Dinobot vs. Chmee

[Drooling Iguana]

Due to an unexplained anomaly in space-time, Dinobot (the velociraptor Transformer from Beast Wars) and Chmee (from Larry Niven's Ringworld books) end up in an uninhabited jungle together. One of them looks at the other in the wrong way and they decide to battle to the death. Who wins in the following scenarios:

1) Both combatants are unarmed, and Dinobot has his eye-beams disabled.
2) Dinobot's eye-beams are fully functional and both combatatants have their choice of handheld weaponry, with knowledge of what the other's weapons are capable of.

This is Chmee as he was immediately after the events of Ringworld Engineers and Dinobot as he was in early season 2 of Beast Wars.

[Enigma]

Which Dinobot? Pre or post Transmetal?

[Drooling Iguana]

As I said, season 2, so pre-Transmetal.

[Sidewinder]

Dinobot single-handedly took on the entire Predacon forces on Earth, and WON. (He suffered fatal injuries as a result, but...) I say the Predacon defector wins.

[Bounty]

I don't have much info on Chmee, but Dinobot is on home ground here. He's excellent at hand-to-hand combat, extremely inventive and highly persistent. If the Wiki info is correct, Chmee is basically a 9-foot big cat and, after a confrontation with Dinobot, pretty much dead.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Dinobot is a hardass that refuses to give up even when his computer is telling him to go into stasis lock immediately or he'll die. Given the proper motivation he took out all the Predacons at once, most of whom were physically stronger, more durable, or agile. Unfortunately for Chmee, Dinobot is an armor-plated war-bot. While shorter, Dinobot would almost definetely outweigh Chmee by several hundred, if not over a thousand, pounds. IIRC, Dinobot can withstand getting shot up by Blackarachnia without suffering too much damage, so I doubt a giant cat-man would pose much threat without weapons. As an honorable fellow, Dinobot would probably hold back enough to give Chmee a chance in hell. Sadly, armor-plated warbots are tougher than a Kzin.

Armed, Dinobot would have the upper-hand. Eyebeams, his sword and shield-thing, and any heavy weapons he chooses to bring along. Depending on how powerful Ringworld weapons are, he may even be able to take a couple hits without being disabled by them. Without noteable amounts of armor (and maybe not even then) Chmee will be taking hits that posed a serious threat to all but the toughest of the Beast Wars characters. Chmee would be hosed unless Dinobot went straight up melee.


This is really a one-sided fight unless Chmee can rend heavy armor using only his teeth and claws with relative ease. Because Dinobot is quite agile, cunning, vicious, and focused. He has absolutely no issue with killing, as demonstrated with his clone in season 1. Even with weapons, Dinobot has far fewer problems with taking a hit.

[Imperial Overlord]

1) Dinobot. Unarmed robot beats Kzin.

2) Favors Dinobot. Known Space hand held weaponry is potent enough that Chmee has a chance.

[Bounty]

Eyebeams, his sword and shield-thing, and any heavy weapons he chooses to bring along.

In Coming of the Fuzors, his weapon-of-choice was a six-foot shotgun. His eyebeams alone can shoot through solid rock and his sword/drill weapon can cut through Inferno like butter.

I do believe this would be enough to defeat a coat of fur.

(and if anyone wants to see what Dinobot is capable of, here's a shoddy video of the final battle in Code of Hero)

[Solauren]

Dinobot beat the tar out of Transmetal 2 Megatron, using a Rock on the end of a stick.

'nuff said

[Bounty]

Dinobot beat the tar out of Transmetal 2 Megatron, using a Rock on the end of a stick.

'nuff said

Megs was a TM I back then. He didn't become a TM II until Master Blaster in season 3.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Dinobot beat the tar out of Transmetal 2 Megatron, using a Rock on the end of a stick.

'nuff said

Megs was a TM I back then. He didn't become a TM II until Master Blaster in season 3.

I have a theory that Megatron was imprinted into our ancestors 'genetic memory', thus creating the scourge known as Barney, and we'll never know which was the more sinister.

[Zor]

1-Dinobot, hands down out of superior durrability and strength as well as sheer badassery.
2-Dinobot takes it again The only weapon i remember Chmee using is a Variable Sword which while an effective melee weapon is a melee weapon, and as such will be shot. As well, the Axelon has a large number of heavy weapons onboard which he has used, which i assume he can use.

Zor

[Howedar]

Chmeee wielded a variable-sword because he was in a control room on a spacecraft. He was seen in Engineers with at least a hand-held disintegrator and a flashlight-laser.

[ThatGuyFromThatPlace]

Dinobot goes to town on an unarmed Chmee.

With Weapons? I have to take the opposing view here, known-space hand weapons are highly potent, in Ringworld all we ever really saw were un-restricted (or at least mildly restricted) civilian tech-turned makeshift weapon, and even just out of that grab bag, slaver stasis fields and mining tools are enough to turn the tide to the Kzin. With military grade technology its hard to imagine a situation in which Chmee doesn't come out unscathed standing on the remains of Dinobot.

