Predator vs. Boba Fett

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2003-01-09 05:14am

hunter against hunter who wins(the setting is on Coruscant)?

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-09 05:20am

I win!!!

Seriously! Cancel the cloacking device of the Predator because Boba's helmet has several vision types. So he would see the Predator even if it's cloaked.

In a technical battle both side has some interesting weaponry but Boba Fett is a tricky guy so if he doesn't go into hand-to-hand combat with the Predator he will win.

Otherwise the Predator rips his head off in close combat...

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-09 03:30pm

i think i'd be a pretty even fight. The predator has the size and strength advantage but Boba is a smart man and would know the lay of the land better.

In the end i think Boba would take it on the basis that Coruscant would be a tricky arena for the Predator.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-09 04:12pm

This is no contest. Boba knows Coruscant, Dredlocks doesn't. Boba can fly (no small advantage in a largely vertical environment), Dredlocks can't. Boba can undoubtedly defeat Dredlocks' stealth system if he has stormtrooper-like helmet sensors. Each of them can probably take out the other with a single shot, but Boba is more mobile and therefore harder to hit. And finally, Boba is a ruthless bounty hunter, while Dredlocks is a hunter, and has some oddball code of honour.

The Predator goes down before he even has time to activate his self-destruct.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-01-09 05:34pm

Sounds like a close one to me; though Fett would have a home court advantage.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-01-09 05:42pm

Boba knows Coruscant, Dredlocks doesn't.

You never know, they might even have people in the Galatic Senate like the E.T.s (In which case he might know Coruscant).

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-09 06:10pm

Darth Wong wrote:This is no contest. Boba knows Coruscant, Dredlocks doesn't. Boba can fly (no small advantage in a largely vertical environment), Dredlocks can't. Boba can undoubtedly defeat Dredlocks' stealth system if he has stormtrooper-like helmet sensors. Each of them can probably take out the other with a single shot, but Boba is more mobile and therefore harder to hit. And finally, Boba is a ruthless bounty hunter, while Dredlocks is a hunter, and has some oddball code of honour.

The Predator goes down before he even has time to activate his self-destruct.

That all depends. Coruscant is a BIG place. There is no way for any single person to be 100% familiar with every area of it.

In addition, if the Predator is hunting Boba, he's going to take the time to know the lay of the land, as it were. Particularly in the area he choses as his base.

The mobility of Boba's backpack is offset by both the Predator's superhuman agility, and the generally close-quarters of Cityfighting, particularly in a place like Coruscant.

And the Predator's sense of honor will mean little in this fight. Predator Honor basically means you fight your opponent single-handedly, and on even terms. The more weapons(or People) Boba Fett brings out, the more weapons the Predator will bring in return. Boba brings an E-Web and concussion missiles, the Pred will bring a Plasma rifle and grenades. He wants to use Slave I, The Predator will bring his ship into the game.

It basically comes down to the age and experience of the Predator that goes after him. A young hunter will likely go down, but someone like Broken Tusk would eat Fett alive.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-09 06:23pm

This was decided years ago.

Have a good laugh. Grudge-Match rules.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-09 08:11pm

I wouldn't be sure Bobba could see the predator. They had to use phemoin trackers and rely on sensors info relyed to them thru a command base in order to find him. Its more than likely he bends othe types of radition other than visible light. Unless Bobba fett has motion trackers of some type.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-09 09:49pm

Mobility is worthless in a city? Moreover, useless in Coruscant?!

Samas, while the mobility of say, a tank is worthless in a heavy urban enviroment, a soldiers ability to duck behind cover is invaluable. And urbans areas are full of handy cover.

Moreover, this isn't merely 'Tank vs. Sports Car' mobility. This is full flight. The ability of flight in a largely verticle arena like Coruscant cannot be overstated.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-09 10:14pm

SAMAS wrote:That all depends. Coruscant is a BIG place. There is no way for any single person to be 100% familiar with every area of it.

But Boba Fett will be able to find his way around better than the Predator in any given location.

In addition, if the Predator is hunting Boba, he's going to take the time to know the lay of the land, as it were. Particularly in the area he choses as his base.

Slothful assertion without evidence. The Predator simply dropped into Los Angeles and a jungle and commenced with the killing. There is no indication that he did surveillance of the land. I didn't see him with a piece of paper, drawing the jungle as he went along, did you?

The mobility of Boba's backpack is offset by both the Predator's superhuman agility, and the generally close-quarters of Cityfighting, particularly in a place like Coruscant.

