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We once had a thread where several imaginative methods were discussed for putting him down permanently. I personally prefer 'convince Doctor Strange' to do it, but incinerating him and dropping his skeleton into concrete was popular (as I recall).Bluewolf wrote:Is there any way to kill him?!
I will always enjoy that moment. Good old Spidy - one of the most deceptive heavy hitters in comics.in a classic issue where he casually bitchslaps Wolverine (and the rest of the X-Men for that matter)
Why can't fanboys wank about that bit from Secret Wars instead it's got to be "the Hulk can lift billions of tons because he held up a fucking mountain".Ford Prefect wrote:Bluewolf wrote:I will always enjoy that moment. Good old Spidy - one of the most deceptive heavy hitters in comics.in a classic issue where he casually bitchslaps Wolverine (and the rest of the X-Men for that matter)
One last time. He kept a piece of mountain from colapsing in on them. Most of it was braced around the group so he wasn't holding up a whole mountain. 
Not to mention his scientific ingenuity. He may not be a Tony Stark or Reed Richards, but he did show considerable genius in developing his web-slingers and several kinds of webbing in his basement on a shoe-string budget while he was still in high-school.Tsyroc wrote:With his speed, strength, agility, reflexes, and his "spider sense" Spiderman could be a lot more dangerous than he usually is. It's a good thing he's a good guy.
Do we know where Peter Parker ranks? Richards is #1 and Amadeus Cho is now 7th. Is he say, top 10 if he had spent more time trying to be smart and less time being a smart ass?DesertFly wrote:Not to mention his scientific ingenuity. He may not be a Tony Stark or Reed Richards, but he did show considerable genius in developing his web-slingers and several kinds of webbing in his basement on a shoe-string budget while he was still in high-school.Tsyroc wrote:With his speed, strength, agility, reflexes, and his "spider sense" Spiderman could be a lot more dangerous than he usually is. It's a good thing he's a good guy.
OOO better yet. Fry all the tissue off his bones then take each bone and encase it in a block of adamantium then send every bone to another planet.
If I recall, he has battled the motherfucking Hulk a couple of times... to a stalemate. Give me a fucking break. Hulk is Marvel's powerhouse, on par with Thor or Gladiator, and he can't take down Lamerine.havokeff wrote: I wish someone would just rip his fucking claws out. I know they will regrow but at least he won't be able to cut through everything anymore.
The actual quote... "Now, why is my Spider-Sense tingling? Is that you again Wolvie? Dummy! NOBODY can sneak up on me--! Those pigstickers may scare the bar room bullies, but to me you're a JOKE!"Stravo wrote: Spiderman summed him up right in a classic issue where he casually bitchslaps Wolverine (and the rest of the X-Men for that matter) "You're nothing more than a thug with pig stickers in your hands."
My theory is that his healing factor functions exactly as that, it will repair any damage done to him, but it won't provide him energy to function. Hence Wolverine eats simply to get chemical energy, any other reason to consume food is a non-issue for him.Noble Ire wrote:So then why does he need to eat? I seem to recall a similar thread describing him coming close to starving to death (although, he did save himself by eating his own flesh and having it regenerate, but that's not the same thing). Wouldn't his cells simply "heal" from nutrient-deprivation?TheDarkling wrote:As absurd as it may be, he would most likely heal the damage caused by oxygen deprivation.Superman wrote:Why not just drown him?
Looks like a decent storyline there... Fuck the X Men.havokeff wrote:Nice
The problem with Rouge is that the effects of her powers fade. Once a single cell got it's healing factor back his whole body would regenerate if I understand what his current upper limit is.avatarxprime wrote:*Snip* Rogue could do it, so could Forge, or Xavier (under the influence of Onslaught) and like at least three dozen other characters.
I've always liked it too, simply because I've never liked the X-men. It's nice to know how low end they are in the grand scheme of things; frankly, for Marvel super teams I always vastly preferred the Avengers.havokeff wrote:I love that it only takes 3 pages for Spidey to kick the X-Mens's collective homo superior asses.
