Smallest ship that could destroy the Federation?

[Surlethe]

My bad, I didn't know of this incident, however, there's still the matter that a Wars ship has shown the ability to shrug off three objects 1/17th it's size moving at a fraction of or greater than c and slamming into it without anyone being surprised.

Hmmmm. There seems to be a discrepancy in the numbers (or I'm not fully appreciating what's being said) on the site. According to one page "An ISD1 can unleash more than 6E19 joules (14,000 megatons) of energy with a full broadside." and according to another the Acclamator Heavy guns unleash 200 gigatons with each shot, or 8.4E20 joules - an order of magnitude per shot above an ISD1 broadside. I was working with the lower, first set of figures. If I'd worked with the second set (in which a full volley from an acclamator delivers 1E22 joules) I would have had a different picture.

Where's the contradiction between greater than 6e19 J and greater than 8e20 J?

[Batman]

Let's see-Warp travel is non-Newtonian so the whole idea is obviously faulty to begin with (as was pointed out all those previous times people came up with it), as has been pointed out not only was 6E19J a lower limit based on old data which is clearly overridden by the Acclamator numbers but there's no contradiction to begin with, we NEVER see that tactic in all of Star Trek, and no, Riker did NOT order Warp ramming in BobW. He ordered a ramming course, and Warp power.

[OmegaGuy]

Besides, I thought warp drive used mass lightening

[RTS]

Riker did NOT order Warp ramming in BobW. He ordered a ramming course, and Warp power.

Presumably he wanted the warp power for something other than the warp engines? I'd have to review the episode to see the exact words but from memory the implication that he was intending to take the ship to warp was fairly clearly.

You're right though, Newtonian physics doesn't help and neither does Einsteinian physics, since any mass travelling FTL has negative energy and last time I checked no one was quite sure what that actually is.

[Batman]

Riker did NOT order Warp ramming in BobW. He ordered a ramming course, and Warp power.

Presumably he wanted the warp power for something other than the warp engines? I'd have to review the episode to see the exact words but from memory the implication that he was intending to take the ship to warp was fairly clearly.

I couldn't care less what was supposedly implied, what Riker actually said was 'Prepare to go to Warp power'. And Trek is LOUSY with examples of using Warp power for other systems WITHOUT the Warp drive actually being engaged.

[fusion]

In Star Trek Insurrection we see that the warp drive is always on, which presumably means that mass lighting as the ship was pulled closer to the explosion which can't weight that much, so yeah...

[Batman]

In Star Trek Insurrection we see that the warp drive is always on, which presumably means that mass lighting as the ship was pulled closer to the explosion which can't weight that much, so yeah...

Excuse me? We see no such thing. We see that subspace weapon effects are somehow drawn towards a Warp core. The Warp drive not being in operation (on account of the nebula interfering with it) was something of a major plot point.

[RTS]

I couldn't care less what was supposedly implied, what Riker actually said was 'Prepare to go to Warp power'. And Trek is LOUSY with examples of using Warp power for other systems WITHOUT the Warp drive actually being engaged.

He gives an order to the helm to set a collision course and then tells Geordi to prepare to go to warp power. There's no dialogue about the warp power being diverted (the examples of warp power going somewhere else are always accompanied by dialogue) so the only conclusion that makes ANY sense is they were going to jump to warp through the cube.
Fair enough it's maybe not 100% spelled out for the audience but Star Trek keeps thing fairly dumb for the audience. There's no way the warp power was going anywhere else OTHER than the engines without them breaking it down for the audience first.

[Batman]

I couldn't care less what was supposedly implied, what Riker actually said was 'Prepare to go to Warp power'. And Trek is LOUSY with examples of using Warp power for other systems WITHOUT the Warp drive actually being engaged.

He gives an order to the helm to set a collision course and then tells Geordi to prepare to go to warp power. There's no dialogue about the warp power being diverted (the examples of warp power going somewhere else are always accompanied by dialogue) so the only conclusion that makes ANY sense is they were going to jump to warp through the cube.

The only conclusion that is actually supported by the evidence is that a) he ordered a collision course and b) he ordered Warp power.

Fair enough it's maybe not 100% spelled out for the audience but Star Trek keeps thing fairly dumb for the audience. There's no way the warp power was going anywhere else OTHER than the engines without them breaking it down for the audience first.

I couldn't possibly care less what Trek keeps how dumb for the audience. Riker never said a word about Warp speed.
And there's any number of things that make sense to feed extra power to in a ramming maneuver-shields, the SIF, impulse engines...
All we know is that Riker ordered 'Warp power'. You do NOT get to assume he intended to go to Warp speed because that is the explanation you like best.

[Ritterin Sophia]

You do NOT get to assume he intended to go to Warp speed because that is the explanation you like best.

With my limited knowledge of Trek is it possible he wanted to be a Warp Core Suicide Bomber?

[Stark]

Yeah, a possible rationalisation is that he wanted the core stuffed with properly mixed fuel, so as to better explode when the ship goes splat. A regular ram would tend to have the antimatter react inefficiently and over a longer period of time: a fully charged reactor would have perhaps several dozen torpedoes worth of balanced, arranged, M/AM reactants.

[tempest]

A simple question of how big of a rock does it take to break a ship? So defensive you've erased it. I'm not even trying to win this argument, just finding a lower threshold that a fireskip could be damaged, because energy weapons arent doing it for the feds. Just thought someone had figured it out by now.

Anyway this has been retarded, everybody is worried about shields and whatnot, and never providing an answer.. then frickin deleted... you guys are special, I mean it..

I get the hint, Ill stop posting.
Tempest

[Stark]

It's not deleted, it's in the Hall of Shame. You got cut out of the thread.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I take that as tacit admission that he did NOT read the board rules, go figure.

I mean who would've thought?

[Darth Servo]

Since Tempest obviously needs help finding it:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=110993

[phongn]

To be fair, isn't there supposed to be some indication that posts have been moved over to the HoS to prevent confusion like this?

[chitoryu12]

To be fair, isn't there supposed to be some indication that posts have been moved over to the HoS to prevent confusion like this?

Yes. It's called "Looking at the topic and seeing the [MOVED] tag on the thread." However, we have learned over the days that when someone is stupid enough to think that we delete posts that we think are stupid, they can't be expected to read the board rules.

[SirNitram]

To be fair, isn't there supposed to be some indication that posts have been moved over to the HoS to prevent confusion like this?

Yes, there is. Bad Ghostie!

[phongn]

Yes. It's called "Looking at the topic and seeing the [MOVED] tag on the thread." However, we have learned over the days that when someone is stupid enough to think that we delete posts that we think are stupid, they can't be expected to read the board rules.

The thread hasn't been moved - only a small portion excised and sent to the HOS. No marker therefore exists - hence why the moderator who did it is supposed to leave a note. It was probably just an honest mistake, really. (And before you get on my case about backseat moderating, I did use to be one)

[Ghost Rider]

Curse you phongn, I was bored and forgot that particular thing .

[chitoryu12]

Yes. It's called "Looking at the topic and seeing the [MOVED] tag on the thread." However, we have learned over the days that when someone is stupid enough to think that we delete posts that we think are stupid, they can't be expected to read the board rules.

The thread hasn't been moved - only a small portion excised and sent to the HOS. No marker therefore exists - hence why the moderator who did it is supposed to leave a note. It was probably just an honest mistake, really. (And before you get on my case about backseat moderating, I did use to be one)

Ah. Sorry for the mistake.