Coruscant is anything but close-quarters. Again, Boba Fett's vertical mobility gives him the ability to take the combat out of close-quarters.[/quote]

And the Predator's sense of honor will mean little in this fight. Predator Honor basically means you fight your opponent single-handedly, and on even terms. The more weapons(or People) Boba Fett brings out, the more weapons the Predator will bring in return. Boba brings an E-Web and concussion missiles, the Pred will bring a Plasma rifle and grenades. He wants to use Slave I, The Predator will bring his ship into the game.

All of which is completely undefined. What capabilities does the Predator's ship have? When did he ever use plasma rifles and grenades? We have no evidence of any of this. We do have evidence of Fett's considerable arsenal, so the Predator loses.

It basically comes down to the age and experience of the Predator that goes after him. A young hunter will likely go down, but someone like Broken Tusk would eat Fett alive.

Explain how this would be accomplished when Fett is cherry-picking him from 20 meters over his head.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-10 09:51am

Durandal wrote:
SAMAS wrote:That all depends. Coruscant is a BIG place. There is no way for any single person to be 100% familiar with every area of it.
But Boba Fett will be able to find his way around better than the Predator in any given location.

Not really. The Predator is more agile than Fett, and if they don't know the lay of the land, will get along with about equal ability. That is to say, about as much as any heavily-armed person in armor can.

In addition, if the Predator is hunting Boba, he's going to take the time to know the lay of the land, as it were. Particularly in the area he choses as his base.

Slothful assertion without evidence. The Predator simply dropped into Los Angeles and a jungle and commenced with the killing. There is no indication that he did surveillance of the land. I didn't see him with a piece of paper, drawing the jungle as he went along, did you?

After he stowed his ship in the sewers. In addition, he had a meat-packing plant staked out for feeding. That's where the soldiers tried to ambush him. You remember how badly that went, didn't you? The Predator moved and killed at will.

The mobility of Boba's backpack is offset by both the Predator's superhuman agility, and the generally close-quarters of Cityfighting, particularly in a place like Coruscant.
Coruscant is anything but close-quarters. Again, Boba Fett's vertical mobility gives him the ability to take the combat out of close-quarters.

Depends on where the Predator chooses to attack. If he brings the fight to the lower levels, it's going to be close. If he tries to take it to the rooftops, it's going to be more open.

And if Boba flies away, the best he's going to do is end the fight. The Predator is not going to stay in one place and let Boba take potshots at him from the air. Next time, the backpack takes a hit from the shoulder cannon. At worst, the Pred is going to cloak and start sniping.

And the Predator's sense of honor will mean little in this fight. Predator Honor basically means you fight your opponent single-handedly, and on even terms. The more weapons(or People) Boba Fett brings out, the more weapons the Predator will bring in return. Boba brings an E-Web and concussion missiles, the Pred will bring a Plasma rifle and grenades. He wants to use Slave I, The Predator will bring his ship into the game.
All of which is completely undefined. What capabilities does the Predator's ship have? When did he ever use plasma rifles and grenades? We have no evidence of any of this. We do have evidence of Fett's considerable arsenal, so the Predator loses.

Actually, they used them(as well as full body armor) in Aliens Vs. Predator: War. A Group of Predators(Including Machiko Noguchi from the original Aliens Vs. Predator) attack a Xenomorph hive to extract it's Queen.

For this Expedition, the ritual laws of matching the Quarry weapon for weapon are suspended. Plasma-casters and lasers replace the Nagaitas and Scatter Guns prescribed for hunting bugs.

This is no hunting trip -- This is War!

During the battle, a team of thirteen Predators(plus Machiko) use large plasma rifles, full body armor, shoulder and arm-mounted lasers, and grenades to assault the hive. In particular, the grenade is used to blow a hole in the hive large enough for three predators to walk through. Their ship uses a plasma cannon to help clear the area for the Predators to disembark. They go in, slaughter the Aliens, and literally drag the queen out of the hive and back to the ship.

It basically comes down to the age and experience of the Predator that goes after him. A young hunter will likely go down, but someone like Broken Tusk would eat Fett alive.
Explain how this would be accomplished when Fett is cherry-picking him from 20 meters over his head.

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Easy.

If he's going to try something that stupid, cloak, move to another location, and while he's searching for it, snipe the jetpack off his back.

