The Star Wars galaxy "devistated" by transporters

[Darth Wong]

No reason to bash someone for getting his jollies out of kicking trektards in the teeth. If that's what he enjoys, more power to him. It's not as if it does any harm, and frankly, I think most of the science posers in the world need a kick in the teeth now and then.

[PeZook]

No reason to bash someone for getting his jollies out of kicking trektards in the teeth. If that's what he enjoys, more power to him. It's not as if it does any harm, and frankly, I think most of the science posers in the world need a kick in the teeth now and then.

My problem is when people claim some bullshit reason for this,other than "I like kicking them in the teeth". Why not admit it? I like easy debating, too, since it's a nice feeling to know you're right. But let's not pretend it's so difficult that you need to practice it

[brianeyci]

Yes, there's nothing wrong.

But I would pick my targets better. A comedy where Worf is gay and they exagerrate Riker's beard is not the same as the ST-v-SWARS message board. Personally I would keep versus debating in the community, because try to bring it out into non-serious discussions about subjective taste is a losing fight. The real world plays by different rules, because a "versus" to them means subjective taste. Not that you can't win that either -- just mention Nemesis. "Heavy metal battlewagons beats luxury liners" is all you need to mention most of the time and mundanes get it.

[Darth Servo]

And Darth Servo, I don't see the point of you going in there and picking fights with people who are not familiar with the Star Trek versus Star Wars debate at all.

Why the hell does pointing out that a trekkie said something stupid constitute "picking a fight"?

There's obviously a pattern where people who aren't familiar with the whole debate rehash the old stuff, but that doesn't mean they're Trektards, just that they're misinformed.

Like there are a bunch of creationists out there who aren't complete idiots, just "misinformed"?

[Darth Servo]

No reason to bash someone for getting his jollies out of kicking trektards in the teeth. If that's what he enjoys, more power to him. It's not as if it does any harm, and frankly, I think most of the science posers in the world need a kick in the teeth now and then.

I'm not sure I'd call them "jollies" but like Mike, I have little tolerance for stupidity.

[Darth Servo]

Yes, there's nothing wrong.

But I would pick my targets better. A comedy where Worf is gay and they exagerrate Riker's beard is not the same as the ST-v-SWARS message board. Personally I would keep versus debating in the community, because try to bring it out into non-serious discussions about subjective taste is a losing fight. The real world plays by different rules, because a "versus" to them means subjective taste. Not that you can't win that either -- just mention Nemesis. "Heavy metal battlewagons beats luxury liners" is all you need to mention most of the time and mundanes get it.

Then why don't you tell that to those retards over there using pseudoscience to "prove" Trek would win, hmmmm?

[brianeyci]

Why the hell does pointing out that a trekkie said something stupid constitute "picking a fight"?

It is if the venue is not appropriate. You come to SDN you play by SDN rules, you go somewhere else and tone does matter. Going around and bothering Trekkies who made a comedy about Worf being gay and who made a movie making fun of a nerd who thinks Star Trek can beat Star Wars is to me the wrong place.

Like there are a bunch of creationists out there who aren't complete idiots, just "misinformed"?

Yes, there are. You know Mike's wife used to believe in The Bible, until Mike asked her to read it. How far do you think he would've got if he told her she was a "complete idiot" on their first date? (Maybe he did, but if so there's other creationists where this approach wouldn't have worked.)

If you want to get your "jollies kicking in other Trekkies teeth" then go ahead. Just don't expect your message to be heard at all if you completely ignore style. Style does matter, especially when approaching someone you've never met before.

[brianeyci]

I'm not sure I'd call them "jollies" but like Mike, I have little tolerance for stupidity.

Mike is honest, he kicks Trekkie ass for pleasure. That's what a jolly is. Why do you do it?

Then why don't you tell that to those retards over there using pseudoscience to "prove" Trek would win, hmmmm?

No need to lower yourself to the lowest common denominator. If you are polite and intelligent and they are unintelligent and polite, you will win for anybody who can see intelligence (and those are the only ones worth converting). Unless you want to kick their ass in for jollies and are not interested in conversion at all, and if so just admit it.

[Darth Servo]

Yes, there are. You know Mike's wife used to believe in The Bible, until Mike asked her to read it. How far do you think he would've got if he told her she was a "complete idiot" on their first date? (Maybe he did, but if so there's other creationists where this approach wouldn't have worked.)

A) I'm not looking to date/marry anyone on Youtube.

