Star Trek vs Anything?

[TC Pilot]

Something I've been wondering about for a bit; is there any sci-fi vs. instances in which Star Trek would actually win? Minus obvious game breakers like Q or any other such "divine intervention", of course.

[Stark]

1) this isn't actually STvsSW

2) this is the first step down 'lol bias' road.

[TC Pilot]

Alright, I wasn't sure if this should go here or in "other sci-fi".

[brianeyci]

Yeah if you search in OSF you can see a lot of things Star Trek would win in. Sean Robertson did some calcs in the Star Trek forum about the pulse phasers being 30 kilotons at least in the TOS era. There's actually a lot.

There was one funny one where it was Star Trek versus Star Wars, Romulans versus Imperials, but Wars fans using Star Wars equipment. All the HAB came down on the Wars fanboys like a ton of bricks. The soldiers with real military training knew that was what made the difference, not the toys, and said the TIE's and AT-ST's would hit the dirt in under five minutes while the Romulans would bomb the terrified Wars fanboys to their doom.

As for Q I suggest you look at other threads before opening your mouth about Q, since every time anybody mentions it, it turns into a flamewar.

[Lord Revan]

sure there's plenty of powers ST could win, just like there's plenty of power that could assrape the Galatic Empire (or any other Star Wars power) so badly that it wouldn't be even close to funny.

But the fact this that Star Trek is not among stronger power in Scifi.

[Lord Revan]

sure there's plenty of powers ST could win, just like there's plenty of power that could assrape the Galatic Empire (or any other Star Wars power) so badly that it wouldn't be even close to funny.

But the fact this that Star Trek is not among stronger power in Scifi.

Ghetto edit:but the fact is that Star Trek is not among the Stronger powers in Scifi

how a race or an universe fares in military-VS debates come few things really

1. Ofc what kind of technology the powers have compared to each others
2. Strategy/tatics aka how well do the forces fight in the "battlefield" and how does that compare to the power(s)
3. Numbers aka how much soldiers, equipment, starships or what ever you can put in to the "field" (even the best technology might not help if there's just too many enemies to kill)
4. Morale of the forces, even the best toys won't help if your troops panic and rout at the first sign of the enemy

that's what I think at least

[Lord Revan]

curse not edit

on those points I've just posted Star Trek (even TNG and post-TNG trek) is nowhere near the worse (true it's closer to the worse then the best, but the best are just down right insane).

[Batman]

It's been generally established that the AQ powers could probably handily beat the B5 younger races, and possibly the Minbari, too.
And that's just limiting it to TV SciFi. Trek could almost inevitably assrape early Heinlein Future History, can DEFINITELY assrape BattleTech (at least in space),
then there's Zahn's Conqueror's universe, ERB's Barsoom, there's TONS of universes where Trek would actually turn out to be the Big Boy.

[Starglider]

Trek could take out the Aliens verse (at least, the humans, not sure about the predators). They'll have to do it by orbital bombardment, because there's no way in hell they're winning a ground battle against those armies, but they should win the space battles easily. The Federation should win against the 12 colonies, in both new and old BSG, though it's debatable how many casualties they'll take (from 'none' to 'lots' depending on the stats used, I'm tending towards 'lots').

[fusion]

See Star Trek is a mid power race about less than half of the sci-fi races could rape them while they can rape the majority of the sci-fi races like firefly, BSG, Signs, and over 65% of sci-fi novel races and any hard core sci fi race. So in the end there is a lot, its just most don't care

[Starglider]

while they can rape the majority of the sci-fi races like firefly, BSG, Signs, and over 65% of sci-fi novel races

Signs doesn't count. It defines the lower end of sci-fi competence and capability. The care bears could rape the Signs aliens, though actually that's a mental image I didn't need.

[Batman]

while they can rape the majority of the sci-fi races like firefly, BSG, Signs, and over 65% of sci-fi novel races

Signs doesn't count. It defines the lower end of sci-fi competence and capability. The care bears could rape the Signs aliens, though actually that's a mental image I didn't need.

When you have an enemy that can be assraped by Trek AND movie Starship Troopers ground forces, that's REALLY low end.

[Lord Revan]

the thing why, Trek always seems to loose in vs debates is that either a (rabid) trekkie pitted against an opponent totally out of it's leguage (like SW), but the poster just refuses the admit the Star Trek ain't The Top Power (or even close to it) or that the poster was being sadistic and did the same.

so it's not so much Star Trek being unable to defeat anything, then ST being pitted against opponents it can't win with deus ex machina or special conditions.

[Lord Revan]

...without deus ex machina or special conditions.

damn I need to check my posts more carefully

what I meant is that most in VS (I've seen) that involve Star Trek, it's like a teen with a WW2 rifle/carbine (and nothing else) with a lot of counter strike experience, pitted against a fully trained and equipted US army company with full air support.

[Darth Wong]

Given their apparent speed advantage, Trek should be able to handily defeat the colonial government from Aliens, at least in space. The colonials don't appear to have shield technology, which is a major deficiency, and their slow-ass FTL drive means that the Trek powers would have a huge advantage in terms of force concentration and the ability to choose when and where battle takes place.

Mind you, they would get horribly ass-raped on the ground. But the Pajama Boys would get horribly ass-raped by just about anybody on the ground.

[CaptHawkeye]

Didn't we come to the conclusion that Trek could actually beat the ID4 Aliens AKA Grays since the observed power of their weapons was substantially low?

[Invictus ChiKen]

The Signs aliens, I agree they don't really count.

Me and my best friend could take on a beat a force of 20 of them. We just need super soakers, water ballons and possible protection from there poison spray.

[TC Pilot]

Does anyone else find the prospect of Transformers against, say, Klingons to be as funny as I do?

[Darth Wong]

Does anyone else find the prospect of Transformers against, say, Klingons to be as funny as I do?

A Macedonian phalanx could defeat Klingons. The ridge-headed morons would beat their chests, throw away their disruptors, and charge at the front of the phalanx while screaming Klingon battle songs and waving their ridiculous bat'leths.

[chitoryu12]

Does anyone else find the prospect of Transformers against, say, Klingons to be as funny as I do?

I can picture the battle now:

Klingon: This shall be a glorious day for ba(squish)

[Darth Servo]

A Macedonian phalanx could defeat Klingons.

Or the borg or Jem-Hadar or...

[Jim Raynor]

The Signs aliens, I agree they don't really count.

Me and my best friend could take on a beat a force of 20 of them. We just need super soakers, water ballons and possible protection from there poison spray.

Their poison spray was pussy as hell. Mel Gibson's son was completely unaffected after being sprayed directly in the face, because he happened to be asthmatic. No one else in the room at the moment was even slightly affected either.

It's not exxagerating to say that any one of us could own the retards from Signs.

[TithonusSyndrome]

The Race from Turtledove's Worldwar series would be another obvious one to throw out there, and likely so would most Ed Wood-style B-film fishing pole aliens.

[Starglider]

Relevant old thread : Who CAN the Federation Ground Troops beat?

Which I vaguely recalled from reading through most of the archives a couple of months back.

[Vympel]

Movvvveeeeeedddddd.