Or better yet, headshot before Fett even knows he's there.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-10 11:32am

SAMAS wrote:
Not really. The Predator is more agile than Fett, and if they don't know the lay of the land, will get along with about equal ability. That is to say, about as much as any heavily-armed person in armor can.

Boba Fett has a jetpack. The Predator does not. Boba Fett is more agile.

After he stowed his ship in the sewers. In addition, he had a meat-packing plant staked out for feeding. That's where the soldiers tried to ambush him. You remember how badly that went, didn't you? The Predator moved and killed at will.

Red herring. How he came back to his own hideout and found things odd, then had the good sense to change vision modes, has nothing to do with whether he surveys/plans anything.

Depends on where the Predator chooses to attack. If he brings the fight to the lower levels, it's going to be close. If he tries to take it to the rooftops, it's going to be more open.

Who's hunting who anyway?

And if Boba flies away, the best he's going to do is end the fight. The Predator is not going to stay in one place and let Boba take potshots at him from the air. Next time, the backpack takes a hit from the shoulder cannon. At worst, the Pred is going to cloak and start sniping.

Boba Fett's helmet isn't just there for show. That thing on the side of his helmet is a targeting rangefinder, and has the advantage of not having a visible laser beam that gives you away. In addition, the shoulder cannon is slower than Boba Fett's EE-3 blaster carbine.

Actually, they used them(as well as full body armor) in Aliens Vs. Predator: War. A Group of Predators(Including Machiko Noguchi from the original Aliens Vs. Predator) attack a Xenomorph hive to extract it's Queen.

For this Expedition, the ritual laws of matching the Quarry weapon for weapon are suspended. Plasma-casters and lasers replace the Nagaitas and Scatter Guns prescribed for hunting bugs.

This is no hunting trip -- This is War!

During the battle, a team of thirteen Predators(plus Machiko) use large plasma rifles, full body armor, shoulder and arm-mounted lasers, and grenades to assault the hive. In particular, the grenade is used to blow a hole in the hive large enough for three predators to walk through. Their ship uses a plasma cannon to help clear the area for the Predators to disembark. They go in, slaughter the Aliens, and literally drag the queen out of the hive and back to the ship.

Why would a lone Predator treat Boba Fett, a human, the way he treats a xenomorphy colony with all it's buddies?

Easy.

If he's going to try something that stupid, cloak, move to another location, and while he's searching for it, snipe the jetpack off his back.

Or better yet, headshot before Fett even knows he's there.

Fett's helmet. Big bloody obvious tri-dot targeting. Loud sound of plasma caster. Demonstrate that the shoulder cannon can hit Fett reliably while flying at speed. Those plasma caster bolts are SLOWWWWWWWWWWW.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-10 12:45pm

Vympel wrote:
SAMAS wrote:
Not really. The Predator is more agile than Fett, and if they don't know the lay of the land, will get along with about equal ability. That is to say, about as much as any heavily-armed person in armor can.
Boba Fett has a jetpack. The Predator does not. Boba Fett is more agile.

No, that means that Boba Fett can go up without anything to hold on to. Neither Boba in RotJ or Jango in AotC showed much agility, much less speed, with their jetpacks.

After he stowed his ship in the sewers. In addition, he had a meat-packing plant staked out for feeding. That's where the soldiers tried to ambush him. You remember how badly that went, didn't you? The Predator moved and killed at will.
Red herring. How he came back to his own hideout and found things odd, then had the good sense to change vision modes, has nothing to do with whether he surveys/plans anything.

But that wasn't his hideout. That was just his eating spot.

And even if it was, that was exactly my point. He's going to have intimate knowledge of where he's going to spend the majority of his time.

Depends on where the Predator chooses to attack. If he brings the fight to the lower levels, it's going to be close. If he tries to take it to the rooftops, it's going to be more open.
Who's hunting who anyway?

Does it matter? If the Predator is hunting Fett, he just waits until Boba is in the right spot. If Fett is after him, all he needs to do is lead him into the area of his choosing.

And if Boba flies away, the best he's going to do is end the fight. The Predator is not going to stay in one place and let Boba take potshots at him from the air. Next time, the backpack takes a hit from the shoulder cannon. At worst, the Pred is going to cloak and start sniping.
Boba Fett's helmet isn't just there for show. That thing on the side of his helmet is a targeting rangefinder, and has the advantage of not having a visible laser beam that gives you away.

