weemadando wrote:YES!
I got featured on the
front page of NMA!
And the attacks keep rolling in, why is it that when you target an already marginalised minority, you're suddenly treated like a Nazi?
Well the NMA rebuttal to your post is 1. the slap girlfriend thing was not representative of their forum, 2. bad Fallout fans is a stereotype and 3. you never visited their forums to get a taste.
I can almost agree with the slap girlfriend thing not representative, since it's not as if SDN doesn't have it's own miscreants. The thing is that wasn't the main point of your post. A man is not judged only by the leader, but by the friends he keeps, and even in the comments thread there's people who say the whole bash your woman thing joke and need to be warned by the moderators that domestic violence is nothing to joke about. The NMA moderators might be great guys, but the point of your post isn't to attack the moderation of their board but something completely unrelated that casual gamers are not seen as real gamers and attacked when they claim to be. So I don't see why the response by NMA at all. It's not as if SA hasn't made fun of SDN or everybody else before. They're equal opportunity offenders.
Bad Fallout fans is a stereotype and you needed to do "research" before posting your rant -- what the fuck. Blogs on the Internet tend to be rather emotional, and the point of your blog post seems to be railing against a particular subset of Fallout fans who went after you. You only dared to mention NMA, and it was only to identify a particular of subset of Fallout fans, because of course as Stark mentioned anybody who believes in the "Bethesda marketing machine" is a zombie who is agreeing because they're being brainwashed and are obviously not fans of Fallout.
As for visiting their forums to get a taste, only a fool would go into a fight with the odds stacked against them. James Randi refused to walk into certain biased talk shows, and I don't see the reason why
not going into somebody else's forum is any reason against bashing it. Rather, reading a forum should be indicative enough of its denizens without actually joining it. He mentions other forums, but he doesn't seem to notice that other forums that bash Fallout 3 have a huge part of their constituency cross-populated with NMA. Thing is, it's not really his problem to keep track of the going ons of other forums, but then again it shouldn't be a gigantic webportal's problem to post a main page rebuttal to an Internet blog or Something Awful, both of which are emotional rants or jokes. Can you imagine Mike posting a main page rebuttal to Something Awful's trashing of SDN ever?
The whole research point is total bullshit, particularly because you mention the Fallout rabid is only one small phenomenon. A blog is obviously a personal story, and anybody who reads blogs knows this. I have seen posters say it's a "moral outrage" (one wonders if they know the meaning of moral) for Bethesda to destroy the Fallout 3 trademark. One wonders if they know what moral is. People saying the nuclear catapult is not Fallout is bullshit -- what are they basing their tastes on, I think a man-portable Davey Crockett-esque nuke is very Fallout. Finally they mention that the isometric turn-based is a small part of their argument. Whether this is true or not, that's even admitting it's part of their argument, and no matter how small it's stupid unless they want to outright come out and say, we do not mind a first person view. A small stupid part of an argument is still stupid.
But if some people want to come out and say, hey, we were wrong, or certain parts of our community were wrong, to trash Fallout for being non-isometric, I am willing to listen and more power to them. Closing ranks around your tribe is fucking bullshit. But hey, I am not going to close ranks around SDN, which are apparently a bunch of "oblivion wankers" (I have played oblivion for all of five minutes.) I will note that the point of SDN is
not Fallout and likely Cao Cao will not get banned or titled or anything of the sort just for being a rabid Fallout fan (can you imagine a Senate thread coming up about that, half the people would go what the fuck is Fallout and who gives a shit about Cao Cao why are we talking about him) while the point of NMA is Fallout and therefore far less neutral territory than SDN.
So if anybody on there wants to come here, I am waiting. I am willing to see what the "true" Fallout fan position is, because a lot of them seem to think the representation of Fallout 3 bashing consists of strawmen thrown out. Cao Cao, if you are active on NMA you can say there is at least one poster with an open mind, who is willing to see what the real criticism of Fallout 3 is, willing to debate on neutral territory. And are you defending SDN in that thread? If not, why, tribalism? You're part of our tribe too Cao Cao
. No matter what one poster in that comments thread thinks, SDN is not a place full of Oblivion wankers.
Get one of them to come over here particularly because their charge is nobody bothers to go to their forums before painting them all with the same brush. They said it, that a person should walk into a forum before judging it. Let's see if they walk the walk when they talk the talk.
