"World War Hulk" - Commentary and Discussion

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-07-20 01:14am

MadSorcerer wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote: Hulk said he wanted to talk to Xavier, and the X-Men all attacked him.

Yeah, defending oneself sure is thuggish.
Hulk attacked first.

Did you even read the fucking book? Apparently not.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-07-20 02:52am

MadSorcerer wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote: Hulk said he wanted to talk to Xavier, and the X-Men all attacked him.

Yeah, defending oneself sure is thuggish.
Hulk attacked first.

no Solo shot first!

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-07-20 08:38am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
MadSorcerer wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote: Hulk said he wanted to talk to Xavier, and the X-Men all attacked him.

Yeah, defending oneself sure is thuggish.
Hulk attacked first.
Did you even read the fucking book? Apparently not.

I think this should properly be directed at you. Unless you don't consider backhanding Beast across the room an "attack".

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-07-20 05:30pm

Which he didn't do until after the X-Men attacked him.

lance · Post by **lance** » 2007-07-20 09:39pm

TheDarkling wrote: covering up the deaths of children

I like to elaborate on this a little more, the cover up included a skrull or robot living with the kids family.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-07-20 10:30pm

lance wrote: I like to elaborate on this a little more, the cover up included a skrull or robot living with the kids family.

Most likely a clone.

Dr Strangelove and the wife beater are probably cloning MVP given the Latin reference the Nazi made.

MadSorcerer · Post by **MadSorcerer** » 2007-07-21 01:32am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Which he didn't do until after the X-Men attacked him.

Try reading the book again, dumbass. Beast told Hulk he couldn't have Xavier so Hulk backhanded him. No X-Men touched him prior to that.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-07-21 02:33am

They had already said "Hey we are gonna attack you now".

MadSorcerer · Post by **MadSorcerer** » 2007-07-21 08:47am

And we all now that saying "Hey we are gonna attack you now" = attacking you.

Do you even have the comic though? Because that didn't happen either. Here's how it went down: Hulk lands on their front porch. Beast tells Prodigy to evacuate the students and to warn Charles. Beast then calms the kids with a small speech about genocide then goes to try and talk to the Hulk. Hulk backhands him and the X-Men attack.

I'll say it once more. Hulk attacked first.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-07-21 12:57pm

Whilst correct in the broad strokes you missed some details out.

Hulk asked Beast to get the Prof for him and Beast refused.

Then Hulk asked him to get out of the way and Beast again refused at which point Hulk moved him out of his path (and through a door).

Then the New X-men jumped on Hulk and he told Beast to get the kids off him or he would has to take action against them.

The Hulk certainly resorted to violence first but he wasn't attacking anybody and didn't consider a fight to have started until the New X-men persisted in attacking him.

I would add however that the X-men clearly had a right to defend themselves and their home although Beast should have just got the Prof to come up stairs.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-07-22 11:10am

One thing I seriously hated about the X-men issue was the Hulk saying that Wolverine's healing factor meant he couldn't kill him and implying that it's on a par with the Hulk's. I guess that's pretty par for the course with Wolverine these days, but it still pisses me off.

Once upon a time, what Hulk did to Wolverine (Smashing his skull until the insides turned to jelly) would have been total overkill. Now it's just his way of taking Wolverine out of action for a while so he doesn't bug him while he deals with the rest of the X-men.

Bah.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-07-22 04:08pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:One thing I seriously hated about the X-men issue was the Hulk saying that Wolverine's healing factor meant he couldn't kill him and implying that it's on a par with the Hulk's. I guess that's pretty par for the course with Wolverine these days, but it still pisses me off.

Once upon a time, what Hulk did to Wolverine (Smashing his skull until the insides turned to jelly) would have been total overkill. Now it's just his way of taking Wolverine out of action for a while so he doesn't bug him while he deals with the rest of the X-men.

Bah.

