The Star Wars galaxy "devistated" by transporters

[chitoryu12]

Star Wars blasters are described as basically lasers in the role playing guides. In the Trek Episodes, Picard mentions that "lasers won't even penetrate [their] navigation shields" which are on full time to deflect space debris. Given that info, the star wars universe can't inflict any damage to the Enterprise. You would have to count on a very lucky hit from the slow Death Star. Enterprise could "stick and move" with repeated faster than light travel.

Actual firepower combined with tactical point-to-point teleportation would devistate the entire Star Wars universe. The Enterprise's battlefield reconnaisance and sensors would anticipate any attack. Star Trek wins, hands down.

(Made up of two YouTube posts)

We're getting the bottom of the barrel these days. Same shit, different bastard.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Give me a link to the comment section this is in please.

[chitoryu12]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4#3glejL4lQn4

Try that. It's that really old video of the Enterprise vs. a fleet of Star Destroyers and the Death Star, yet somehow survives and actually destroys an SSD.

[chitoryu12]

Ghetto edit: It was the wrong link. That's the OTHER Star Wars vs. Star Trek video. This one is original.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MgXaC-Eni ... ed&search=.

[Darth Wong]

I love the way Trek fanboys invariably describe Trek space and ground combat that looks absolutely nothing like the way it is actually depicted in the show. All these tactics that they have available to them, and they never use them! I guess they're just saving up all their good moves for the day when the Empire invades.

[Jericho Kross]

Last Bastion is much better than that crap.
Will we be ever rid of these dip shit trekkie retards?

[Connor MacLeod]

I love the way Trek fanboys invariably describe Trek space and ground combat that looks absolutely nothing like the way it is actually depicted in the show. All these tactics that they have available to them, and they never use them! I guess they're just saving up all their good moves for the day when the Empire invades.

Nowadays a grerat deal of ST "Tactics (and alot of like minded fanboys in other franchises) center around neat technobabble tricks and solutions rather than analysis or compariosn of capabilities. If I had a nickel for every fanboy who kept mentioning how "Lost tech' in Trek would somehow be their ace in the whole in the SW vs ST debate, I'd be alot richer than i am now

[OmegaGuy]

That post reminds me of creationists who say "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

[MagnusTheReD]

Nowadays a grerat deal of ST "Tactics (and alot of like minded fanboys in other franchises) center around neat technobabble tricks and solutions rather than analysis or compariosn of capabilities.

I wonder how would they react if we tell them that Ewoks are more tactically competent than all Alpha and Beta quadrant races combined?
I think they might experience a stroke...

[Darth Wong]

I love the way Trek fanboys invariably describe Trek space and ground combat that looks absolutely nothing like the way it is actually depicted in the show. All these tactics that they have available to them, and they never use them! I guess they're just saving up all their good moves for the day when the Empire invades.

Nowadays a grerat deal of ST "Tactics (and alot of like minded fanboys in other franchises) center around neat technobabble tricks and solutions rather than analysis or compariosn of capabilities. If I had a nickel for every fanboy who kept mentioning how "Lost tech' in Trek would somehow be their ace in the whole in the SW vs ST debate, I'd be alot richer than i am now

My favourite Trekkie fanboy tactic is to say that these super-tactics aren't used in the show because the other side can use them too. As if real-life militaries avoid using any tactics that are also available to the other side

It would be interesting if someone created a 3D movie showing what Trek combat would look like if the ships actually behaved according to fanboy wishes: flashing by each other at warp speed, fighting at hundreds of thousands of kilometres range, using transporters to snatch pieces of each others' hull away, etc. The huge contrast between such a movie and the way combat is actually written in the show would drive the point home quite nicely. Hell, the very idea of verbally giving the order to fire would be preposterous, because you would need to time your firings to the millisecond so the entire battle would have to be computer-controlled.

[PeZook]

I always repeat that: The fanboy analysis of an SW vs. ST conflict can easily be turned into a following analogy:

The Reich vs. the Allies

"German Panzers would be able to destroy any Allied tank deployed at the front line. Jet fighters can make short work of any allied bombers, and since their Enigma machine is impossible to crack, they would enjoy total information security. Germany wins in a year, hands down." - a discussion of a possible conflict between Germany and the Allies, Berlin grade school, 1938

Funny how the above is considered ridiculous, and yet a trekkie fanboy whose analysis is just as shallow gets to try and seriously argue his side.

