc., shouldn't they also blast themselves into space? The Hulk may have killed what, hundreds, thousands? How many were on that planet when it was destroyed? A million? More? Unintended, but weren't the Hulk's victims also?

If anything, I think they should own up to being hypocrites.

IIRC the thing that finally tipped it over was Hulk killing 30 some odd people in a rampage in vegas.. only this is coming from Tony, a guy who tampered with the minds of the entire planet and who apparently shot down a plane with 200 civvies on baord (though that's only something I've heard about and I don't know where it's from).

As for the Sakaar incident we don't know what caused it. Could have been an accident, design flaw, damage from the crash, possibly sabotage by two of Hulk's warbound, or someone might have installed a failsafe to make sure Bruce never got off the planet.. I hate to think of that kind of behavior from heroes but when Tony starts performing illegal human experimentation on people and rapes the constitution as he pleases it's hard to dismiss the possibility.

The Cooler King · Post by **The Cooler King** » 2007-06-23 04:43pm

SylasGaunt wrote:IIRC the thing that finally tipped it over was Hulk killing 30 some odd people in a rampage in vegas.. only this is coming from Tony, a guy who tampered with the minds of the entire planet and who apparently shot down a plane with 200 civvies on baord (though that's only something I've heard about and I don't know where it's from).

That was from the Iron Man "Execute Program" storyline. He was being mentally taken over by the son of the man who helped him create the original armor, and pushed into killing everyone responsible for the good professor's death. One of those men was on an airliner, so he had Tony fly out and blast the plane in midair, no matter the two hundred innocent people onboard.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2007-06-23 04:44pm

You know what I'd like to see at the end of World War Hulk?

Iron Man and Hulk are facing each other down, a ruined landscape around them. Iron Man is clearly losing, and so in the last few frames on the final page, he goes to flee.

However, a hand reaches out and holds him to the ground. He turns to see who it is...

Final Page; Iron Man is stuck between the Incredible Hulk, and a very upset (and real) Thor.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2007-06-23 05:10pm

From issue 106, how much of a threat is Sentry to Hulk?

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2007-06-23 05:11pm

Enigma wrote:From issue 106, how much of a threat is Sentry to Hulk?

Sorry not 106 but WWH#1.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-24 06:05pm

The Cooler King wrote: That was from the Iron Man "Execute Program" storyline. He was being mentally taken over by the son of the man who helped him create the original armor, and pushed into killing everyone responsible for the good professor's death. One of those men was on an airliner, so he had Tony fly out and blast the plane in midair, no matter the two hundred innocent people onboard.

Wait so Tony's thought processes weren't the clearest and it resulted in innocent deaths? Shoot him into space!

Of course in my opinion the whole thing with him invading the minds of the entire planet to benefit himself alone qualifies him for being shot off planet.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-25 02:07am

Enigma wrote:From issue 106, how much of a threat is Sentry to Hulk?

Considering Sentry commonly throws people into the sun when they annoy him...very.

I mean, the Hulk can get as angry as he wants, but if he's flying into the sun it won't do him much good.

Anyway, doesn't Tony's situation mimick the Hulk's? IIRC didn't the Hulk get hit by a gamma bomb or something to make him go crazy and kill 30-something people in Vegas? He wasn't in his right mind; just like Tony when he blew up the plane.

Anyway, I don't know who I want to see kill Stark more; Peter "If anything happens to my family because I unmask, you'll pay" Parker, Bucky/Winter Soldier, Namor, Hulk, or She-Hulk.

Isn't pretty much half the Marvel U out to kill Tony now?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-25 02:09am

Solauren wrote:You know what I'd like to see at the end of World War Hulk?

Iron Man and Hulk are facing each other down, a ruined landscape around them. Iron Man is clearly losing, and so in the last few frames on the final page, he goes to flee.

However, a hand reaches out and holds him to the ground. He turns to see who it is...

Final Page; Iron Man is stuck between the Incredible Hulk, and a very upset (and real) Thor.

What happens in the next issue, then?

Twenty pages of Iron Man getting pounded?

