NecronLord wrote:DEATH wrote:He handled the Vacuum of space well enough.
Some humanoid sci-fi species can do that just fine. Luxans and Time Lords (and the guys from
The Algabraist, for a more extreme advantage) spring to mind, but I'm sure there's more.
Yes, but from different settings. (By Algebraist you mean the Dwellers? The ones who look like floating gas-ball tentacle things and live inside gas giants and don't look remotely humanoid ?:P).
What's more, with limited internal pressure inside him,
He had a large hollow inside his chest, as well as the constant pressure that would be required for his organs and circuitry. Sounds like the requirements for a sealed system to me. For all we know his eyes could be inside a metal hollow and linked to optic-fiber "nerves" relayed back to his pulpy brain.
the damage from an explosive decompression should be quite limited. He was only out there briefly, after all. Not long enough for his eyes to freeze.
I haven't seen the movie for a while, but wasn't he spacewalking on the (quickly) moving ship for a few minutes?
Humans don't always explode in a vacuum, let alone cyborgs who may well have been designed to endure such conditions better than humans.
That being precisely my point, and modifications could include some form of NBC protection, or at least partial sealing for his bloody Organ sack.
Hence the armour. My organs can't even survive exposure to open air, the damn things.
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Ah, but his armour wasn't sealed against the enviroment becoming super-heated.
How do we know that? We saw that multiple blaster bolts inside the armour took time to flammate his bloody heart, didn't scorch the back of the armour, and only burned his internal organs after the heart had exploded.
Hell, he even showed his organs off in the CW cartoon.
Er, when
Windu crushed his heart, but we only saw the chest armour caving in.
Oh yeah. Listen I wasn't trying to argue that Grevious could saunter through Starfighter shots,
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the book was.
At the risk of being morally uneven, I retain the right to use examples that I would otherwise disagree with, if it serves to help me survive a debate
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As I recall, it contained things like 'a faceplate that could survive a starfighter shot'
'Survive' is a very vague term, after all, my body might survive an Atom bomb due to a few skeletons remaining within my charred carcass. (Again, relating to your waste heat comment, that despite disagreeing with to a degree is relevant if talking about starfighter level power. Damn, I've just included another point against myself, haven't I.
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Yeah, yeah. Again, no-one's suggesting that he could take a proton torpedo to the face.
Proton torps are multi-megaton. Starfighter lasers are meant to be (at least, according to AotC ICS) kiloton-range.
A quick check at my new (:mrgreen:) Complete ICS has a Geonosian fighter with a single, powerful Laser cannon using 1x10^13 joules per shot.
Assuming a typical cannon (of which there would be the normal 2-4, as is the case with most fighters) an estimate of 1x10^12 joules per shot is a reasonable low-end, or in other words, single digit Terajoules. Less than a Kilo-ton, but still enough that small person arms would be rather ineffective. (However the fact that the word was "survived" rather than "resist" or "ignore" makes this more credible, due to the fact that Grevious didn't hold lightsabers in his bare hands/manipulators).
Could you perhaps provide the exact quote (I only have a version of the audio-book) so that we could examine its semantics as to whether it means a starfighters armaments or merely its anti-fighter "lasers"? (Or we could ignore this point, I'm terrible at this sort of "Common sense decrees that it's only the X" Quibbling).
And they are suggesting he can be hit by them in the face and survive...
That
his face-plate could survive. (A bullet can hit Kevlar without penetrating, but leave a very nasty bruise). And again, it's an example of how Grevious is generally portrayed (Rather like how the Clone wars being shown as a vast conflict over-rules the "Brush fire" description
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Such as space,
You know, explosive decompression isn't a certainty. In which case, thirty seconds exposure won't necesserily fuck you over, though it certainly isn't good for you.
True, but he didn't show any ill effects from his exposure, he ignored it. (And we know that he can feel pain, from the Utapau incident).
a super-heated, blasted hull,
Which looked rather... not super heated in the region he was actually in.