That's how it was explained later. The reality is that the outcome of each crossover fight was determined by fanboy voting. Uggg...Civil War Man wrote:I didn't read that comic, but wasn't Lobo paid to throw the fight?Superman wrote:Reminds of the time Lames beat Lobo... I would fucking pay to see how that fight should have turned out. Lobo would have tied his dork hair style into pig tails while fucking him in the ass.
That's the thing. For a long time they were very low end, except for Professor X and Phoenix, and Phoenix would conk out at inopportune times. As the X-Men's popularity grew the wank followed. Wolverine got the biggest bits of it but Colossus picked up a bunch too. The wank kind of spilled over into the spin-off X books as well. Every team had to have their combat monster character, their uber leader, and the person strong enough to at least piss off the Hulk. The original X-Force is excellent example of this. Not only did they have the combat monster (Shatterstar) they had their own Wolverine rip-off in Feral. Thunderbird II (Later Warpath) supposedly mutates further so he's about 5 or 6 times stronger than he was when he last appeared.Ford Prefect wrote: I've always liked it too, simply because I've never liked the X-men. It's nice to know how low end they are in the grand scheme of things; frankly, for Marvel super teams I always vastly preferred the Avengers.
Plus, Spider-Man wasn't trying to duke it out -- he was trying to skedaddle with news of the X-Men's "betrayal". I can imagine him taking out a few of the X-Men, but he certainly couldn't take down Colossus, and would have a bit of a time with Rogue. They couldn't bring out their big gun, Storm, since, well, it happened indoors, and weather control doesn't help you much indoors.OmegaGuy wrote:Well to be fair, it was stated that Spidey did so well due to a combination of the element of surprise and being in such a confined room. Professor X erased his memories immediately afterward.
Yes, because Allan Heinberg is a f***** d*** (sorry; I'm still pissed at the debacle his 'writing priorities' caused for the Wonder Woman relaunch). Not that I actually care about this mini-series; I like Wolverine, but not enough to buy either title and certaintly not enough to see wank on this level.DPDarkPrimus wrote:The miniseries is still unfinished. It was supposed to be five issues and it's been like a year since the second issue came out.
Let's be fair here: Wolverine started as an adversary for the Hulk, not an X-Man. So it's not like this just came out of nowhere.
If I recall, he has battled the motherfucking Hulk a couple of times... to a stalemate. Give me a fucking break. Hulk is Marvel's powerhouse, on par with Thor or Gladiator, and he can't take down Lamerine.
I read somewhere... I'll see if I can find it... that they had every intention of having Wolverine be one of the X-Men and used the Hulk to try him out to see how people would respond.Anguirus wrote:Let's be fair here: Wolverine started as an adversary for the Hulk, not an X-Man. So it's not like this just came out of nowhere.
If I recall, he has battled the motherfucking Hulk a couple of times... to a stalemate. Give me a fucking break. Hulk is Marvel's powerhouse, on par with Thor or Gladiator, and he can't take down Lamerine.
Ok fine. Spidey outside against the same X-Men.SCRawl wrote:Plus, Spider-Man wasn't trying to duke it out -- he was trying to skedaddle with news of the X-Men's "betrayal". I can imagine him taking out a few of the X-Men, but he certainly couldn't take down Colossus, and would have a bit of a time with Rogue. They couldn't bring out their big gun, Storm, since, well, it happened indoors, and weather control doesn't help you much indoors.OmegaGuy wrote:Well to be fair, it was stated that Spidey did so well due to a combination of the element of surprise and being in such a confined room. Professor X erased his memories immediately afterward.
Not in a straight fight, but Spidey was able to defeat The Juggernaut through quick thinking and good use of terrain; and this was before he was depowered to the point where he could push through evil Jean Grey's telekinesis and evil Cyclops' full power eye beams at the same time. Colossus might be beefy enough to take down Spiderman, but he'd have to catch him first.SCRawl wrote:but he certainly couldn't take down Colossus.