[(name here)]

the problem with that analogy is that unlike SWvsST, the germans did have superior tech, to the point where Shermans couldn't damage tiger tanks in a frontal assault. jet fighters were far superior, and the enigma code was only cracked because of the capture of codebooks, technology that wasn't existant at the start of the war, and the fact that the next days encryption was broadcast at the end of the day. The allies had a jump on radar, better propeller planes, and more production. the last advantage was the most important, and was decisve. in SWvsST the Empire has every one of the above advantages, and the trekkies are making up their advantages.

[Resinence]

Well, the trekkies can have the "jet fighter" part, the me262 had a nasty tendency to violently explode even when not in combat.

[PeZook]

the problem with that analogy is that unlike SWvsST, the germans did have superior tech, to the point where Shermans couldn't damage tiger tanks in a frontal assault. jet fighters were far superior, and the enigma code was only cracked because of the capture of codebooks, technology that wasn't existant at the start of the war, and the fact that the next days encryption was broadcast at the end of the day. The allies had a jump on radar, better propeller planes, and more production. the last advantage was the most important, and was decisve. in SWvsST the Empire has every one of the above advantages, and the trekkies are making up their advantages.

You missed the point. The analysis presented both by the Trekkie and the hypothetical Hitler fanboy concentrates on cool techs, one-trick ponies and "awesome" inventions, listing them one after another and "concluding" (or, rather, stating as fact) that all of that = Germany wins.

In other words, it manages to miss all the important stuff. The Trekkie misses the fact SW has technology millenia ahead of anything in ST (the hyperdrive, powerful weapons, mind-boggling indutrial capacity), while the Hitler Fanboy manages to miss all the important warmaking factors (Industry, terrain, organization, will to fight, political reality) and weigh them properly.

[Lord Revan]

Well, the trekkies can have the "jet fighter" part, the me262 had a nasty tendency to violently explode even when not in combat.

Well you notice clear difference in trekkie fanfics and fanfilms and such and our similar stories, while we try to make both sides intresting and add drama (and sometimes humor) to the stories no matter how stacked the odds are on the favor of one (and there's scifi unverses that make SW look conservative by comparission), the (rabid) trekkies use their stories as just another argument (which leads those stories to be extreemly boring as there no drama what so ever (the trek side just never gets into any real danger) and calling the chracters shallow is an major understatement).

[Ritterin Sophia]

Well, the trekkies can have the "jet fighter" part, the me262 had a nasty tendency to violently explode even when not in combat.

They already have the same engines, they just call them Warp Cores.

[Darth Servo]

Star Wars blasters are described as basically lasers in the role playing guides. In the Trek Episodes, Picard mentions that "lasers won't even penetrate [their] navigation shields" which are on full time to deflect space debris. Given that info, the star wars universe can't inflict any damage to the Enterprise. You would have to count on a very lucky hit from the slow Death Star. Enterprise could "stick and move" with repeated faster than light travel.

Actual firepower combined with tactical point-to-point teleportation would devistate the entire Star Wars universe. The Enterprise's battlefield reconnaisance and sensors would anticipate any attack. Star Trek wins, hands down.

(Made up of two YouTube posts)

We're getting the bottom of the barrel these days. Same shit, different bastard.

You know, at least G. Kennedy was consistant with his insistance of "lasers can't hurt trek ships" stupidity, realizing that it would apply to the Death Star just as much. Stupid like a creationist is consistant but consistant none the less.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4#3glejL4lQn4

Try that. It's that really old video of the Enterprise vs. a fleet of Star Destroyers and the Death Star, yet somehow survives and actually destroys an SSD.

I love that video. I think it was in the comments section for a video like this that some idiot thought the Ent-E would defeat an ISD in minutes because he thought an ISD didn't have shields

[brianeyci]

I just watched the "nerd's fantasy", the one with ground combat and all I have to say is, it's not that bad at all. It's not about Star Trek vs Star Wars more than a retarded nerd who has to get laid. They got a whole bunch of real live actors together, and even got a Worf into all his makeup and someone who looks like a parody of Riker.

