Transformers Reactions Thread - No spoilers until July 4th

[Old Plympto]

C'mon, we can't give up on it. I want Megatron back, dammit! If he's not coming back from the Allspark, what other technology is there? I assume the destruction of his spark means he won't regenerate over time and is permanently KIA.

Well, if the Allspark can create life and regenerate Frenzy, and if the Allspark of the movie is for all intent and purposes the Creation Matrix of the toon/comics... there is still one more "Allspark" out there.

I can see the rumored appearance of loyal Soundwave next movie retrieving and attempting to return Megatron to life with the second Allspark... on a seemingly inert Cybertron-like planet known as Unicron.

[Admiral Valdemar]

I'd like to know what form Soundwave would take on Earth. The USA Today piece had some mentioning a spy plane which would seem apt. Maybe have him as an AWACS or Dark Star. Ravage and Lazerbeak are only small, afterall.

EDIT: By the way, did anyone think Scorponok disconnected his tail end intentionally like a gecko to give them something to mull over as he buggered off?

[Bounty]

By the way, did anyone think Scorponok disconnected his tail end intentionally like a gecko to give them something to mull over as he buggered off?

It's possible, but the broken end looked pretty charred - it wasn't a clean break like you'd expect if he just disconnected it. Of course, he could've snapped it off himself.

I'd like to know what form Soundwave would take on Earth.

It won't work in the movie, but one of those giant festival sound systems would be cool. Maybe a TV broadcasting truck?

[Admiral Valdemar]

It's possible, but the broken end looked pretty charred - it wasn't a clean break like you'd expect if he just disconnected it. Of course, he could've snapped it off himself.

That's what I figured, he maybe just yanked it off hoping its superficial damage would indicate he was toast.

It won't work in the movie, but one of those giant festival sound systems would be cool. Maybe a TV broadcasting truck?

Far better than an iPod, that's for sure. The idea of him levelling city blocks with infrasound is deliciously destructive too.

[DarkSilver]

if I'm not mistaken, the current talks about Soundwave in the next movie does have him as some form of Musical device (Hasbro is pushing for that a great deal, saying Soundwave has to be that) and apparently the next movie will have some form of mass conversion/displacement for him to be done proper..

[Admiral Valdemar]

Where's that from? As it stands, I've heard from Total Film that they want Soundwave to be something military or at least a decent size. I don't see why they went out of their way to avoid morphing in this film except with the Allspark, to only then have Soundwave completely piss on it later on.

We had Frenzy do what Soundwave could have. There is nothing great about mass shifting Soundwave. In fact, it's just lame. An ancient cube of mysteriousness, okay. A Transformer, no. Vehicle Soundwave makes sense. I mean, what the fuck would a tape deck or sound system do anyway? Frenzy was for infiltration, whereas Soundwave is an obvious heavy hitter like Blackout and should remain as such here.

[Dalton]

I really enjoyed this movie. I didn't think it'd be as cool as it was and I was pleasantly surprised. Question, though (quote to see): [size=0]how was Bumblebee rebuilt? Did Ratchett fix him or did Optimus Prime use that remaining part of the Allspark?[/size]

[Bounty]

I really enjoyed this movie. I didn't think it'd be as cool as it was and I was pleasantly surprised. Question, though (quote to see): [size=0]how was Bumblebee rebuilt? Did Ratchett fix him or did Optimus Prime use that remaining part of the Allspark?[/size]

Spoilerized, though I don't really see the point in a spoiler thread:

[size=0]The soldiers looking at Scorponok's tail say it's already regenerating, so maybe he just...got better?

Prime's bumps and scratches were gone, too. I admit that regrowing legs is a bit much, but they can somehow make their vehicle shells in a split second so it's not *that* implausible.

'Course, that begs the question how Bumblebee could lose his voicebox, or why they'd need a medic in the first place.[/size]

[Admiral Valdemar]

I really enjoyed this movie. I didn't think it'd be as cool as it was and I was pleasantly surprised. Question, though (quote to see): [size=0]how was Bumblebee rebuilt? Did Ratchett fix him or did Optimus Prime use that remaining part of the Allspark?[/size]

Spoilerized, though I don't really see the point in a spoiler thread:

[size=0]The soldiers looking at Scorponok's tail say it's already regenerating, so maybe he just...got better?

Prime's bumps and scratches were gone, too. I admit that regrowing legs is a bit much, but they can somehow make their vehicle shells in a split second so it's not *that* implausible.

'Course, that begs the question how Bumblebee could lose his voicebox, or why they'd need a medic in the first place.[/size]

There may be certain types of damage that knock out self-regeneration in some parts of the body that may not be fixed with the current systems in place. Think of it the same way we need medics. Our bodies are self-regenerating machines too, albeit organic, but there are certain degrees of damage and to specific points that require assistance from someone else or can be immediately incapacitating. Scorponok's tail and Bumblebee's voice box are fairly minor, while losing larger limbs or a head or damage to the central power plant would be far nastier.