The point of mentioning Rogue or Forge is that once he lacks a healing factor you can kill him and make it permanent. Whatever mystical "fight in the afterlife" dealy is going on, it is dependent on his regeneration powers. Without his healing factor it doesn't matter if he wins in Limbo, his body won't be repairing itself.havokeff wrote:The problem with Rouge is that the effects of her powers fade. Once a single cell got it's healing factor back his whole body would regenerate if I understand what his current upper limit is.avatarxprime wrote:*Snip* Rogue could do it, so could Forge, or Xavier (under the influence of Onslaught) and like at least three dozen other characters.
And as much as I dislike Wolverine wankness, I don't think that there are 36 other Marvel heroes or villains that can kill Wolverine on their own. I'm of course limiting my thinking to Earth bound beings. I'm sure Galactus and the like could do away with him with a thought.
Spiderman can dodge fucking lightning?havokeff wrote:Storm. Yes she could bring the weather to bear on him, but it is also going to effect all the other X-Men as well, so it can't be anything catastrophic. Maybe some heavy wind to try to smash him into something, but again, with his reflexes, agility and speed, what gust of wind is going to knock him out of action? He'll just turn himself and land feet first. Lightning? Sure, if it wasn't for the Spidey sense. And although Storm is a very powerful mutant she doesn't control the lightning itself. Just causes it. Poor Colossus.
So how does he avoid creating sonic booms as he dodges shit? Are you silly? Spiderman is essentially precognitive. He doesn't have to be able to move faster than a bullet, or lightning or even a laser, simply because if he knows where they'll be ahead of time, he can move out of the way before they're even fired. Fact of the matter is, his reflexes might actually be superhuman, but that pales in comparison to the fact that he can know things before they happen.Napoleon the Clown wrote: Spiderman can dodge fucking lightning?
Ford beat me to it, but are you fucking kidding? Have you ever read a Spider-Man comic??? Pay attention to the topic too. Phoenix was not present on the battleworld of Secret Wars.Napoleon the Clown wrote:Spiderman can dodge fucking lightning?havokeff wrote:Storm. Yes she could bring the weather to bear on him, but it is also going to effect all the other X-Men as well, so it can't be anything catastrophic. Maybe some heavy wind to try to smash him into something, but again, with his reflexes, agility and speed, what gust of wind is going to knock him out of action? He'll just turn himself and land feet first. Lightning? Sure, if it wasn't for the Spidey sense. And although Storm is a very powerful mutant she doesn't control the lightning itself. Just causes it. Poor Colossus.
How about Storm drops a fucking tornado on him? I don't give a shit how quick his reflexes are. Anything short of being able to dodge hypersonic rounds at point blank range will result in eating debris. Granted this'll screw the other X-Men. Or, maybe, she could just overheat Spidey. Local 150 degree weather. Or deprive Spiderman of precious air by reducing the atmospheric pressure immediately around him. Or nail him with 318 mph winds while he's in the air. Would he be able to avoid a broken ankle hitting the fairly unforgiving surface that is a skyscraper at such speeds? Keep in mind a much more sedate speed of 120 mph is sufficient to kill a person even when hitting relatively forgiving surfaces. He's by no means invulnerable. And a broken leg will make an impact on how much he takes note of his Spidey sense. Storm has been wanked out to an absolutely absurd level. Being able to dodge bullets (at range) is useless when you can't even get your feet to the ground. (This is all assuming none of the X-Men get pissed enough to shoot Spiderman at close range, which I can find no evidence of him ever dodging. Or Phoenix turning him to paste.)
Nightcrawler could bamf onto him while he's in the air. Even if his reflexes are good enough that doesn't help much. His web lacks sufficient speed to get him out of the way. At that point one quick bamf could leave Spiderman stuck in a wall courtesy Nightcrawler Transport. Any elbowing quick enough to get rid of NC in time would be lethal, most likely.
And nevermind using the jet to just blow the bastard up.
