I’m Quaker, or at least the attempt was made to raise me Quaker. Touchy feely is not how I would describe it. I guess the idea of people speaking to each other as a method of worship might be too open for some people, but you’re never under any obligation to say a thing, ever and a typical meeting shouldn’t have more then a handful of messages to begin with. Some Meeting Houses actually do have programed worship with sermons anyway; Quakers are not totally homogenous in beliefs.Discombobulated wrote:The Quakers always seemed pretty cool to me. I just saw an editorial about some facets of Quaker ideology in the American Physical Society newsletter, of all places, and the ed rubbed me the wrong way, but at least "be extra extra nice to people" is much better than "you're going to hell". The religion is way too touchy-feely for me, but it's probably the best I can do.
Religion that appeals to you?
Moderator: Alyrium Denryle
- Sea Skimmer
- Yankee Capitalist Air Pirate
- Posts: 37390
- Joined: 2002-07-03 11:49pm
- Location: Passchendaele City, HAB
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
- Guardsman Bass
- Cowardly Codfish
- Posts: 9281
- Joined: 2002-07-07 12:01am
- Location: Beneath the Deepest Sea
A kind of pantheism combined with deism has always appealed to me, for largely irrational reasons.
“It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.”
-Jean-Luc Picard
"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."
-Margaret Atwood
-Jean-Luc Picard
"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."
-Margaret Atwood
-
- Padawan Learner
- Posts: 209
- Joined: 2005-08-08 12:14am
- Location: Prague , Czech Republic
- Contact:
I would probably start worshipping Thor, Odin and all this bunch of Norse gods. I don't know why , but I like the mythology and they seem not to demand much, well nothing probably except to die honorably in battle ( which is kind of hard to do for me ). Even though I am an atheist I am considering worshipping them just for fun , but I probably won't since I am too lazy
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move." Douglas Adams
"When smashing momuments, save the pedestals - they always come in handy." Stanislaw Lem
"When smashing momuments, save the pedestals - they always come in handy." Stanislaw Lem
- chitoryu12
- Jedi Council Member
- Posts: 1997
- Joined: 2005-12-19 09:34pm
- Location: Florida
- TithonusSyndrome
- Sith Devotee
- Posts: 2569
- Joined: 2006-10-10 08:15pm
- Location: The Money Store
Pantheism?TithonusSyndrome wrote:That one religion that involves absolutely no appeal to supernatural forces whatsoever. You know, that one.
Anyway, yeah, I'd opt for pantheism. Buddhism isn't great when you get down to it, all that junk about material things holding you back and the ideal being the extinction of individuality is a pretty lousy teaching if you ask me. Also, in ww2, there was a lot of support from the buddhist councils regarding japanese imperial doctrine and the treatment of the emperor as an enlightened being. It was also the shinto and buddhist priests that indoctrinated the suciide bombers, i.e. the kamikaze "divine wind" pilots.
EBC|Fucking Metal|Artist|Androgynous Sexfiend|Gozer Kvltist|
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
- TithonusSyndrome
- Sith Devotee
- Posts: 2569
- Joined: 2006-10-10 08:15pm
- Location: The Money Store
In all honesty, is pantheism a religious belief? I thought of mentioning it, but seeing as how it was a serious philosophical proposal that Spinoza forwarded and not some tribal mythology that adapted to meet the tastes of the each era since it's inception, I thought otherwise.Rye wrote:Pantheism?TithonusSyndrome wrote:That one religion that involves absolutely no appeal to supernatural forces whatsoever. You know, that one.
I don't know of any religions out there that have the level of abuses that Christianity and Islam have against the Jewish faith.Mange wrote: I certainly don't dispute that (Christianity is deplorable in that sense), what I meant was that religion tends to spawn extremism. But I agree, Buddhism is much, much more moderate and tolerant compared with any of the Abrahamic faiths.
Isn't it funny funny how related groups fight among themselves the most violently?
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
- Metatwaddle
- Jedi Council Member
- Posts: 1910
- Joined: 2003-07-07 07:29am
- Location: Up the Amazon on a Rubber Duck
- Contact:
I suppose I got a distorted view of it from my aunt, who's Quaker and very... emotionally focused. I don't have any problem with people speaking to each other as a method of worship; in fact it sounds better than the conventional church services where you recite the same prayers every week and/or just listen to someone droning on and on.Sea Skimmer wrote:I’m Quaker, or at least the attempt was made to raise me Quaker. Touchy feely is not how I would describe it. I guess the idea of people speaking to each other as a method of worship might be too open for some people, but you’re never under any obligation to say a thing, ever and a typical meeting shouldn’t have more then a handful of messages to begin with. Some Meeting Houses actually do have programed worship with sermons anyway; Quakers are not totally homogenous in beliefs.Discombobulated wrote:The Quakers always seemed pretty cool to me. I just saw an editorial about some facets of Quaker ideology in the American Physical Society newsletter, of all places, and the ed rubbed me the wrong way, but at least "be extra extra nice to people" is much better than "you're going to hell". The religion is way too touchy-feely for me, but it's probably the best I can do.
One thing I would have trouble getting past, though, is the consensus-based method of making decisions. It sounds extremely hard to get anything done.
Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things... their number is negligible and they are stupid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower
- Ritterin Sophia
- Sith Acolyte
- Posts: 5496
- Joined: 2006-07-25 09:32am
-
- Village Idiot
- Posts: 4046
- Joined: 2005-06-15 12:21am
- Location: The Abyss
Plaugg the Mediocre from the Ebeneezum/Wuntvor humerous fantasy series. Why ? Because he's all about mediocrity and indifference. He wouldn't care about what I did, wouldn't demand impressive deeds or demand worship or much of anything. He sure wouldn't smite me for anything short of punching him in the face, and even then there's a good chance he'd dither over what to do about it and get distracted. It took an invasion form Hell ( rather, the Netherhells ) to get this guy moderately ( of course ! ) worked up; he's not gonna demand I get up from my computer and crusade against somebody.