And? If Boba takes off, the Pred is going to move for cover, and slip into the shadows. Then, it's a matter of if Boba can find his new location before the Predator finds him.

In addition, the shoulder cannon is slower than Boba Fett's EE-3 blaster carbine.

And it's still faster than Boba's jetpack.

Actually, they used them(as well as full body armor) in Aliens Vs. Predator: War. A Group of Predators(Including Machiko Noguchi from the original Aliens Vs. Predator) attack a Xenomorph hive to extract it's Queen.

For this Expedition, the ritual laws of matching the Quarry weapon for weapon are suspended. Plasma-casters and lasers replace the Nagaitas and Scatter Guns prescribed for hunting bugs.

This is no hunting trip -- This is War!

During the battle, a team of thirteen Predators(plus Machiko) use large plasma rifles, full body armor, shoulder and arm-mounted lasers, and grenades to assault the hive. In particular, the grenade is used to blow a hole in the hive large enough for three predators to walk through. Their ship uses a plasma cannon to help clear the area for the Predators to disembark. They go in, slaughter the Aliens, and literally drag the queen out of the hive and back to the ship.
Why would a lone Predator treat Boba Fett, a human, the way he treats a xenomorphy colony with all it's buddies?

See Predator Honor. If the Soft Meat(That's Predator for Humans, by the way) wants to make itself Hard Meat, the Predator will similarly up his game.

Easy.

If he's going to try something that stupid, cloak, move to another location, and while he's searching for it, snipe the jetpack off his back.

Or better yet, headshot before Fett even knows he's there.
Fett's helmet. Big bloody obvious tri-dot targeting. Loud sound of plasma caster. Demonstrate that the shoulder cannon can hit Fett reliably while flying at speed. Those plasma caster bolts are SLOWWWWWWWWWWW.

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And Fett flies SLOWWWWWWWWWWWER. And he doesn't fly 24-7.

And that targeting laser isn't that obvious when it's on the back of your head.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 01:16pm

Prove both his speed is slow in comparison to anything the Predator has...

Oh wait the Pred can't fly.

And did you see RoTJ?...Can't go up without anything to hold onto?!!

And even if it was, that was exactly my point. He's going to have intimate knowledge of where he's going to spend the majority of his time

Also red herring...you're giving the Predator intimate knowledge of a place he has never been too, why?

As for who's hunting who...let's just give Fett has a bounty to kill the Pred, Pred is out to kill.

So in that and...the advantage is what?

Ah move into shadows...and Fett, a trained bounty hunter is somehow not going to use his helmets sensors to detect this being who emits a good deal of heat...why again?

Also what the hell is the tangent...faster than the jet pack...if he's got him in his sights, Fett fires...Pred dies. His gun has a better refire than shoulder cannon. Your point about being faster than the jetpack...even though you offer no show of how this so, yet presume it is so.

So you're upping the weaponry...fine the Fett has full usage of Slave-1...he still wins.

All in all you're still ignoring that the Predator has NO flight capabilities and is in an enviroment that is largely vertical...he's screwed in more ways than one.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-10 01:58pm

Excuse me? You're the ones claiming that Fett's jetpack is faster than the Bolts of the Predator's shoulder cannon. So the burden of proof is on you.

Here's a hint. Check the Barge Scene on RotJ and the Dock Scene on AotC, and compare them with the shots taken in Predator's I and II.

In addition, the Predator has shown greater speed, strength, and agility, including jumping ability that matches several comic and anime characters. This, by the way, is superior to a clonetrooper prototype with a jetpack that malfunctions when you tap it in the wrong spot.

You're also making the mistake of assuming the Predator is going to just come at him in the open from ground level... something a Predator has never done unless absolutely necessary.

And if you want to try claiming that Fett's superior to the Predator because he's a trained hunter, remember that the Predator comes from an entire culture where hunting everything from beasts to sentients to Xenoporphs is a way of life.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 02:02pm

You are making the claim that Pred will win even though Fett has easily equal tech and has a much better idea of Coruscant and can fly.

And for twisting words bizanatch Vympel's words were.

Boba Fett has a jetpack. The Predator does not. Boba Fett is more agile.

Please tell me, how that statement exclaims Fett's Jetpack allows him to avcoid bolts when it was you who brought up that it's slower then the Jetpack with no evidence whatsoever.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 02:05pm

Oh sorry Faster than the jetpack...so please your proof that the Pred Shoulder cannon is so much faster that Fett will be able to avoid said things?