Also very irrelevant. If Hulk was annoyed enough with Wolverine he could easily chuck him into low Earth orbit or with a lighter throw a few hundred miles off the coast into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-07-27 10:48am

The latest Iron Man installment of WWH shows the Hulk in a much better light. He boards the SHIELD Helicarrier looking for Nick Fury, who he thinks led him into the spaceship that took him to Sakaar. Turns out it was just a robot, and the Hulk notes that everyone on the Helicarrier was likely lied to and kept in the dark about it as well. So what does he do? He leaves!

This is how the Hulk should be written for this storyline, as opposed to what he's doing in the X-Men books: out for vengeance but avoiding conflicts with people who have not wronged him.

lance · Post by **lance** » 2007-07-28 12:54am

Jason wrote: This is how the Hulk should be written for this storyline, as opposed to what he's doing in the X-Men books: out for vengeance but avoiding conflicts with people who have not wronged him.

I think he has justification in going after Xavier. If your part of Al Queda, Japanese Navy, etc I think its kinda prudent to go talk to you after 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or what have you. When he slapped beast it could hardly be called a strike, it would be more like a when a person shoves another persons shoulder considering how beast is in the 30 ton range of power now.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-07-30 11:29am

lance wrote:
Jason wrote: This is how the Hulk should be written for this storyline, as opposed to what he's doing in the X-Men books: out for vengeance but avoiding conflicts with people who have not wronged him.
I think he has justification in going after Xavier. If your part of Al Queda, Japanese Navy, etc I think its kinda prudent to go talk to you after 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or what have you. When he slapped beast it could hardly be called a strike, it would be more like a when a person shoves another persons shoulder considering how beast is in the 30 ton range of power now.

The Hulk already knows Xavier didn't have anything to do with, nor did he know about, the plan for his banishment, and wasn't even around at the time it happened.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-07-30 05:21pm

Jason wrote:
lance wrote:
Jason wrote: This is how the Hulk should be written for this storyline, as opposed to what he's doing in the X-Men books: out for vengeance but avoiding conflicts with people who have not wronged him.
I think he has justification in going after Xavier. If your part of Al Queda, Japanese Navy, etc I think its kinda prudent to go talk to you after 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or what have you. When he slapped beast it could hardly be called a strike, it would be more like a when a person shoves another persons shoulder considering how beast is in the 30 ton range of power now.
The Hulk already knows Xavier didn't have anything to do with, nor did he know about, the plan for his banishment, and wasn't even around at the time it happened.

Out of curiosity how did the Hulk know this? Since Professor X is just about the most powerful telepath on the planet if not the most powerful it would be rather odd that he would have no idea that his fellow backroom buddies were planning on something. Is Xavier that honorable that he wont even mildly scan someone as dishonest as Tony Stark?

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-07-30 06:02pm

Baal wrote:
Jason wrote:
lance wrote: I think he has justification in going after Xavier. If your part of Al Queda, Japanese Navy, etc I think its kinda prudent to go talk to you after 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or what have you. When he slapped beast it could hardly be called a strike, it would be more like a when a person shoves another persons shoulder considering how beast is in the 30 ton range of power now.
The Hulk already knows Xavier didn't have anything to do with, nor did he know about, the plan for his banishment, and wasn't even around at the time it happened.

Out of curiosity how did the Hulk know this? Since Professor X is just about the most powerful telepath on the planet if not the most powerful it would be rather odd that he would have no idea that his fellow backroom buddies were planning on something. Is Xavier that honorable that he wont even mildly scan someone as dishonest as Tony Stark?