B) Being a Christain doesn't make one a creationist. I don't recall Mike ever saying Rebecca had been a creationist at any point in her adult life and I doubt he would have ever fallen in love with someone like that. I DO seem to recal Mike saying that she had already rejected her strict, conservative Menonite up-bringing in favor of more liberal branches of Christianty before the he had even met her.

[Darth Servo]

It is if the venue is not appropriate. You come to SDN you play by SDN rules, you go somewhere else and tone does matter. Going around and bothering Trekkies who made a comedy about Worf being gay and who made a movie making fun of a nerd who thinks Star Trek can beat Star Wars is to me the wrong place.

Exscept I'm not "bothering" them for making a parody video. I'm bothering them for saying something retarded. Do you see ANY of my comments there saying "what a crappy video" as opposed to "your reasons for thinking ST would win are wrong"

[brianeyci]

Do you see ANY of my comments there saying "what a crappy video" as opposed to "your reasons for thinking ST would win are wrong"

I skimmed through the comments and chitoryu12 who made all those comments to criticize the acting (or appears to.) And of course, the video is bad because Star Trek wins. Please. There's 64 pages and I'm not going to get into who started what first, but that's what happened in the later pages.

All I know is it appears you moved in to support him. The makers of the video are in that thread, and only OMalley (or whatever his name is) happens to think transporters are a big advantage. Big fucking whop, most people would think transporters are an advantage and there's no reason to trot out a bunch of rhetoric about shields. It just makes you look like a trivia memorizing ass. Chitoryu12 is definitely channeling that vibe, as if memorizing a whole bunch of facts from Mike's pages can make him declare the video to be shit.

The Worf and Riker were well done. The nerd was awful, but he was supposed to be. It was pretty funny to me. It's a win for Wars since it makes fun of Star Trek wankers as basement dwelling nerds. But looks like the "versus" people dropped in on page 40 or so and infested the comments section. The video is about a nerd who makes Star Trek win by writer's fiat because it's his fantasy. I don't know how you can take that seriously.

In my opinion keep dirty laundry in the community and debate people who look like real Darkstars. Memorizing a whole bunch of trivia does nothing unless you explain it, and if you want to do that just point them to Mike's site. These guys are obviously Trek fans, but they're not Trektards, unless you think that every Trek fan who makes a video about Star Trek winning is a Trektard.

[Darth Servo]

Do you see ANY of my comments there saying "what a crappy video" as opposed to "your reasons for thinking ST would win are wrong"

I skimmed through the comments and chitoryu12 who made all those comments to criticize the acting (or appears to.) And of course, the video is bad because Star Trek wins. Please. There's 64 pages and I'm not going to get into who started what first, but that's what happened in the later pages.

Hint: its pretty easy to have your computer search for key words such as my username.

These guys are obviously Trek fans, but they're not Trektards, unless you think that every Trek fan who makes a video about Star Trek winning is a Trektard.

And I'm not making fun of the Trek fans who like the video. I'm making fun of the idiots who posted stupid VS arguments like the idiotic "no laser" myth.

[brianeyci]

Hint: the distinction between making fun of of people who like the video and people who like the video because Star Trek wins is a fine one which nobody really pays attention to. You make no comments about whether you like or dislike the video, or whether you have even watched the video at all, or the acting, or the plot, or anything.

It sure looks like you're making fun of all Trekkies to me. Especially when you use Trekkie in a derogatory way, like an insult. You're splitting hairs, which I'd be inclined to believe if you had said anything at all about the video besides versus.

Did you even watch it? Be honest.

Pezook has a point you know. Why do you do it, if not for jollies? Or are you going to give me the same lame excuse chitoryu12 said over there, that he's fifteen and has nothing better to do? Chitoryu12 looks like an attention whoring trivia memorizing ass who wants to relive the ASVS and Darkstar days. Hint: They're gone, it's over, and it'll never come back. The only lingering zombie is Darkstar.

If I were you I'd leave the chitoryu's to their attention whoring. And he had to run over here to post his exploits, as if he conquered something great over there. I invite others to read the comments section and see if they come to the same conclusion.

[Batman]

Let's assume Darth Servo IS doing it for jollies. The problem with that is-what, exactly?

[brianeyci]

Let's assume Darth Servo IS doing it for jollies. The problem with that is-what, exactly?

There's nothing wrong with it, like I already said. Maybe Darth Servo was the wrong target and I should've gone after chitoryu instead.

