Transformers Reactions Thread - No spoilers until July 4th

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2007-07-05 12:24am

Anguirus wrote:Saw it for the second time. The battle was easier to follow: I could tell which Autobots were doing what to Devastator.

Indeed. Saw it for the third time yesterday. I was at awe at the move Jazz had on Brawl / Devastator when he Kupped him, and as the tank transformed, he kicked off Brawl's left shoulder-mounted missile launcher. This damage is seen throughout the battle until Bumblebee kills Brawl.

And it's more apparent that the humans' weapons weren't really effective with Brawl until Bumblebee rolled in all weapons blazing. A single chest or neck shot KOed him.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2007-07-05 12:26am

Also, you have not experienced Transformers until you experience it on an AMC wall to wall screen. That is all.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-07-05 12:33am

LadyTevar wrote: Why? G-1 boxes had the same things on back, including a 'power matrix' so you could compare who was stronger/faster/tougher.

Wait what? I think a movie should be mostly self contained. Especially an origin movie. The kind of dumb speculation on whether or not Starscream fired on Megatron is the kind of thing I absolutely hate about the Transformers fandom at large.

Those old Tech Specs were pretty bad anyway. Optimus always got all 10s. He was faster than most jet robots. Bob Budiansky did make some interesting characters out old toys and it was funny to see them degenerate into a bunch of robots with mental problems, but I do not believe that Tech Specs should be the source of everything you know about the character with nothing really shown in the movie.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2007-07-05 12:36am

I'm fairly certain that even using the movie line only, that you end up with some inconsistent ratings.

I heard something about the Target exclusive Arcee having as much power as Ironhide based on the ratings or something.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-07-05 12:49am

Seggybop wrote:I was looking at the descriptions for the new toys, and the one for Starscream emphasized his treacherous nature and desire to overthrow Megatron. I think it`s pretty sure that he did in fact fire on him.

Pretty much all the material related to the movie indicates Starscream didn't really want Megatron to be found, he wanted to stay in charge of the Decepticons, going so far as to try and obliterate any evidence he was on Earth at one point.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2007-07-05 01:07am

VF5SS wrote:The kind of dumb speculation on whether or not Starscream fired on Megatron is the kind of thing I absolutely hate about the Transformers fandom at large.

Whut? This is a perfectly reasonable thing to speculate on. All throughout the characters history in every series in which he appeared, Starscream has always been a treacherous dick. Even the Beast Wars Predacon based on Starscream shared his treacherous tendancies, and tried to usurp that Megatron as well. Just listen to his line about serving Megatron when he gets chewed out.

Speculating on whether or not that he snuck in with the other Raptors and fired upon Megatron, and Blackout, Megatron's most loyal supporter, is perfectly reasonable, even without any background knowledge of The Transformers.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2007-07-05 02:34am

Just saw the movie and my god, this movie is excellent. Everything met my expectations; its only a pity that Megatron does not sound like Megatron. Shia LaBoeuf's acting was superb, easily carrying the movie. I think I might just go see it again this weekend.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2007-07-05 02:40am

Aside from Bays obviously undiagnosed ADD.... what happened to Barricade? what happened to the three transformers that were created during the battle sequence.... they kinda just left that out...

but I did like the movie alot... just seems like they forgot to finish some parts...

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-07-05 02:57am

I thought it dragged just a bit but overall it was fun. Wish more Decepticons had shown up before the final battle.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2007-07-05 03:04am

Fucking christ...the more I think about it, the more I'm pissed off Frank Welker wasn't the voice of Megatron. The movie would have even more legitimacy if they could maintain the voices of the cartoon Prime and Megatron.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2007-07-05 03:36am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Man, what is this?

Seriously, I had no problem whatsoever following who was who in the final fight or anywhere else. They were all different colours, different shapes, different configurations: just as easy to tell apart as people. So I really don't know what's the problem other than that some people simply didn't bother paying any attention to detail.

The problem wasn't the colour scheme. It was the speed of the camera angles. When Jazz got torn to pieces, we had a 10 second view of the entire event max. The dodge and scoot maneveur of Ironhide when they were covering Sam was similarly that fast-paced.

It was either waste time to recognise who was who, or just enjoy the action as it evolved.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2007-07-05 03:39am

Fire Fly wrote:Fucking christ...the more I think about it, the more I'm pissed off Frank Welker wasn't the voice of Megatron. The movie would have even more legitimacy if they could maintain the voices of the cartoon Prime and Megatron.

yeah, I couldn't really tell that it was Hugo Weaving as the voice of Megatron... so it was kinda pointless

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-07-05 04:22am

Megatron had like, what, four lines? Weaving was probably in and out in an hour.

phred · Post by **phred** » 2007-07-05 04:41am

just got home from seeing it. Great movie.