Wow, Guess you don't read Marvel comics at all do you.
Xavier lost his power on M-Day. He just got it back at the close of the Rise and Fall of the Shi'Ar Empire story arc. So Pro-X didn't have his power and wasn't present when Blackbolt, Richards, Stark and Strange made the decision to launch Banner into space.

lance · Post by **lance** » 2007-07-30 10:06pm

Jason wrote:
lance wrote:
Jason wrote: This is how the Hulk should be written for this storyline, as opposed to what he's doing in the X-Men books: out for vengeance but avoiding conflicts with people who have not wronged him.
I think he has justification in going after Xavier. If your part of Al Queda, Japanese Navy, etc I think its kinda prudent to go talk to you after 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or what have you. When he slapped beast it could hardly be called a strike, it would be more like a when a person shoves another persons shoulder considering how beast is in the 30 ton range of power now.
The Hulk already knows Xavier didn't have anything to do with, nor did he know about, the plan for his banishment, and wasn't even around at the time it happened.

Doesn't change the fact that Xavier is part of the organization and may have information that would be useful in taking the others down as well as a power base that could hinder the Hulk. Xavier felt he needed to be punished so he volunteered to go with the Hulk.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » 2007-07-31 08:30am

lance wrote: Doesn't change the fact that Xavier is part of the organization and may have information that would be useful in taking the others down as well as a power base that could hinder the Hulk. Xavier felt he needed to be punished so he volunteered to go with the Hulk.

All that shows is the Hulk might want to ask Xavier for help, if Xavier does in fact know things which could aid him. His "power base" is irrelevant, as there is no indication that Xavier has any intention of utilizing it to get in the way of the Hulk's plans. The most that can be said is the Hulk should try to meet with Xavier, but that doesn't justify the Hulk taking any action at all to force a meeting.

Of course, this has nothing to do with what actually happened in the comic, where the Hulk shows up with the intent of holding Xavier responsible for actions he never took as if he did in fact take them, and brutalizes anyone who stands in the way of his distorted view of justice.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-07-31 01:25pm

Jason wrote:
lance wrote: Doesn't change the fact that Xavier is part of the organization and may have information that would be useful in taking the others down as well as a power base that could hinder the Hulk. Xavier felt he needed to be punished so he volunteered to go with the Hulk.
All that shows is the Hulk might want to ask Xavier for help, if Xavier does in fact know things which could aid him. His "power base" is irrelevant, as there is no indication that Xavier has any intention of utilizing it to get in the way of the Hulk's plans. The most that can be said is the Hulk should try to meet with Xavier, but that doesn't justify the Hulk taking any action at all to force a meeting.

Of course, this has nothing to do with what actually happened in the comic, where the Hulk shows up with the intent of holding Xavier responsible for actions he never took as if he did in fact take them, and brutalizes anyone who stands in the way of his distorted view of justice.

Sure Xavier might have been innocent of involvement during the launch Hulk into space bit. Xavier did though quite willingly join a secret society that found nothing wrong with screwing with Hulk. So as far as Hulk is concerned is Xavier really innocent? What else might him and his Illum buddies might have done? Who else might they have tried to remove or neutralize.

As far as Hulk is concerned Xavier is guilty by the mere fact that he joined.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-08-01 08:35pm

WWH 3#

And I thought Stark was being extreme with his plan to annihilate all of Manhattan, Strange just has to go and won up him by bringing Zom to the party.

The army got smashed as expected but the Adamantium bullets were a good effort.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2007-08-01 09:06pm

So just where the hell is all this adamantium coming from lately, anyways? I thought it was wicked rare?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-08-01 11:44pm

well considering how much of it Ultron goes through in a week.....

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-08-02 07:00am

I have no fucking clue what Strange did at the end of the issue.

Also, I wish the Sentry would hurry his ass up.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-08-02 07:35am

Manus Celer Dei wrote:I have no fucking clue what Strange did at the end of the issue.

He channelled the power of Zom, which would be akin to the Germans unleashing Cthulhu in order to win ww1.

It might work but you will die very shortly thereafter.

All you really need to know about Zom is that the living tribunal is on his enemies list, when the second most powerful being in the universe takes note of you then you are obviously a considerable threat.

Dr Strange has essentially unleashed (or risked unleashing) a universal threat in order to beat a guy who, at worst, is going to kill a handful of people.