But this is the phenomenon I've noticed. Every so often, a fifteen year old brat like chitoryu finds Mike's site. He decides that he's discovered something great, and will go to any and all Trek venues, even inappropriate ones where Trek merely wins and take off the wall comments obviously intended to relate to taste rather than science to pick fights, and parrot Mike's words. Unless chitoryu is a genius, I doubt he understands any of the science or equations Mike used to arrive at his conclusions at all. Then, proud of his accomplishment at slaying Trekkies, he comes back here with stories of his exploits.

All I have to say is, people new to the site, memorizing trivia is bullshit. You are not Mike chitoryu. I doubt you did any of the hard work or research and like Sun Tzu says: "To lift an autumn hair is no sign of great strength; to see the sun and moon is no sign of sharp sight; to hear the noise of thunder is no sign of a quick ear."

In short attention whoring is bullshit. I missed the mark by ranting on Darth Servo, which I apologize for, but I don't see why I should not scoff at chitoryu's approach.

And that guy is right chitoryu. If you really have nothing better to do, then get a summer job. Or be honest and admit you care about it and do it for pleasure, rather than this "I'm doing it because I have to" crap.

[Batman]

Let's assume Darth Servo IS doing it for jollies. The problem with that is-what, exactly?

There's nothing wrong with it, like I already said. Maybe Darth Servo was the wrong target and I should've gone after chitoryu instead.
But this is the phenomenon I've noticed. Every so often, a fifteen year old brat like chitoryu finds Mike's site. He decides that he's discovered something great, and will go to any and all Trek venues, even inappropriate ones where Trek merely wins and take off the wall comments obviously intended to relate to taste rather than science to pick fights, and parrot Mike's words.

How, exactly, do you define inappropriate?
That Wars would hand Trek its head on a platter is a FACT (barring a few technicalities). How is pointing that out inappropriate?

Unless chitoryu is a genius, I doubt he understands any of the science or equations Mike used to arrive at his conclusions at all. Then, proud of his accomplishment at slaying Trekkies, he comes back here with stories of his exploits.

And? Apart from chitoryu possibly getting an inflated perception of his scientific knowledge, the problem is what, exactly?

All I have to say is, people new to the site, memorizing trivia is bullshit.

Unless you intend to get involved in the debate, at least.

You are not Mike chitoryu. I doubt you did any of the hard work or research

So basically, you're saying that people OTHER than the ones who actually DID that research shouldn't make use of what came off it?

and like Sun Tzu says: "To lift an autumn hair is no sign of great strength; to see the sun and moon is no sign of sharp sight; to hear the noise of thunder is no sign of a quick ear."

It nevertheless shows you are neither deaf, dumb nor blind. Well, weak, technically, but I think that was the general idea.

In short attention whoring is bullshit. I missed the mark by ranting on Darth Servo, which I apologize for, but I don't see why I should not scoff at chitoryu's approach.

You're welcome to. Though I fail to see why Darth Servo doing it is any more tolerable than chitoryu's. And UNlike Servo chitoryu likely actually CAN use the practice.

And that guy is right chitoryu. If you really have nothing better to do, then get a summer job. Or be honest and admit you care about it and do it for pleasure, rather than this "I'm doing it because I have to" crap.

I must have missed the 'because I have to' part. He claimed he was doing it for practice.

[chitoryu12]

And I was hardly going up against innocent Trek fans who said that Trek would win because it was awesome (haven't seen one of those yet anyway). I was talking about people like this tard, who actually try to seriously debate it with flawed logic.

Later I'll try to find where he denies that BDZ even exists and that the Empire doesn't have millions of ships.

[chitoryu12]

You make no comments about whether you like or dislike the video, or whether you have even watched the video at all, or the acting, or the plot, or anything.

I did. I made two comments about how the acting wasn't that good, but the main characters, especially Worf, were funny.

[Lord Poe]

I've had this video favorited for quite a while, but haven't seen all of it yet. I'll rewatch when I get home. Hey, it's FUN smacking down idiot Trekkies. I don't see the need to do this at every Trek website, of course. But when the VS argument is is allowed, I see nothing wrong with disabusing the Trekkie side of their superiority.

Thank the maker (Anakin?) for Phil tempering my early ideas for "The Last Bastion". It has made a MUCH better series than Star Wars just bulldozing Star Trek. Fan filmmakers that want one side to win over another doesn't bother me. I can enjoy the flick if it's good. But if its completely unbalanced, it gets annoying.

