Did the USA land on the moon, japan will show us

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-08-03 05:35pm

Japan is sending a moon surveyor to the moon in 2004, to completely map the entire surface, this will be able to pickup the landing craft that were left there so many years ago, now there has been talks that the US hasn't actually landed on the moon, been on tv a lot lately, so if they haven't, and the US gov. well some of them know this, will they let the Jap satalite reach the moon? or will there be an accident, as in, shot down by a laser, so no projectile can be tracked....

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-08-03 05:46pm

You mean there are actual serious intelligent people that think we didn't? Huh. I thought you needed to be a Nutjob of a Crazy Factor of 5 to think we didn't.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-03 06:23pm

Considering it would be cheeper to acutal go than the millions opon millions you would need to assemble everything needed oh and the fun fact you COULD SEE THEM HEADING TOWARDS THE MOON if you knew where to look with a teloscope at the time

What did they do go half way there then hang a U turn?

Glad finaly the Conspirasy nuts will finaly get there.. no wait they will just say the Japanise are in on it too

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-03 06:56pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:You mean there are actual serious intelligent people that think we didn't? Huh. I thought you needed to be a Nutjob of a Crazy Factor of 5 to think we didn't.

Yes, let's just invite in Resident Commie and his conspiracy posse.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2002-08-03 06:58pm

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

This should put to rest any doubts you might have about whether the moon landings actually happened. He systematically destroys most of the moon hoax arguments. He's like Lord Wong, without the Imperial Smackdown! (TM) attitude.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-03 06:59pm

With a powerful enough scope you can see the stuff they left behind on the moon.

I think.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-08-03 07:15pm

Oh God those damn Japanese are in on it! Look at how they faked the pictures! Little do they know that there's no way their satellite's pictures could be that clear, cause the atmosphere on the moon is churning about and would blur the images somewhat. Look, conclusive proof that the Moon landings are still fake!!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-03 07:23pm

Yes, let's just invite in Resident Commie and his conspiracy posse.

Not even he belives they faked the moon landings

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-08-03 07:39pm

I never had an idea that anyone thought that the moon landing was a hoax until I was a senior in college, and I was tutoring the daughter of the nigrean consulate ...

(Azeron's shameless attempt to hijack this thread into a nationalistic "America Rulez!" and Nigeria-bashing thread deleted. Stay on topic)- Darth Wong

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2002-08-03 07:49pm

we americans, we went up there, planted our flag played some golf, went home never coming back having "been there and done that". We just have too much style and they can't stand it.

I like that theory. By the way, when we finally do establish a permanant presence on the moon, I think the first person who opens up the Tranquility Country Club is going to make a fortune. What hardcore golfer wouldn't want to play on a 5000 yard par-4 16th or use one of those lunar rovers as a golf cart? No water hazards, either.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-08-03 07:52pm

A hell of a lot of sand traps though. The entire course, in fact.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-03 07:54pm

Just to add, the moderators need to move this thread to the "logic" board

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-08-04 06:45am

Who remembers that Simpsons episode... "the moon belongs to America"

now that was funny

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-08-05 05:47am

Crazy_Vasey wrote:With a powerful enough scope you can see the stuff they left behind on the moon.

I think.

No such scope exists. Even Hubble can't do it (it's physically incapable of it because it is too far from the moon - the primary mirror doesn't have the resolving power to spot the little things they left behind). From dirtside, even if they had the resolving power, I doubt you could see squat all through the atmosphere.

I believe the Japanese probe is going to be relatively close to the moon, so it gets to see :>

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-05 08:43am

Correction you have to be far enough away and with a more powerful telescope to see it remeber you COULD see it if you had a super powerful scope then traveled thirty light years and zoomed in and waited for them to show up

As for the Simpsons I remeber that full quote

The moon belongs to American, Will you be one of her Proud Astro-men?
(Theme music plays)

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-05 09:26am

You don't need a telescope to see what was left on the moon. The astronauts left large mirrors on the surface, which NASA routinely reflects lasers off of for various purposes.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-08-05 04:48pm

With a powerful enough scope you can see the stuff they left behind on the moon.

The smallest an object can be before it cannot be seen is around 200 meters, I believe. The lander, rover, the flags, and all the other gizmos left on the Moon are much smaller than 200 meters wide.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-08-06 12:22am

Quite Frankly, you don't know enough about Nigeria...

(snip more off-topic ranting and thread-hijacking about Nigeria's social structure, which has precisely nothing to do with the "US moon-landing hoax" subject, as well as whining that he is being persecuted for not being allowed to hijack threads)- Darth Wong

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-06 12:45am

I saw that special on TV. I especially liked the part when they said that there were two shadows in several images from the television feed--just like someone would expect from a studio lighting set. Apparently these people did not realize that there are two light sources on the moon. The Earth also casts a significant amount of illumination on the moon.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-08-06 06:17am

USAF Ace wrote:You don't need a telescope to see what was left on the moon. The astronauts left large mirrors on the surface, which NASA routinely reflects lasers off of for various purposes.

*nods* One of the most basic is measuring how far away the moon is. That's how they now the moon is actually slowly receding from Earth.

When I get home, I'll dig up a couple of 'moon-hoax-debunking' sites I ran across the other day - very good explanations of why half the supposed 'fakery' is actually evidence for a non-Terran origin.

EDIT: As promised -
Set 'em up, and knock 'em down:
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

Explanations of the so-called 'anomalies' in the Apollo photos:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iang ... moon01.htm

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-08-06 09:49am

Azeron wrote:I never had an idea that anyone thought that the moon landing was a hoax until I was a senior in college, and I was tutoring the daughter of the nigrean consulate ...

(Azeron's shameless attempt to hijack this thread into a nationalistic "America Rulez!" and Nigeria-bashing thread deleted. Stay on topic)- Darth Wong

And whats to stop you from inserting racist comments off the bat to
try and make someone look bad?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-08-06 11:53pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Azeron wrote:I never had an idea that anyone thought that the moon landing was a hoax until I was a senior in college, and I was tutoring the daughter of the nigrean consulate ...

(Azeron's shameless attempt to hijack this thread into a nationalistic "America Rulez!" and Nigeria-bashing thread deleted. Stay on topic)- Darth Wong
And whats to stop you from inserting racist comments off the bat to
try and make someone look bad?

Nothing except his own honesty. Of course, if he did start abusing power that way, you'd have the same choice everyone else has - complain that this was being done, and then vote with your feet and leave.

'Course, this is somewhat off-topic for the thread too - but unlike Az's is stuff it isn't ridiculously long-winded, and people can skip over it easily.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-07 09:50am

MKSheppard wrote:And whats to stop you from inserting racist comments off the bat to try and make someone look bad?

Since I haven't done that to anyone before, what makes you think I would start?

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-08-07 11:37am

(Darth Wong)
"Since I haven't done that to anyone before, what makes you think I would start?"

Because that's what he would do in the same position.

http://groups.google.com/archives

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-08-08 03:54pm

Omega-13 wrote:or will there be an accident, as in, shot down by a laser, so no projectile can be tracked....

That's exactly what all those conspiracists and people who just hate America and it's accomplishments are going to say if the Japanese statelite malfunctions, or if they so get to the moon and map the surface, they are just going to say that nasa payed off the Japanese goverment or something to fake the pictures.