Well, it's certainly not a tribal mythology and is more solidly based in naturalistic philosophy, it could be argued it's a religion since it covers the religious questions and experiences and values them to some extent.TithonusSyndrome wrote:In all honesty, is pantheism a religious belief? I thought of mentioning it, but seeing as how it was a serious philosophical proposal that Spinoza forwarded and not some tribal mythology that adapted to meet the tastes of the each era since it's inception, I thought otherwise.Rye wrote:Pantheism?TithonusSyndrome wrote:That one religion that involves absolutely no appeal to supernatural forces whatsoever. You know, that one.
There's also deism or Epicurus' polydeism "the gods exist but they don't interfere in human affairs."
EBC|Fucking Metal|Artist|Androgynous Sexfiend|Gozer Kvltist|
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
- Dooey Jo
- Sith Devotee
- Posts: 3127
- Joined: 2002-08-09 01:09pm
- Location: The land beyond the forest; Sweden.
- Contact:
That's a bit of a strange question. Arguably, there are several religions which have mostly good ideas, but I am not an adherent to them not because I don't believe in some god, but because I can make up my own mind about what I think a good life constitutes, and how to be moral. I don't need a religious authority to tell me that. That is what would have to change for me, not necessarily my atheism, and that's a rather enormous change. That said, Taoism seems pretty nice (though I have admittedly not studied it to any large degree, so it could actually well be horrible), or Zen (because, even though you'd probably be spouting a lot of bullshit, at least people will think it sounds cool, except when it gets annoying).
If I instead could choose a religion I'd want to be true, that would be a more interesting question.
If I instead could choose a religion I'd want to be true, that would be a more interesting question.
"Nippon ichi, bitches! Boing-boing."
Mai smote the demonic fires of heck...
Faker Ninjas invented ninjitsu
Mai smote the demonic fires of heck...
Faker Ninjas invented ninjitsu
- TithonusSyndrome
- Sith Devotee
- Posts: 2569
- Joined: 2006-10-10 08:15pm
- Location: The Money Store
Would Hulagu Khan telling the Baghdad calphate in 1258 that they should surrender or "see what God has willed", and then massacring hundreds of thousands of Arabs and destroying the library in a fit of anti-intellectualism count?Darth Wong wrote:Did they do it in the name of Buddhism, or did they just happen to be nominally Buddhist the way 90% of Americans are nominally Christian? You could replace pretty much any American crime story with "Christian does <insert crime here>" if you wanted to. It's different when you can actually tie the crime to the religion.Mange wrote:Well, IIRC it was on the news some time ago that Buddhists burned down some churches in an Asian country (Cambodia or Bangladesh as well as churches in Sri Lanka).
In my college days I was fairly politically active in peace and anti-death-penalty activism (among other issues) in the Philadelphia area, where there is a small Quaker community. I generally found them to be really really nice, but also absolutely infuriating. Whenever we were trying to put coalitions together, they always insisted on consensus for everything, which is a trait they share with anarchists.Discombobulated wrote:I suppose I got a distorted view of it from my aunt, who's Quaker and very... emotionally focused. I don't have any problem with people speaking to each other as a method of worship; in fact it sounds better than the conventional church services where you recite the same prayers every week and/or just listen to someone droning on and on.
One thing I would have trouble getting past, though, is the consensus-based method of making decisions. It sounds extremely hard to get anything done.
It does make things impossible as you'd guess. Not just because of the sheer amount of arguing you have to do, but because it's not enough to "mostly convince" someone. Because as soon as they start having doubts they end up wrecking the whole plan of action -- because the Quakers want to stop and discuss it again.
Gozer worship also appeals to me, a beautiful androgynous deity of destruction with a demonic entourage. Plus there's always the chance I'll get to choose how the world ends, which has lots of interesting possibilities.
EBC|Fucking Metal|Artist|Androgynous Sexfiend|Gozer Kvltist|
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
-
- Village Idiot
- Posts: 906
- Joined: 2007-05-08 12:25pm
- Location: metavac@comcast.net
-
- Village Idiot
- Posts: 906
- Joined: 2007-05-08 12:25pm
- Location: metavac@comcast.net
-
- Village Idiot
- Posts: 906
- Joined: 2007-05-08 12:25pm
- Location: metavac@comcast.net
- General Zod
- Never Shuts Up
- Posts: 29211
- Joined: 2003-11-18 03:08pm
- Location: The Clearance Rack
- Contact:
Judaism would be somewhat tolerable if they could get over their penis mutilation fetish.metavac wrote:Judaism. Southern Baptist and AME Zionist tie for second, if only for the Sunday afternoon spread.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
To quote from Vinz Klortho: "During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveler came as a large, moving Torb. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants, they chose a new form for him - that of a giant Sloar. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you. ”metavac wrote:What's Gozer?
After World War I, an insane surgeon named Ivo Shandor, leader of a secret apocalyptic cult, designed a ziggurat disguised as a massive apartment building in New York City (55 Central Park West) for the specific purpose of gathering psychokinetic energy (PKE) that would power a portal that would allow Gozer and its minions to enter the world and destroy it.
By 1984, the building had gathered enough energy to pull Zuul and Vinz Clortho through. The two planned to possess suitable humans to open the portal on top of the building to let Gozer through. Because of this, the PKE level in the surrounding area was a few thousand times greater than normal. As a byproduct, numerous ghosts were 'revived' and became active throughout the city as they waited to join their new master.
EBC|Fucking Metal|Artist|Androgynous Sexfiend|Gozer Kvltist|
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus