Superman vs. Darth Vader...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 12:03am

Who honestly knows...given that even DC universe magic is nothing more then science we cannot grasp(which is said time and time again...even by such being as Lucifer)

Literally, DC defines magic as some mystical hoohah that just is...which is why I say if by some way the Force is persay mystical under the terms of what is mystical...Superman would have to indirectly affect Vader to hit him. On the other hand if it's not...Vader explodes on the first hit.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-10 12:35am

Okay dipshit...so eariler canon now alters LATER CANON.

No, you retard. Earlier Canon still Canon! That is why it is canon! Because it still valid. DC Comics did not said that all the past of superman is erased because of recent comics. Much otherwise, his past still works. Its still valid.
Now, If you are not such a fanboy, you would learn that DC leaves the actual writer work any way he disires (no dramatical changes allowed) but he cannt change what already happened. In one year, or two, when Mark Waid contract expires the new writes may do anything and DC wont need to come in public and say anything, because it is ALL valid.

Literally read the JLA/JSA virtues and Vice...one PUNCH and Caoptain Marvel knocks Superman on his ass...and you think using an ALTERNATE REALITY BOOK PROVES YOUR POINT AGAINST CAPTAIN MARVEL?!

You are liar here. YOU USED KINGDOM COME. Not me. Morom. It is just a matter of scroll up and see who used, so go with your fake morality to the place where fanboys like you live.

He grabs Billy...note that single small phrase Dumbfuck...or learn how to read your own fucking words...BILLY BATSON...he wasn't crushing Marvel's Jaw...he stood in the Thunderbolt had it revert him back to BILLY FUCKING BATSON

Are you really moronic. Super is fighting Marvel, HE DEFEATS MARVEL BY THE STRATEGY OF MAKING HIM TURN IN Billy. He Grabs Marvel, the thurder hits Marvel, Marvel is turned in Billy and Game Over. Marvel weakness is the transformation in Batson, Even Silvana knew that, but a fanboy of last 5 years would know it ? Nope.

Because let's see another Panel later...Batson says Shazam and becomes Captain Marvel...jeebus you can read right?

He cannt. Super defeated him using Marvel weekness. Actually during the fight Superman is not trying to fight Marvel, but to talk to him, dumbass. How many time you will read Kingdom Time to notice that Super tryied to solve everything without violence, unlike Wonder Woman ?

Jesus H chirst when people provide evidence one should learn not to provide evidence when it provides exactly what I am proving.

Yes, I proved you are morom that CANNT read anything.

JLA #48-49 disagree...you have a problem take it up with DC who make the rules of Superman.

And ? One comic, one fight. YOU REALLY THINK that they only have those few years of work, Fanboy ?

So is the Force mystical..if so then he's fucked...if not Vader loses, what is so goddamn hard to understand?

One more prove that you barelly can read. THE FORCE IS NOT MYSTICAL. THEY DO NOT MAKE SPELLS OR MAGIC. THEY TRAIN THEIR BODIES AND MINDS, IT IS PSIONIC, MENTAL POWER. Understood ?
Now Yogi showed more than enough proves that your dumbass logic "If Super faces magic he will lost" is a lie, then It would be smart if you stop this.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-10 12:40am

My god...
GO and read Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore before saying that in DC magic and science are the same thing. They are not for sure! Actually you keep saying it is not the same thing, superman does not have problem with any scientific chains but have with the magical ones ? Because of course, Magic and Science are not the same thing! Do not confund Lucifer saying that Magic is in the end one science with being THE Science.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-10 01:09am

Morpheus used science as the Lord of Dreams?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 01:12am

lgot wrote:
No, you retard. Earlier Canon still Canon! That is why it is canon! Because it still valid. DC Comics did not said that all the past of superman is erased because of recent comics. Much otherwise, his past still works. Its still valid.
Now, If you are not such a fanboy, you would learn that DC leaves the actual writer work any way he disires (no dramatical changes allowed) but he cannt change what already happened. In one year, or two, when Mark Waid contract expires the new writes may do anything and DC wont need to come in public and say anything, because it is ALL valid.

So in the Antimatter universe where they showed Superman was able to BLEED...so why on Earth 2 he had his invulnerability?

Listen really hard...later canon superscedes earlier canon...unless you wish to show that earlier canon is held up because you say so.

You are liar here. YOU USED KINGDOM COME. Not me. Morom. It is just a matter of scroll up and see who used, so go with your fake morality to the place where fanboys like you live.

You used as evidence to say I was wrong and he could overpower Marvel, and you couldn't get it right...the Thunderbolt did make Superman...BLEED.

So yes I used Kingdom Come to show the Thunderbolt could produce an effect a normal bolt of lightning could not...huh who would've thunk that...you used to say how he achieves total victory over Captain Marvel...but complete throwing out the fact that in canon, later canon...it is shown that MArvel can deck Superman with one blow and thus making much of Kingdom Come basically worthless...since such a bolt of magical energy would not just hurt superman, but should have killed him.

It is also shown in JLA #29...Captain Marvel can take Superman out in one punch.

Are you really moronic. Super is fighting Marvel, HE DEFEATS MARVEL BY THE STRATEGY OF MAKING HIM TURN IN Billy. He Grabs Marvel, the thurder hits Marvel, Marvel is turned in Billy and Game Over. Marvel weakness is the transformation in Batson, Even Silvana knew that, but a fanboy of last 5 years would know it ? Nope.

You have yet to refute that JLA#29, and the only thing you cited was a literal source from Elseworlds story. And you got the scenario wrong he pulled MArvel in...but that's nitpicking the point is...Have you yet to refute that JLA#29, and JSA/JLA Virtues and Vice show Superman being decked in one blow by Captain Marvel...

No I believe haven't...so who the fanboy who hasn't a comic in five years?

Also your have to prove the Force is not mystical...Dr fate trains his mind and body and using Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman as sources of what is and what isn't DC Magic is akin to using Kersherner as canon source for ESB. They have done work for DC...DC asked them to do work for them to compile a magical sourcebook...but they are not the end all source of what is canon for DC.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 01:14am

And by the way...I even mentioned he could indirectly affect Vader...is it too hard to get your thick head I even provided how Superman would defeat Vader even if the Force is mystical.

So dumbass...any more twisting of my own words?

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-10 01:52am

Ghost Rider:

So in the Antimatter universe where they showed Superman was able to BLEED...so why on Earth 2 he had his invulnerability?

i Wonder how this have anything to do.

Listen really hard...later canon superscedes earlier canon...unless you wish to show that earlier canon is held up because you say so.

No, It does not. A good writer would try to make the later canon to not deny the early. Because the early still have vallue. But Marvel/DC does not use one writers, so they contradict themselves. But for what DC is concerned, Byrne's story still happened. No matter what people write today, Super's and Wonder Woman first meeting still happened in that same way. All the conflicts that Yogi posted happened in the same way.
This is the funniest thing, So, he the most experient superhero of earth have only as his background the few months the actual writers worked ? Of Course no. His background still on. And all that happened under that background. The Early Canon still on. Please found DC saying clearly "Only today stories are canon". There is no such thing. They do not care for such things. They have politic to not worry for such things as long the basic of the character does not change.

You used as evidence to say I was wrong and he could overpower Marvel, and you couldn't get it right...the Thunderbolt did make Superman...BLEED.

No, YOU TRYED TO USE A ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE STORY. Then come to attack me as I used.
I just pointed that you read it all wrong. That was a false evidence.
In the other line I said my opinion about the matter. I never said "because of kingdom come" or "as kingdom come showed". Who twists who here ?

...but complete throwing out the fact that in canon, later canon...it is shown that MArvel can deck Superman with one blow and thus making much of Kingdom Come basically worthless...since such a bolt of magical energy would not just hurt superman, but should have killed him.

Morom, You used Kingdom Come, not me. Kingdom come is not useful (as much Dark Night is not) because is a Alternative Story. But you clearly used it and as soon I showed it was the other way around you attacked me because it is a alternative story. You are a liar and a cheater.

And you got the scenario wrong he pulled MArvel in...but that's nitpicking the point is...

Fanboy, Would you learn how to read ? He grabs Marvel. The page a close of Marvel saying "Shazam", then a close of super hand open moving fowards, the a BOOOM. Next scene super was up and Marvel in the same position.

No I believe haven't...so who the fanboy who hasn't a comic in five years?

Fanboy, that is our problem. You have only the last five years...

Also your have to prove the Force is not mystical...

No men. You have to show a single evidence for the force being mystical.

Dr fate trains his mind and body

Man, Batman trains and use his mind and Body. Dr. Fate trains and use his helmet.

and using Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman as sources of what is and what isn't DC Magic is akin to using Kersherner as canon source for ESB. They have done work for DC...DC asked them to do work for them to compile a magical sourcebook...but they are not the end all source of what is canon for DC.

Yeah, just they made everything happens in the Vertigo series. So, if you read them, you see what is magic. Books of Magic, vol. 2, let clear that.

I even mentioned he could indirectly affect Vader...is it too hard to get your thick head I even provided how Superman would defeat Vader even if the Force is mystical.

I am not having a argument about not a even fight, but for the falacies you said all long, fanboy[/code]

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 02:14am

I see you saying fanboy somehow benefits...how so?

Other than being a fucktard, I dunno.

Okay...so you don't accept Later canon superceding eariler canon(because you didn't understand the whole Earth 2 situation, but okay...you're a moron)

And as you said...you interject the thought a good writer...which is subjective...to which bears no point when later canon shows otherwise...it supercedes eariler canon.

Unless you wish to say that Superman can still ignite Suns with his heat vision?

I said it made him bleed...proof that magic hurts him...you literally showed how he won against Batson...but literally gave no contradiction that said Thunderbolt of magic didn't make him bleed

Nor have you refuted JLA#29 or JSA/JLA virtue and Vice. Evidence I have literally said it shows that the Thunderbolt used in Kingdom come should've roasted Supes on the Spot, given that a single punch could deck him and in JLA#48-49 he could not pierce magical armor nor could he break magical chains.

But that's of course...escaping you sure why not.

-Kingdom Come

Pulls Marvel by when he goes Shazam...next panel, he grabs Marvel...and Boom

His next words are enough...he grabs Marvel to allow the Thuinderbolt to hit him

Neither of us know and as I said idiot...there are way for Superman to win...still but this still escapes you.

As for the Force is...I mean they can shoot lighting from their hands, then can perform feats of speed and heightened agility and have precognitive awareness...and unless you have proof this jusy psionic power...please elucidate..

So when Carey supercedes what is thought of as God and the Angels in Luciffer...obviously he's wrong...always nice to see ignorance as well.

But hey you scream fanboy and this evidence will go away.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-10 02:57am

This is a joke, aint ?

You are crazy, aint Fanboy ?

I SAID Super grabs Marvel. You said no. Then you come here and say, You are wrong, He grabs Marvel.

Then what you do not understand about you showing wrongly the conclusion of a fight ? You do not come, you even tryied the strategy of saying "He defeats Batson, Not Marvel". Your point was about Superass kicking.

Superman have no longer the powers of pre-Byrne because DC come and said "From Now On it is valid." They did not make the Byrne's time not valid yet, so it is still canon.

The Early canon does not make it, smartass. IT ALL STILL CANON. Have heard about continuity. DC Keeps it. Becuase the early canon still work on. Go on, show me , Batman Year One was lost to which recent material ? It is not lost"Prove it.

You claim force is mystical, imbecile. Your have the burden of prove. Ignorance appeals such "we do not know if it is or not" is not a prove of anything, idiot.

And you used Kingdom Come, then attacked me for a "use" of not official universe use, then now complains that I dismiss Kingdom come as Canon by the same reason ? Such a liar.

Magic is not science in the DC.
Sandman is magic. Books of Magic is magic. Go and read Books of Magic (the series, not the montly comic) and Constantine let clear that in the volume 2. They let clear that they would help Tim to choose between the path of magic or science!!
YOU said Superman is vulnerable to magic. If Magic is science, why does not Luthor defeated him ? Luthor used science and scientists all the time. Because it is not the same thing.
Braniac does not make magic. He makes science.
Now if you are not smart enough to understand from where they got the notion of both being the same, its not new, and does not mean they are the same. Because, the evidence is showed up there.
Now complain, Fanboy, you are one that started calling names.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-10 03:02am

There are PLENTY of people who have Super Duper Powers in DC (and Marvel and elsewhere as well) that have nothing to do with Magic. Indeed, most common portrayals of Magic involve magic runes, spells, potions, circles of power, magic wands etc. Therefore the possibility that out of all the sub-categories of power The Force belongs to a relatively small section which domanent characteristics do not match the characteristics of The Force is LESS than the possibility that it would belong to some other section.

Besides, if Captain Marval couldn't even kill Superman (he DOES have super-strength several orders of magnitude greater than anything Vader can pull on his best day) with a magic punch, even if the force was magic, what can Vader really do?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 03:10am

Actually of proof is to prove that their feats are psi powers and not anything in mystical origin. Unl;ess you have proof that literally the Lightning used by the Emperor, the Force speed, and the ability to alter their metabolism is just psionic in nature...we stand at a rather moot point.

Also sad, but you have yet to get this in your thick head...I said how Superman would overcome this...but if the Force is mystical in nature it would hinder him, because he would be unable to actually hurt Vader directly.

Also one point forgot to bring up...mystical energy is within the realm of science since the Guardians locked the Starheart or was that wishful thinking.

Magic is just science unexplained with a different control over energy in DC.

Unless you want to say the Guardians were mystical in nature, even though nothing lends any sort of credsidence tothat either.

Still have yet to refute how if the Force is mystical, and not psi, this would not put a slight crimp into Superman.

You keep scream fanboy...actually contorted my first statement(I said the Thunderbolt made him bleed as proof that magical powers will hurt and or kill Superman...and gave canon evidence to prove such that)have yet refute it.

He defeated Batson...but has yet to actually defeat CM in some contest of fighting skills. Somehow pulling CM in the Thunderbolt...or better still holding CM in place.

So what else do you want to scream at going fanboy...yet actually not refuting any of the points of Superman's Magical vulnerability...how canon works, or what I mean when I said the Thunderbolt made him BLEED.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 03:12am

If persay magical...the force choke would kill him because that is the nature of the beast...Superman's power are literally turned off when assualted by magic(a normal wooden spear thrown by a goblin in JLA #48 pierced Superman's skin but did nothing to Wonder Woman)

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 03:37am

The Solution is just this...how would it be handled.

Force is mystical...the Superman will fly out far enough(and no I am not going to circumspect and go Vader's telepathic reach goes to beyond orbital level) melt the ground underneath Vader...and win.

Force is not mystical Superman destroys Vader in a punch.

Vader's only chance would rely upon something most agreed upon in these debates and that both sides have a clear indication of powers.

My only question was that was the Force mystical in nature because that is beyond Kryptonite his primary weakness.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-10 09:50pm

Ghost Rider:

Actually of proof is to prove that their feats are psi powers and not anything in mystical origin. Unl;ess you have proof that literally the Lightning used by the Emperor, the Force speed, and the ability to alter their metabolism is just psionic in nature...we stand at a rather moot point.

For sure it is not mystical. Or have you prove of it. And for mind ? how about the force working with "weak minds", how about Yoda saying that all that luke needed was concetration to lift the X-wing ? I never seen someone saying one could resist the force because he was magical but because he have a strong mind. A Jedi crosses the path between the dark and good side by emotions lack of control, not because a pact with summoned demon. All the traits of the mental,psionic powers, not mystical powers.

Also sad, but you have yet to get this in your thick head...I said how Superman would overcome this...but if the Force is mystical in nature it would hinder him, because he would be unable to actually hurt Vader directly.

What you have to do is: Yogi posted a lot of occasions that mystical natures have not hinder him and he defeated the enemies in the same style of the normal enemies. What defeat him is not magic, but strong magical powers, It is different, A week magician would not work against him, a strong one would. As would a strong dude like Marvel, Ajax, Batman's cleaverness. Super is defeated by strong powers like his. Not by any magic.

Also one point forgot to bring up...mystical energy is within the realm of science since the Guardians locked the Starheart or was that wishful thinking.

This is irrelevant. Guardiansacts have not affected Sandman's realm or anything.

Magic is just science unexplained with a different control over energy in DC.

False. Sandman is not that. Swamp Thing is not that. Braniac was a scientist and never could understand the magic powers of Nura and her sister in the Legion of Superheroes. He could understand all science in the world.
If Phamton Strange, John Constantine, Mister Io, Dr.Occult come and say that Magic is not the same thing was science and when they should Tim all magical world of DC and not show any of the great scietists of DC they let clear what is magic and not. You are boring, keep coming with this argument even if there is more than enough show in DC comics that show this difference.

You keep scream fanboy...

ah, sorry, I quit calling you fanboy and quit calling me dipshit, dumbass, etc. How hypocrite.

actually contorted my first statement(I said the Thunderbolt made him bleed as proof that magical powers will hurt and or kill Superman...and gave canon evidence to prove such that)have yet refute it.