I mean you were the one bringing it up or is this not your words

And it's still faster than Boba's jetpack.

in reference to

In addition, the shoulder cannon is slower than Boba Fett's EE-3 blaster carbine.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-10 03:01pm

Ghost Rider wrote:You are making the claim that Pred will win even though Fett has easily equal tech and has a much better idea of Coruscant and can fly.

And for twisting words bizanatch Vympel's words were.

Boba Fett has a jetpack. The Predator does not. Boba Fett is more agile.
Please tell me, how that statement exclaims Fett's Jetpack allows him to avcoid bolts when it was you who brought up that it's slower then the Jetpack with no evidence whatsoever.

Actually, the quote I was referring to was:

Demonstrate that the shoulder cannon can hit Fett reliably while flying at speed. Those plasma caster bolts are SLOWWWWWWWWWWW.

The bolts from the Predator's gun are at least two, if not more, times as fast as Boba, or Jango's flight speed. As neither Fett has shown much speed in changing directions, it's a simple matter of tracking his flight path, and shooting him.

Here's a hint. When one is not trying to snipe an opponent, one does not need as much time to aim.

I'm fighting the old cop-out of: "Since Person A has a jetpack, and Person B doesn't, all Person A has to do is fly up and shoot B from the air!" by showing that there are far too many ways for Person B to tag Person A anyway that it doesn't matter.

For those who weren't paying attention, they are as follows:

Shooting him in midair
Attacking from another(probably higher) angle
Leaving the battlefield and striking again later, this time either killing him or disabling the pack before it can be activated.

Which comes back to what I said in the end of my very first post: It comes down to the skill and experience of the Predator.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 03:06pm

So in a Vertical dominant enviroment...the ability to achieve any sort of flight is useless

Nice to see your sense of logic is working since you basically are saying because the Pred has no experience of the planet and is in an enviroment he is not suited for all he has to do is some research while the other opponent who has such knowledge and can manuver on a vertical basis is going to what?

Sit there and let him

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-10 03:14pm

SAMAS shows his usual level of utter incompetence. If a shot is faster than the craft(or person), the person can't dodge. Riiiiiight. It's called diving to the side, moron boy.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-10 03:21pm

the fast of the matter is this Jango fought a Jedi master to a stand-still (obi-wan), Boba is trained even better and i really doubt a Predator can do better.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-10 03:32pm

SAMAS wrote:The bolts from the Predator's gun are at least two, if not more, times as fast as Boba, or Jango's flight speed. As neither Fett has shown much speed in changing directions, it's a simple matter of tracking his flight path, and shooting him.

Every time we see the Predator fire his shoulder gun, the bolt slowly meanders toward a stationary target. This is unsurprising, given the amount of time it takes for him to lock on to a target.

When Jango first makes his appearance to the Jedi, he rockets away at considerable speed.

Jango starts out where the red circle is and rockets up with a trajectory indicated by the red arrow.

Roughly 1 second later (23 frames), Jango has covered about 12 meters (very rough scaling work, but it should be close enough). This makes for an acceleration of 12 m/s^2, or 1.2 g's. When did we see the Predator hit a Corvette accelerating from a standstill, again?

Here's a hint. When one is not trying to snipe an opponent, one does not need as much time to aim.

Which is irrelevant, since every time we see the Predator use his fancy shoulder cannon, it takes him upwards of 5 seconds to achieve a lock. Not to mention that he literally gives himself away by painting three red dots on his target, which stay there for almost 5 seconds! Fett could be 150 meters above him by the time he gets around to firing!

I'm fighting the old cop-out of: "Since Person A has a jetpack, and Person B doesn't, all Person A has to do is fly up and shoot B from the air!" by showing that there are far too many ways for Person B to tag Person A anyway that it doesn't matter.

You're a fucking moron. Fett can go anywhere he wishes faster than the Predator. He could go from building top to building top and roast the Predator while he's busy climbing with his "superior agility."

Shooting him in midair

That's certainly one way of doing it. He could also leash him with his grappling hook and fly him way up high and then just drop his ass.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-10 03:52pm

SirNitram wrote:SAMAS shows his usual level of utter incompetence. If a shot is faster than the craft(or person), the person can't dodge. Riiiiiight. It's called diving to the side, moron boy.

Okay, and when can you show me Boba or Jango quickly moving to the side while in midair, dumb-butt?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 03:55pm

Huh...notice he says nothing about being in mid-air dumbass.