The scene where they are hiding around the house was funny as hell. the 2 main fight scenes(scorpnok and the final battle) were awesome.

The scene where they introduce the autobots was too short, which probably contributed to the problems identifying everyone in the final battle
the whole section 7 thing... WTF ??? they could have cut it and lost nothing IMHO.
And as for the shaky camera thing, yeah its nice for a little realism, but at some point it just gets ridiculous

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-07-05 04:56am

Fire Fly wrote:Fucking christ...the more I think about it, the more I'm pissed off Frank Welker wasn't the voice of Megatron. The movie would have even more legitimacy if they could maintain the voices of the cartoon Prime and Megatron.

He does the voice in the game and I really don't think his voice has aged that well, sounds like he desperately needs a throat lozenge.

He did audition he just didn't get the part because they didn't feel his voice fit as well with the revamped megs, and quite frankly now that I've hear both voices coming out of him I'm inclined to agree with that.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-07-05 05:01am

Welker sounds pretty normal when he's not voice acting. Given the unrecognisable-as-Weaving voice with all of two minutes of talk time they had, I really don't care who did the voice.

I don't recall Blackout talking in the movie, but the voice for him in the game is neat.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2007-07-05 06:51am

Stark wrote:I don't recall Blackout talking in the movie, but the voice for him in the game is neat.

I think he only spoke Cybertronese during the "Decepticons: Mobilize" scene. In fact didn't he say the "All hail Megatron" line?

Coriolis · Post by **Coriolis** » 2007-07-05 07:10am

I saw the movie yesterday and it was fucking awesome! Personally, I can sum up the move in two words: collateral damage.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2007-07-05 07:43am

Old Plympto wrote:
Stark wrote:I don't recall Blackout talking in the movie, but the voice for him in the game is neat.
I think he only spoke Cybertronese during the "Decepticons: Mobilize" scene. In fact didn't he say the "All hail Megatron" line?

Hedid indeed. He was a huge Megatron fanboy, it seems.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-07-05 08:34am

now that I think of it Sector 7 was rather stupid (especially if it's true that Megatron had broken free once already, before the movie) to put him and the Allspark in the same building (even if they didn't know what the cube is)

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-07-05 08:45am

How about having the generators for his cryo system (which appeared to be dudes with fire extinguishers, but hey) being wholly outside, with backups that 'won't cut it' - inside a hydro plant? Since they can damage him, simply removing Megatron's legs would have saved everyone a lot of trouble (but made the movie pretty much identical, since all Megs really did was chase Sam really, really slowly and then get killed by his massive design flaw).

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-07-05 08:55am

Stark wrote:How about having the generators for his cryo system (which appeared to be dudes with fire extinguishers, but hey) being wholly outside, with backups that 'won't cut it' - inside a hydro plant? Since they can damage him, simply removing Megatron's legs would have saved everyone a lot of trouble (but made the movie pretty much identical, since all Megs really did was chase Sam really, really slowly and then get killed by his massive design flaw).

yeah for some reason Megatron seem to want crash thru the floor rather you know transform into that jet thing and fly to the roof and I think those guys with extinguishers was the back up system.

Also it seemed that Megatron might have been semi-awake already as the first thing he says once he has broken free is "I am Megatron" or words to that effect (at least according to the subtitles), after that Sector-7 guy keeps calling him EBO-1 or something like that (this could have been accidental though, but it's ironic anyway).

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2007-07-05 09:50am

Fire Fly wrote:Just saw the movie and my god, this movie is excellent. Everything met my expectations; its only a pity that Megatron does not sound like Megatron. Shia LaBoeuf's acting was superb, easily carrying the movie. I think I might just go see it again this weekend.

I was thinking I might see it again this weekend too. I found myself enjoying the movie far more than I thought I would.

Although like others pointed out, the whole Sector 7 bit could have been cut and the movie wouldn't have suffered. And some things did happen way too quickly/disjointedly or something, because I didn't even realize Jazz had been killed until the Autobots formed up.

All in all though, great fucking film.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2007-07-05 10:15am

Praxis wrote:Okay, that was officially the most manly movie of all time. Giant robots fighting in downtown New York

It looks like Bay shot the movie in two cities (street signs are two different color schemes), but the skyline that they show is L.A.'s.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2007-07-05 10:41am

"At the end of this day, one shall stand, and one shall fall!"

Fucking badass reference. Made me think Prime and Megatron were going to kill each other again.

I loved the movie, I'll definately see it again. The subplots could have been removed and I would have been less antsy, but LaBeouf was fantastic, Fox was gorgeous, and goddamn, the Transformers delivered.

And with Jazz, well, he doesn't speak jive anymore, but thug. Nice to see they updated his character.