Show me which canon I refuted. The only thing I refuted was your wrong version of the batle in Kingdom Come and let it clear it was no canon.
And your first reaction to my critic to the kingdom come stuff was "No, you are wrong, He defeated Batson", which shows you cared to think it was victory of Marvel besides the point you claim him.

He defeated Batson...but has yet to actually defeat CM in some contest of fighting skills. Somehow pulling CM in the Thunderbolt...or better still holding CM in place.

Dont be moronic. He Defeated Marvel. He was more smart than marvel and acted so fast that Marvel have not be able to dodge. Or you will cut out all the times Batman used sneaky and not direct confrotation to defeat super as well ? After all, Batman used kryptonite, not a real contest of fighting skills...

yet actually not refuting any of the points of Superman's Magical vulnerability...

Because I actually said in my post he is vulnerable to magic. So its pretty clear It is not the point I am against here.

how canon works,

Canon is what DC says is true. DC is not the actual writers. The origem of actual Super, who wrote it ?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-10 10:22pm

OK, so the question is, What IS the Force?

There are several resonable explinations that The Force could be

Magical (Occult): This is the standard mage, casting massive spells, summoning creatures, hurling fireballs etc.
Evidence for it:The Force as a field that binds all things. The wide variety of Force powers.

Magical (Divine): Magic that is wielded by gods, and is granded from some divine source.
Evidence for it:"Light" and "Dark" sides of the force. Force Ghosts. Precognition as a primary ability.

Psionic: Power that comes from the mind.
Evidence for it: The use of concentration in manipulating Force. The emphasis on focus furing training. The basic components of The Force being telekenisis, telapathy, and precognition, as opposed to elemental power. Lack of emphasis on "book learning".

Ki/Chi: Power that comes from the body.
Evidence for it: The use of concentration in manipulating Force. The emphasis on focus furing training. The psysical aspect of training. Using the force to enhance physical attributes. Letting the Force "flow through you." Lack of emphasis on "book learning".

Bioenergy from Midichlorins: Those little buggers supply the energy.
Evidence for it: Qui-gon's comment.

Faith-based reality hack: Beleiving in something hard enough so it comes true.
Evidence for it: Luke's faith in his father. Yoda saying Luke couldn't lift the X-wing because he didn't beleive it.

Now, let's count the evidence, discard duplicates, and..

Pieces of Evidence for Magic: 5
Pieces of Evidence for Something Else:10

'nuff said.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 10:26pm

You scream fanboy...and keep screaming and yet never get the whole point...DC has the final say...also Yogi information is valid does the same as if two piece of information is present who do we say is more valid.

DC states in Secret Origins that Superman cannot affect anything magical.

Nuff said

You wanna bitch and whine about it...fine...there's the wall scream all you want.

As for the Forve being Psi or mystrical...until GL says otherwise...no one has tried to say anything that contradicts either Yoda's or Vader's any of Kenobi's statments.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-01-10 10:43pm

You scream fanboy...and keep screaming and yet never get the whole point...DC has the final say...also Yogi information is valid does the same as if two piece of information is present who do we say is more valid.

Yes, and DC let clear that all that Yogi pointed was canon.

DC states in Secret Origins that Superman cannot affect anything magical.

Which means he cannt do magic or stop a magic, not that he cannt fight the physical form magics take. That is all, because in the other canons, which DC never said are false, he can blow, hit and defeat.

Nuff Said.

As for the Forve being Psi or mystrical...until GL says otherwise...no one has tried to say anything that contradicts either Yoda's or Vader's any of Kenobi's statments

Moronic circular arguments. You did not even cared to deal with what I and Yogi pointed. You just keep hiting the same key. And what we used are Canon and GL words since HE WROTE THE SCREENPLAY.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 10:47pm

The funniest part you both have to acactually refute the whole JSA/JLA Vice and Virtues.

You have also yet to refute JLA #48-49.

But hey you go ahead and scream at the wall...it obviously makes you feel good.

Also show me some piece of evidence that contradicts Yoda's or Ben's statement about the Force.