Plus, we never saw a Transformer get such major damage and then stop fighting and regenerate before Bumblebee. Scorponok may have rebuilt himself just as quickly using whatever materials at hand, whereas Jazz was FUBAR'd by Megs and also easier to damage due to size. So being pounded for minutes by half the USAF and then retreating is less harmful than being pounded for an age by Decepticons, but then having the time after to concentrate on regenerating.

[NeoGoomba]

Barricade got pretty smashed by Bumblebee, yet less than a day later he was fighting fit for the Decepticon roll call, so I'm guessing his auto-repair systems were still intact.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Indeed. Barricade was a tough mofo, whereas Jazz, it has to be said, was not all that powerful or durable. After displaying the most bizarre and misplaced act of bravery, he got trounced by Megatron and I doubt anything but a total overhaul would bring him back, which is evidently beyond Ratchet's means at the time (though not the Allspark).

I just remembered that before in the thread, someone mentioned nuclear weapons. While the effects on the machines is open for debate, I can't see why it would be a factor when all the fighting was well within civilian areas and even tac. nukes would be hopelessly ineffective. Given the agility, hardiness and speed displayed, you'd have a time trying to get them that way without also wiping out half your own side. Unless, of course, LA being glassed is an acceptable outcome. I recall the reason ID4 didn't get military backing was because they showed the US nuking its own soil, rather than, as with Transformers, because they knew of something the rest of gov't and public didn't and kept it quiet despite the risks.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I recall the reason ID4 didn't get military backing was because they showed the US nuking its own soil, rather than, as with Transformers, because they knew of something the rest of gov't and public didn't and kept it quiet despite the risks.

Probably that, but I heard it was also because of ID4's scenes taking place at Area 51, since Pentagon policy at the time was complete and total denial that the installation even existed.

[Vympel]

Apparently they were disappointed that GM provided such a small car for Jazz, they wanted him bigger - ripping him in half according to some info was an opening to have him repaired as a bigger, badder car in the next movie.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I know, jeez, I think Jazz is smaller than Bumblebee, even.

[Fire Fly]

if I'm not mistaken, the current talks about Soundwave in the next movie does have him as some form of Musical device (Hasbro is pushing for that a great deal, saying Soundwave has to be that) and apparently the next movie will have some form of mass conversion/displacement for him to be done proper..

If what you say is true, I will be quite disappointed. I don't want Soundwave to become a simple spy character. He has always had a combat role on top of his role as communications officer. The only justice that can be done to Soundwave is to make him into some sort of aerial surveillance aircraft or a military communications vehicle. The former is probably more suitable since the original Soundwave could fly.

[Stark]

I know, jeez, I think Jazz is smaller than Bumblebee, even.

He sure is. I kinda liked that, though: having the old 80s 'smallest lamest Autobot = human companion' would have sucked. As it is, Bumblebee was quite capable on his own.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

The only justice that can be done to Soundwave is to make him into some sort of aerial surveillance aircraft or a military communications vehicle. The former is probably more suitable since the original Soundwave could fly.

ALL the original Decepticons could fly, though.

[Stark]

ALL the original Decepticons could fly, though.

In robot mode, even.

From their phallus-tower, even.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

To be entirely honest, if Soundwave in the sequel isn't some kind of mass shifting tape/CD deck, I'm gonna be rather pissed.

I'll see the movie, but I'll still be rather pissed.

[SAMAS]

In the first episodes, the Autobots could fly, too. For some reason, they forgot how after that.

[Stark]

In the first episodes, the Autobots could fly, too. For some reason, they forgot how after that.

Pilot eps! And even then Prime needed to take who's his faces jetpack (while shaking with rage, which was pretty funny) to chase the spaceship.

[Darth Servo]

And even then Prime needed to take who's his faces jetpack (while shaking with rage, which was pretty funny) to chase the spaceship.

Sideswipe's. To boost his speed, not to actually fly. He flew plenty of other times in MTMTE.

[Stark]

Sideswipe's. To boost his speed, not to actually fly. He flew plenty of other times in MTMTE.

No shit. I figured their impotence toward the rocket showed that already, inside the pilot episodes, they were altering the rules in realtime.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Apparently they were disappointed that GM provided such a small car for Jazz, they wanted him bigger - ripping him in half according to some info was an opening to have him repaired as a bigger, badder car in the next movie.

That's true. But then they did get $3M off the budget thanks to GM, although I wish Jazz was a Porsche all the same.

I know, jeez, I think Jazz is smaller than Bumblebee, even.

According to the Top Trumps cards, Jazz is around 4.5 metres while Bumblebee is nearer 5, IIRC.

And while you may yearn for a Soundwave like the cartoons and comics, it really wouldn't work. Mass shifting is an Allspark thing, plus, it just looks retarded on any Transformer. What's Soundwave going to do that Frenzy didn't a thousand times better? Can you imagine him transforming from his alternate form to move about. I think a stereo becoming a 10 metre tall robot might blow his cover a bit.

[Vympel]

I think Hasbro is insane to insist on it. Soundwave is in the movie as long as there's a badass Transformer with the voice, no one will care that he's not a tapedeck, just like no one cared that Megatron wasn't some stupid mass-shifting pistol.

Just have him be an A-10 or something. Doesn't matter.