Do you believe in suicide?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-10 02:00am

Do you see suicide as allowable/good/okay or bad?

I think it's bad. Not because of religious reasons, but mainly because I think it means that you've given up.

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2003-01-10 02:07am

I'm pro-death. Pro-abortion, pro-suicide, pro-death penalty, whatever. Anything to get traffic moving in the morning.

If you can guess the name of the (paraphrased) comedian, you win a free* axe!

*Management will not take responsibility for method of delivery.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-10 02:09am

Cthulhu-chan wrote:I'm pro-death. Pro-abortion, pro-suicide, pro-death penalty, whatever. Anything to get traffic moving in the morning.

If you can guess the name of the (paraphrased) comedian, you win a free* axe!

*Management will not take responsibility for method of delivery.

I'm going to guess Mr Hicks....but thats just a guess....for a dead guy his comedy is pretty current....

Though I dont need the axe...have access and training with plenty here

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2003-01-10 02:19am

Don't worry... er, I mean so sorry, but you are incorrect.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-10 02:20am

Cthulhu-chan wrote:Don't worry... er, I mean so sorry, but you are incorrect.

Perfectly alright, it just sounds like something he'd have come out with.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-10 02:34am

George Carlin?

(edit) Oh, I think it's allowable to off yourself. Tragic, but allowable.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-10 02:41am

I believe that if someone wishes to "give up" then it is thier choice....if the game no longer holds anything for you, people cant force you to keep playing.

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2003-01-10 02:41am

Nein, though it does sound like something he'd say, doesn't it?

No axe for you, you lucky... uh, poor sod!

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-10 03:12am

Anyone can kill themselves if they want to. What are you gonna do, arrest them

However, there's a whole lotta reasons why you shouldn't external to yourself. For one thing the effect on your family, loved ones.

Of course, a cause of suicide is the notion that noone gives two shits about you and "you'll show them!" or some such.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-01-10 03:31am

Bill Maher

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-01-10 04:53am

Vympel wrote:Anyone can kill themselves if they want to. What are you gonna do, arrest them

Actually, IIRC in Israel they used to do just that (assuming the attempt is unsuccessful of course) because suicide was illegal.
Hell, chances are somewhere on this globe there's a country where attempted suicide carries the death penalty

As for the poll, I would have liked a 'bad but allowable' option.
Suicide's bad because it irreversibly offs a person somebody cares about (wether the suicidee believes this or not), but I can
understand if somebody no longer feels life is worth living.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-01-10 06:25am

Considering euthanasia apparently violates human rights, because the right to life has to be forced on people at the expense of their happiness....

Yes, I think if suicide is the only way to stop a particular pain, then go for it.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-10 07:42am

At least in our little goverment game its legal, Well its illeagle but the penlity is death

Sucided from the Genetic stand-point is a faliure

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-10 07:48am

You know, looking at the title of this thread, I'd say this would make a cool song title.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-01-10 08:39am

allowable but bad.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-01-10 09:02am

Ultimately I believe suicide is a personal right that everyone should have.

However I think its the duity of any friend or family member to try and help this individual work through whatever problem they have; this might include getting them psychiatric help. People are often mistaken, misinformed, or blinded by the emotion of a particular situation. Anyone would help a friend with a difficult situation, and this should be no different. Often people who have attempted suicide are later thankful that they weren't successfull. Oftentimes it is a cry for help (ie. "They'll notice me if I'm dead").

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-10 09:21am

I believe that, although you have the right to kill yourself, you had best follow these two points:

a) You better not do it in, say, a school gym for shock value. If your whole purpose of killing yourself is to get noticed, tough shit. If you try pull a stunt like that in public or without warning so as to create shock and pain among others, and you somehow FAIL, you should be bloody well locked away in a mental institution and therapeutically rammed up the ass with a cattle prod.

b) You had better not expect that I won't hate you. If you hate yourself that much, you probably don't care that I will hate you for killing yourself, but I just want it to be perfectly clear that I will think you are a weak-willed, pathetic piece of useless crap, and I will under no circumstances be buried in the same cemetary as you.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-01-10 09:26am

I love the title of this thread....

<fundy>No, i don't believe in suicide. It's a myth perpetrated by evil lefty evolutionists!</fundy>

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-10 12:22pm

I believe it's a dumb thing to do to yourself in most cases. It's the person's choice however. As long as they don't try to take other people with them.

I would do everything I can to prevent a friend or family member from comitting suicide but it's ultimately the person's choice.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-10 12:40pm

Suicide is pathetic. It is a weak person's way out of a "tough" situation. I say that because sometimes, when you look back at crisis situations that you had when you were younger, particularly as a teen, you find that these supposed crisis were nothing but tempests in a teapot and if you kill yourself over that you've just taken yourself out of the game and for what?

If there's nothing on the other side then you've just brought a one way ticket to oblivion and all you ever were and all you will ever be has meant NOTHING.

If there is something on the other side, chances are god ain't going to be too happy with what you've done and you may have brought yourself a one way ticket to torment and damnation...oh yeah that's worth it because your skanky girlfirend left you

Sorry, but suicides for me elicit only one response...what a dumb fuck. Nothing is as bad as it seems.

HOWEVER there are caveats to this attitude. If you are suffering from horrible chronic pain and will do so for the rest of your life or you're dying and its going to be agony, then perhaps suicide would be an option. After all what is the point of living out an agonizing life? Why hold on? That would be the only out I can see for suicide being acceptable to me.

Life is just too fucking precious and we are too short sighted and wrapped up in ourselves to notice or appreciate that

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-10 01:35pm

Shinova wrote:Do you see suicide as allowable/good/okay or bad?

I think it's bad. Not because of religious reasons, but mainly because I think it means that you've given up.

depends on my mood, of course.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-01-10 01:48pm

You say there ain't no use in livin'
It's all a waste o' time
And you wanna throw your life away
Well, people, that's just fine...

Well, go on and get it over with, then
Find you a bridge and take a jump.
Just make sure and do it right the first time --
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump!"

And if any of you can guess where that's from, you'll get a free* ride in a big red convertible with my attorney and I...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-10 01:54pm

SUICIDE CHUMP
By Frank Zappa.
From the record "You Are What You Is" from 1981.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-10 05:05pm

Batman wrote:
Vympel wrote:Anyone can kill themselves if they want to. What are you gonna do, arrest them
Actually, IIRC in Israel they used to do just that (assuming the attempt is unsuccessful of course) because suicide was illegal.
Hell, chances are somewhere on this globe there's a country where attempted suicide carries the death penalty

IIRC, it used to be a capital offense in the UK.

Personally, I would say bad/allowable also. It's not something I would ever do (and yes, I have thought about it before), and I consider it to be a weak way out of a tough situation. However, some people can't handle real life, and it's not my place to judge whether another person's actions upon themself are moral or immoral.

Malecoda · Post by **Malecoda** » 2003-01-10 05:14pm

Suicide should be illegal. For one thing, it's murder. Handily, the penalty for a successful one is death, and if you botch it, you could end up a vegetable or live to suffer, at least for a little while. But all those whacky considerations aside, I believe that once born, you have a duty to survive at any cost.[/code]

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