Kon_El · Post by **Kon_El** » 2003-01-10 11:00pm

Cap Marvel has mad strength. If supermans vuneribility to "magic" was that absolute one punch would have pulped him. Cap Marvel is about the same strength as Superman. Its far easier to belive that Cap was able to knock out Superman cause he was strong enough.

If persay magical...the force choke would kill him because that is the nature of the beast...Superman's power are literally turned off when assualted by magic(a normal wooden spear thrown by a goblin in JLA #48 pierced Superman's skin but did nothing to Wonder Woman)

normal wooden spear? the enitre realm they were in was composed of exreamly strong magic. Superman wasn't able to break the chains/spear because they were magialy unbreakable. A magicaly unbreakable item is unbreakable by any physical force and can only be broken by stronger magic. Superman has never been unable to hurt someone just because they were magical in nature. thats just silly

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-11 12:14am

Ghost Rider wrote:Also show me some piece of evidence that contradicts Yoda's or Ben's statement about the Force.

Which statements are you talking about again?

Pink Eye · Post by **Pink Eye** » 2003-01-13 04:20pm

Maybe when people create this VS arguments, there should be clear rules on what is canon and what is not stated right off the bat. And maybe people should stick to something a little bit more realistic i.e. Star Wars VS Star Trek or Batman VS Spiderman. Superman VS Darth Vader is a little bit far fetched anyway because it relies on Vaders use of the Force and what exactly the Force is. I don't see any specifics on anything really...exact issue numbers & pages, nor any DC official statements (with varifiable sources). Whenever the match up is so ridiculously lop sided, then it has always seemed to me, that only one specific power of the "weaker" character can [hopefully] save the day and is disputed here to eternity.

There should be a little bit more structure to these kind of debates especially when fanboyism will be prevalent. Something like Wong VS RSA. Set amount of days and set amount of arguments/counter arguments.

Oh well.

xiophen · Post by **xiophen** » 2003-01-14 08:04am

but that really shouldn't be an issue super man can down any force user before they can even send a nervious impulse to their brain to say oh god Im in trouble. As for the combat precog again supes would be moving before the nerve impulse would tell vader that he in trouble. supes would have beat him to a pulp and probably ironically left him alive to be taken to some DCU maximuim security metahuman prison. The only force uses that would stand a chance of hurting supes is probably exar kun or palpatine and that probably it because they are the only ones that could probably generate a force storm on supes. Beyond that no other can match superman in any category weaponary, defenses str speed etc all go to supes. Lets be serious folks supes is what they define when they speak of an uber character of doom. He combats cosmic entities and the such vader is so out of his league in this that its almost comical watching peopl find ways to defeat superman with the given lmits of the force.

Pink Eye · Post by **Pink Eye** » 2003-01-14 12:42pm

xiophen wrote: Lets be serious folks supes is what they define when they speak of an uber character of doom. He combats cosmic entities and the such vader is so out of his league in this that its almost comical watching peopl find ways to defeat superman with the given lmits of the force.

It seems to me he would beat Vader rather easily. I don't understand why people would want to do silly match ups like these. However, Superman is not the most powerful character in comic books and there are others who could [Goku ha ha on you!] and have beaten him [Doomsday, Anti Montior ~ an infinite amout of times during Crisis]. I think Superman has more of an "awe" quality about him considering he is the oldest mainstream comic book heroes today.

xiophen · Post by **xiophen** » 2003-01-14 01:49pm

Pink Eye wrote:
xiophen wrote: Lets be serious folks supes is what they define when they speak of an uber character of doom. He combats cosmic entities and the such vader is so out of his league in this that its almost comical watching peopl find ways to defeat superman with the given lmits of the force.
It seems to me he would beat Vader rather easily. I don't understand why people would want to do silly match ups like these. However, Superman is not the most powerful character in comic books and there are others who could [Goku ha ha on you!] and have beaten him [Doomsday, Anti Montior ~ an infinite amout of times during Crisis]. I think Superman has more of an "awe" quality about him considering he is the oldest mainstream comic book heroes today.

Actually ~monitor isnt a normal characvter so he doesnt count hes a multiverse killer. supes thrashed doomsday the second time the fought as I recall and Id still like to see a supes goku fight

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-01-14 09:45pm

Boba Fett wrote:Let's say they are on our planet and they're free to use any of their capabilities to win.

But please no "Order a battaglion of AT-ATs to fire" comments.

Just the two of them...

Let's make "how long it would take" bets instead.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

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