I actually know people who are big Dante Leonhart and (TOWMNBN mark2) fans, who I'm still friendly with. As I've said in the past, the whole VS thing to me is more akin to WWF Wrestling than a boxing match.

[Darth Servo]

Hint: the distinction between making fun of of people who like the video and people who like the video because Star Trek wins is a fine one which nobody really pays attention to. You make no comments about whether you like or dislike the video, or whether you have even watched the video at all, or the acting, or the plot, or anything.

Hence its IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mocking the video, contrary to your incessant claims.

It sure looks like you're making fun of all Trekkies to me. Especially when you use Trekkie in a derogatory way, like an insult. You're splitting hairs, which I'd be inclined to believe if you had said anything at all about the video besides versus.

Love those hasty generalizations, how "making fun of trekkie posting stupid shit" means "making fun of all trekkies".

Did you even watch it? Be honest.

About 15 seconds.

Pezook has a point you know. Why do you do it, if not for jollies?

Why do you care?

Chitoryu12 looks like an attention whoring trivia memorizing ass who wants to relive the ASVS and Darkstar days. Hint: They're gone, it's over, and it'll never come back. The only lingering zombie is Darkstar.

Like people who smack around creationists look like attention whoring trivia memorizing asses who want to relive the Scopes Monkey trial?

This debate has been settled among the intelligent members of the internet community but this thread's very existence proves that there are still retards out there who think the Federation should win.

You've even posted in this thread and if you'd read the opening post, you'd know about morons on StarTrek.com continuing to deny the obvious.

[Darth Servo]

edit: Hence its IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mocking the video or the guy for making it, contrary to your incessant claims.

[brianeyci]

It's not a hasty generalization. If I use the word blacks in a derogatory way, it's perfectly reasonable to assume I'm talking about all blacks. If I said this,

"Just like blacks to be poor."

It would be dissing all blacks, not just poor blacks. You know, tone of voice does matter. If I said "Trekkies." and scoffed, it's perfectly reasonable to assume I'm talking about all Trekkies. Trekkies has already entered the common vernacular and just means Star Trek fan.

You don't have to lower yourself to the lowest common denominator. If Trekkies are there saying crap, you can just laugh and say the video isn't supposed to be taken seriously, and smack them down without looking like you're regurgitating stuff from someone else. If the video has a comment section, it's an implicit assumption that any and all comments are related to the quality of the video. I can't believe you're still trying to spilt hairs. You obviously don't like Trekkies, and you couldn't even stand to watch the whole video, just because the Empire was losing, when the point of the video wasn't a fight.

You gave a canned response to someone mentioning transporters being a "huge advantage" (this is what he said huge advantage), like he was Darkstar reincarnated, instead of adapting your responses to someone who had not showed himself to be a Trektard yet. I have noticed this pattern in posts of yours, giving canned responses, lumping misinformed Star Trek fans in with Darkstars. Well I'm telling you it's annoying. And also intellectually lazy. Trivia memorizing is bullshit, memorizing canned responses is bullshit.

I can just imagine you in real life. A few people who have never heard of Star Trek versus Star Wars ever, get together to see who would win. Then you come in and rattle off a bunch of trivia unrelated to what's actually being said. Come on man.

And I am pretty sick of the creation card being overplayed. You know creationism actually does real harm. Can debators please go one thread without mentioning creationism? The analogy is overused and abused. This is why I ask you why you do it. There's pleasure, then there's the idea you're actually doing something great. You say it's not pleasure, so do you actually think you're doing as great things as Talk Origins people when they're smacking down creationism?

However, I will drop the issue, on further consideration of what Lord Poe said. That is, if you make a versus video, you almost have to expect the versus people to drop in, so maybe it's an appropriate place to shit talk after all. But maybe not. DMJay is not the same as a bunch of friends who get together to make a comedy about Worf's gay.

[Frank Hipper]

Discussion on the merits of Trekkie bashing aside, a correction is called for:

Well, the trekkies can have the "jet fighter" part, the me262 had a nasty tendency to violently explode even when not in combat.

That would be the Me 163, not the 262.

[phongn]

Discussion on the merits of Trekkie bashing aside, a correction is called for:

Well, the trekkies can have the "jet fighter" part, the me262 had a nasty tendency to violently explode even when not in combat.

That would be the Me 163, not the 262.

Well, the Me262's engines did have a nasty tendency to fail in flight

[Batman]

Well the Jumo 004 had a nasty tendency to catch fire on rapid load shifts but it didn't as such make the plane explode. At least, not immediately.