The hull itself had been blasted, and I'd mis-remembered that. I also think that the IH was plunging by that time, but I can't remember if it was in Coruscant's orbit by that time... Mea Culpa in that case. (Although the sheer amounts of energy being shunted around from the ships turrets could not have been a detractor to this "feat").
a lightsaber's blade
Except, lightsabers
don't dump significant heat (to the point that they're explicitly described as not doing so) into their enviroment until they hit something. Hence totally (well, comparatively) normal people, like Han Solo being able to turn them on without being burnt. And if someone actually hit him in the eye with a lightsaber, I rather think it
would harm him.
Sorry, brain fart on my part. Conceeded.
or a ship's shield with all of its delightful radiation?
Again, would that actually harm a normal man at that distance? I am not aware of him ever, say, walking through a starship shield.
Evacuating the IH?
But it does have something to do with claims that such speed is ridicolous compared to other sources, and it says something about the technology in him. (It's not an exact relationship, but if he wouldn't be any tougher than modern titanium why should we assume that he could move faster than modern robotic limbs? And Vice Versa).
Robots in Star Wars rarely ever move particularly quickly.
They also rarely show sentience, the sheer quantity of them and the escalating costs for certain "upgrades" makes it innefficient. (And doubtless, there would be regulations, who's want a bar-keeping droid capable of slicing your head off, even if its speed would make it economical, as opposed to cannon fodder B-1's ).
Even Magnaguards appear to be no faster than meat-and-bone humans can manage, even though they're much more coordinated.
When do we see a non force using human handle a Magna-droid in close combat? The closest we get is game mechanics, where Elite, enhanced Clone troopers within fortified positions with Blaster-turrets and terrain and superior numbers manage to take down 1-2 Magna-guards (who were not in Grevious's personal bodyguard). (SW:Clone commando)
The only example of a super-speed robot that springs to mind is Guri.
Or Grevious, or IG-88A,B,C,D,E (His descriptions have him eventually "dialing down" his processor speed so as to realize that an alarm panel is lighting up).
Close, it shows that he can process combat data at an incredible rate, and that can use it effectively as well (he adapted to the Vaapad after all, he didn't just go "Combat style learnt, must practice with Count before upgrading", he used it. If I can learn Sanskrit from an English book within minutes, why shouldn't I be able to scribble randomly within an even shorter timeframe, or why shouldn't I be able to turn the pages and read the "title" within seconds.
False analogy. Learning the patterns of someone's movement and how to imitate it doesn't translate to being able to move super-uber fast.
But it requires thinking incredibly fast, from which derives reflexes and reaction time to match.
True, it doesn't mean that he can physically move fast enough (Rather like Jedi's precognition being overwhelmed by not being able to physically move fast enough to react to two separate vectors of attack), but it does support his ability to handle the co-ordination required for multiple vecotrs and angles in his attacks.
What you're actually saying is that, if you can learn to imitate a sword style, you should automatically be able to move your limbs at matrix-esque speed.
No, that I would have to be able to think at Matrix-esque speeds in order to process and utilize that information. (In addition, the very fact that he overwhelmed jedi with his sheer speed at times requires super-human speed, since Jedi are Superhumanly fast with their own reflex "Hack").
Do you understand how quick twenty 'independant' blows per second is? That's almost one per film frame.
0.833333333 per second to be precise
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Even the Clone Wars Grievous moves at nothing like the rate the one in the novel does.
But he's far stronger, and dominating in his combat prowess. (Mace Windu aside). He's also more durable, what with being Blasted by a point blank Rocket to the face off a kilometers high skyscraper while running down at an absurd speed into the horizon. And he doesn't suffer a scratch from it.
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I doubt even Clone Wars Mace Windu Marvel Super Hero manages that.
He goes even faster when using his pateneted "Drill-hammer Kung-fu" technique, actually.
. There's a reason why I didn't go for CW examples, the sheer power level is stupendously over-the top. (Albeit, it looked awesome).