"Next time you fantasize about something... try fantasizing about women."

I'm going to say one of those videos has little to do with Star Trek vs Star Wars at all. They didn't even get the colors of the phasers right and made fun of the guy's hemroids. Yeah Star Trek wins, but big deal. They didn't fight any named characters like Vader or any Jedi. They didn't fight any armor. It's clear Riker won because the nerd wanted him to. "It seems unlikely he will fend off the entire empire with one old style hand phaser, but it is his fantasy" or in other words writer's fiat. Then the nerd goes around and kills a whole bunch of stormtroopers. The entire thing's one fat joke.

And Darth Servo, I don't see the point of you going in there and picking fights with people who are not familiar with the Star Trek versus Star Wars debate at all. I just give people the link to Star Trek versus Star Wars in Five Minutes on Mike's site and it's over. Are the pickings so slim that the "ins" must resort to picking on the "outs" of the hobby? Just give them the link and it's over. There's obviously a pattern where people who aren't familiar with the whole debate rehash the old stuff, but that doesn't mean they're Trektards, just that they're misinformed.

Though I have to admit that laser line is pretty fucking stupid. Every time I hear it I wonder why certain so-called "trek" fans cherry pick information and take Picard's argument to mean immune to lasers, when the Borg used a cutting laser and ripped Enterprise a new one.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Um, Brian, perhaps you just didn't notice but YT doesn't allow linking in comment sections.

[brianeyci]

Um, Brian, perhaps you just didn't notice but YT doesn't allow linking in comment sections.

That's irrelevant and doesn't answer the main point. You can tell him to google Star Trek versus Star Wars in Five Minutes and he'll get it even if you can't hard link in Youtube. Don't tell me that technical limitations prevent knowing when and where to pick fights, and more importantly who to pick fights with. That's bullshit.

I can't imagine a more annoying thing than a group of Star Trek fans for the first time imagining what it would be like to fight Star Wars (or anything else), then a self-proclaimed Internet debator coming in and saying a whole bunch of shit, in a disrespectful tone, because he thinks those Trek fans to be Trektards. Save yourself the trouble and don't debate especially in a video that's supposed to be a comedy and just mention Star Trek versus Star Wars in Five Minutes.

[chitoryu12]

We've hardly had an invasion of Trekkies. Until a real idiot comes to the board, one that requires ban polls, show trials, and possible titling and a visit to the Hall of Shame for extra measure, we need to keep up the practice.

[brianeyci]

Your life you do what you want on your time.

That said, I will say that for any intelligent man, debating Star Trek versus Star Wars is just a simple matter of showing the size (and mass) of the Death Star to the Enterprise-D. The Enders, Mikes, Macleods, all the heavy hitters, don't go to other boards to seek out "trektards" (I will quote it because sometimes you don't get a trektard and just a misinformed Trek fan) to slay and they're all in top shape and will continue to be forever because it's a piece of cake. If you seriously need to "practise" to "hone" your skills to debate Star Trek versus Star Wars, then you've got problems.

Any decent Star Trek fan could rip a trektard a new one. Outrageous Okana? Borg cutting laser. Transporters? Jamming. Mike is actually a Trek fan, all the Wars fans are Trek fans or they wouldn't know so many details about Trek.

[PeZook]

You know, Brianeyci has one hell of a point. What is this horseshit about "practie"? It's not like there are any new arguments in the debate popping up on fucking YouTube.

Just admit you like easy targets, and trekkies on YouTube are a ridiculously easy target.

[ColonialAdmiral]

Just admit you like easy targets, and trekkies on YouTube are a ridiculously easy target.

Probably because youtube isn't really set up as a good place for diolouge. Especially since the owner of the Utube site gets thousands of e-mails a day by youtube visitors with things like "Wheres the Fucking Videos!" Part of youtubes population isn't that bright.

An average fan might say something stupid on youtube, but most of the big fans are going to have their debates (Or rantings) on a dedicated site.

Plus the good guys can't lose, sheesh. That hasn't ever happended
Thats my 2 cents.