Heh, I want to see what'll happen with the Sentry. The guy has some mental issues and he views the Hulk as his friend. If Tony sends him after the Hulk and Hulk actually stops and tells Sentry what Tony did to him, is it possible Sentry could even join him? If the Sentry decides Tony is manipulating him, Tony is dead.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-27 12:30am

Just got the new Incredible Hulk. Anyone get the impression that Amadeus could be manipulating everyone, and his true motives are not to help the Hulk? Consider that he blames SHIELD for the death of his parents. Maybe he just wants to hurt SHIELD, and considers helping the Hulk the best way to do this?

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-06-27 08:14am

Praxis wrote:
Enigma wrote:From issue 106, how much of a threat is Sentry to Hulk?
Considering Sentry commonly throws people into the sun when they annoy him...very.

I mean, the Hulk can get as angry as he wants, but if he's flying into the sun it won't do him much good.

It was mentioned in his first miniseries IIRC that he had fought Galactus to a standstill at one point in the past. Hulk's a lot of things, but I don't think he can throw down with Galactus.

That said, it's not clear to what extent Sentry will be taking part in WWH. After Reed and Stark asked for his help he said he would like " a word" with Tony, then he was nowhere to be seen when Hulk showed up.
Although one of the covers for Frontline shows him flying full pelt at Hulk, so who knows.

Praxis wrote:
Anyway, I don't know who I want to see kill Stark more; Peter "If anything happens to my family because I unmask, you'll pay" Parker, Bucky/Winter Soldier, Namor, Hulk, or She-Hulk.

Isn't pretty much half the Marvel U out to kill Tony now?

Namor isn't after Stark, and Bucky only wants to get him because he mistakenly believes he was responsible for Captain America's assassination.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-27 06:35pm

Namor isn't after Stark, and Bucky only wants to get him because he mistakenly believes he was responsible for Captain America's assassination.

Namor highly respected Captain America and is buddy-buddy with Thor and nearly killed Iron Man trying to prevent him from shooting the Hulk off the planet.

He'd side against Tony in a heartbeat given the proper circumstances.

Bucky would be right. Tony was in charge of SHIELD, and SHIELD paraded Captain America in front of the courthouse in plain view of snipers.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-06-27 06:38pm

I finally got my copy of Iron Man this week, and it was pretty good.

Some people were complaining it was basically a rehash of WWH #1 but I liked seeing Tony's perspective.

Frontline was leagues better than any of the CW:FL issues.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-06-28 12:39pm

IH107 made the Hulk seem more sympathetic at the end after Hercules took his beating. If the Hulk can start distinguishing between those that wronged him, those that are his friends, and those that are just innocent bystanders, then I'd wholeheartedly root for him to smash Stark into dust.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-06-29 03:26pm

The WWH X-men tie in shows the Hulk actually learned something in that time meditating with his warbouind buddies.. he didn't start slapping the new X-men around until after he'd given them a warning, a warning given after they'd started assaulting him.

Oh and..

"Question. Can you still control them when they're in Connecticut?" *FLING!*

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-07-05 11:52am

Was Xavier involved with shooting the Hulk into space? I thought he was unconscious or something like that at the time.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-07-05 04:58pm

Jason wrote:Was Xavier involved with shooting the Hulk into space? I thought he was unconscious or something like that at the time.

He was MIA after that House of M stuff. Hulk wants to know which way he would have voted. The only reason he starts slapping the New X-men about is because they tried to stop him going to talk to Xavier.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-07-18 10:00pm

WWH: Hulk smash puny humans.

Spoilerish for this weeks tie ins.

Did he ever, I think half the MU queued up to get hit in the face by the Hulk this week, the X-men, Juggernaut, The FF, the Avengers (both the real set and Tony's pretenders), Ghost Rider, She Hulk and Sampson with the Initiative + US army coming up for the next round.

It was a thing of beauty to see how he dealt with Richards.

At the current rate the Hulk is going to have to sit down and monologue for two issues because there isn't going to be anybody left capable of standing up past the mid point of issue three.