Star wars Christmas special

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-01-10 07:06pm

Should it be considered as Canon Vs debating material?

I mean it was created by GL and is onscreen(well if you can find a copy anymore.)

Heh Figured this place would be as good as any to ask.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-10 07:07pm

Hell, no!

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-01-10 07:10pm

Darth Servo wrote:Hell, no!

I'll take that as a concession?:D

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-10 07:17pm

Laird wrote:I'll take that as a concession?:D

No, you'll take it to mean you can take the Christmas special and shove it up your ass.

Post by **Steve** » 2003-01-10 07:18pm

Ah, the Star Wars Holiday Special..... Mankind's most effective and terrifying instrument of torture.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-01-10 07:22pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Laird wrote:I'll take that as a concession?:D
No, you'll take it to mean you can take the Christmas special and shove it up your ass.

Aw boohoo some nobody Noob doesn't like the fact the SW has a dark side that makes it look weak and pisspoor too bad it exisits and you gotta deal with it.

Jefferson starship>>>>ISD.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-10 07:24pm

Let us not forget the Ewok movies as well.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-10 07:25pm

Steve wrote:Ah, the Star Wars Holiday Special..... Mankind's most effective and terrifying instrument of torture.

My angry family made me turn it off when it aired. Mom and dad could put up with a lot, but IIRC I didn't need much coercion on that one.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-01-10 07:39pm

Not only that but I am sure that there used to be an Ewoks cartoon that aired on Saturday mornings. You have to count them as cannon too!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-10 07:47pm

If it has been stated to be non canon by GL or Lucasfilm/arts/books etc then no otherwise the rules of canon seem rather clear.

What could it possibly add however? I only remember some singing and so on, but a number of inbuilt safety systems have erased the actual content from my memory so I may be wrong.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-10 09:19pm

Laird wrote:some nobody Noob .

You have less then a month on him, so you are in no position to talk. Hell given the newness of these boards, nobody has room to call anyone a n00b.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-10 09:21pm

Laird wrote:Should it be considered as Canon Vs debating material?

I mean it was created by GL and is onscreen(well if you can find a copy anymore.)

Heh Figured this place would be as good as any to ask.

Although absolutely NO ONE likes it, it's almost impossible to challenge its canonicity. I consider it to be canonical, for the purposes of debates.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-10 09:23pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Laird wrote:Should it be considered as Canon Vs debating material?

I mean it was created by GL and is onscreen(well if you can find a copy anymore.)

Heh Figured this place would be as good as any to ask.
Although absolutely NO ONE likes it, it's almost impossible to challenge its canonicity. I consider it to be canonical, for the purposes of debates.

Why? It was officially disavoved.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-10 09:25pm

Ender wrote:Although absolutely NO ONE likes it, it's almost impossible to challenge its canonicity. I consider it to be canonical, for the purposes of debates.

Why? It was officially disavoved.[/quote]

Really? When? Is my SW Insider from only a few months ago already out of date?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-10 09:49pm

As I said on the mirror thread on SB.com...

Seriously, it's not canon nor versus material for debates. Lucas has spent no small effort trying to bury it and if the creator of the franchise claims it doesn't count, then it shouldn't count.

And really, I want to see the trekkie who seriously brings up Jefferson Starship as an anti-Imperial weapon... they'd be laughed out of the message board. I'm sure no one here is stupid enough to take it seriously.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-10 10:03pm

If lucas has stated it isn't canon then lets have the quote and put the situation to rest.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-10 10:05pm

Exact quote I don't have, but it is something to the effect that he wants every last copy burned.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-01-10 10:13pm

Ender wrote:
Laird wrote:some nobody Noob .
You have less then a month on him, so you are in no position to talk. Hell given the newness of these boards, nobody has room to call anyone a n00b.

I have ever right to call him a "Noob" I have debating for years with sd.net(not as a community) but the material.

Some guy just wants to flame me thats his problem and to me he is some nobody "noob".

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-10 11:09pm

Oh wow, what a stupid fucking argument. From what I'm seen, he's probably a thousand or so times smarter than you are. Your years of 'experience' count for something worth slightly less than shit.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-01-10 11:16pm

That was a pretty sad comeback. Sort of like, "I can say what I want so NAH!"[/img][/url]

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-01-10 11:39pm

It's mentioned here and there at starwars.com.

"Fett was one of the first new characters to be designed for The Empire Strikes Back. He can trace his origins to rejected Darth Vader concepts that once had the Dark Lord as a rogue bounty hunter. Concept artists Ralph McQuarrie and Joe Johnston were most responsible for Fett's design. He first appeared in an 11-minute animated segment of the lamentable "Star Wars Holiday Special" television broadcast in 1978."

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-01-11 12:45am

Saxton actually treats it as official. He references it in his "Death Star survivors" page, and IIRC, it was the first source to name the Wookie homeworld. Since Lucasfilm's canon policy explicitly states that only the films, scripts, novelizations, and radio dramas are canon, the Holiday Special is at best official (where it stands in regards to the rest of the EU, if it indeed hasn't been totally disavowed, is unclear). At any rate, official is overruled by canon in case of any contradiction, so we don't, as Laird so ineloquently put it, "gotta deal with it".

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-01-11 01:27am

HemlockGrey wrote:Oh wow, what a stupid fucking argument. From what I'm seen, he's probably a thousand or so times smarter than you are. Your years of 'experience' count for something worth slightly less than shit.

[sarcsam]Just wow! wow! you hurt my fraglie ego,please sir I beg you no more![/sarcsam]

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 02:16am

Who cares? What difference does the Holiday Special make anyway? Since I've never seen it, does it contain anything really stupid?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 02:17am

By the way, the official statement on canonicity is that the movies and related materials are canon. Note: MOVIES.

The last time I checked, a TV show is not considered a movie. That's why Paramount makes a point of separately listing the movies and TV shows in its statement on what constitutes true Star Trek.

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