[Imperial Overlord]

With Weapons? I have to take the opposing view here, known-space hand weapons are highly potent, in Ringworld all we ever really saw were un-restricted (or at least mildly restricted) civilian tech-turned makeshift weapon, and even just out of that grab bag, slaver stasis fields and mining tools are enough to turn the tide to the Kzin. With military grade technology its hard to imagine a situation in which Chmee doesn't come out unscathed standing on the remains of Dinobot.

The Op only gives him hand weapons, not body armour, stasis field, or heavy weapons. Which means he's facing a well armed, larger robot with only a hand weapon. Now I do think that gives him a chance, because Known Space does have all sorts of cool high powered shit, but he's giving up a lot in terms of durability to the robot with the death ray glare.

[Imperial Overlord]

With Weapons? I have to take the opposing view here, known-space hand weapons are highly potent, in Ringworld all we ever really saw were un-restricted (or at least mildly restricted) civilian tech-turned makeshift weapon, and even just out of that grab bag, slaver stasis fields and mining tools are enough to turn the tide to the Kzin. With military grade technology its hard to imagine a situation in which Chmee doesn't come out unscathed standing on the remains of Dinobot.

The Op only gives him hand weapons, not body armour, stasis field, or heavy weapons. Which means he's facing a well armed, larger robot with only a hand weapon. Now I do think that gives him a chance, because Known Space does have all sorts of cool high powered shit, but he's giving up a lot in terms of durability to the robot with the death ray glare. And Slaver Disintegrators take too fucking long to kill someone with, although they are nasty.

[ThatGuyFromThatPlace]

I never mentioned heavy weapons, I'll concede slaver stasis fields, but the slaver mining tools would probably do a serious number on dinobot, and military grade known-space hand weapons are presumably much more powerful than that.

It turns into a who shoots first competition and Chmee has untold generations of evolution into a highly intelligent jungle stalking machine on dinobot and a range kill from ambush is a likely fate for the predacon defector

[Howedar]

The Op only gives him hand weapons, not body armour, stasis field, or heavy weapons. Which means he's facing a well armed, larger robot with only a hand weapon. Now I do think that gives him a chance, because Known Space does have all sorts of cool high powered shit, but he's giving up a lot in terms of durability to the robot with the death ray glare. And Slaver Disintegrators take too fucking long to kill someone with, although they are nasty.

Why do you say that? In Ringworld, they were able to dig a hole fast enough that they had to pause frequently to let the atomized dirt float away. How much thickness do you suppose Dino-whatever can lose before he's no longer effective?

[Imperial Overlord]

Hand held Slaver disintegrators are crappy hand weapons because they systematically strip away the top layers of their target. The Sea Statue Slaver shot a guy in the face with his disintegrator when his stasis field was turned off and while the victim was disfigured, he lived.

A flash light laser, on the other hand, is small, handy and can cut a tree in half by just waving the beam at it. I don't want to spend two or three seconds eating through a big robot's outer armour layer. I want him dead now. That's why they don't get used as weapons (freaky things like the Wonderland Treaty Maker being an exception) in the Known Space universe and are instead used as tools.

[Drooling Iguana]

Minor alteration to the OP: Let's say that this takes place immediately prior to the events of The Ringworld Engineers, so that Chmee isn't limited to the weapons that he and Louis brought with them to the Ringworld and can instead use any commonly available hand weapon from the Known Space universe.

[Howedar]

Hand held Slaver disintegrators are crappy hand weapons because they systematically strip away the top layers of their target. The Sea Statue Slaver shot a guy in the face with his disintegrator when his stasis field was turned off and while the victim was disfigured, he lived.

It's silly to suggest that all disintegrators are equally powerful. I recall the one in Ringworld not being used as a weapon because it was excessively powerful, not because it was lacking.

[Imperial Overlord]

Hand held Slaver disintegrators are crappy hand weapons because they systematically strip away the top layers of their target. The Sea Statue Slaver shot a guy in the face with his disintegrator when his stasis field was turned off and while the victim was disfigured, he lived.

It's silly to suggest that all disintegrators are equally powerful. I recall the one in Ringworld not being used as a weapon because it was excessively powerful, not because it was lacking.

My recollection is that is wasn't used because it wouldn't kill people fast enough, compared to the "slice through beserker horde" bit they could do with the flashlight lasers. In any case, I'll take a rifle sized version of a flashlight laser against Dinobot rather than a digging tool that can be used as a weapon. If the little maglite sized version can slice down a crowd or easily cut a tree in half, a rifle should make him very dead.

[Lord of the Abyss]

Hand held Slaver disintegrators are crappy hand weapons because they systematically strip away the top layers of their target. The Sea Statue Slaver shot a guy in the face with his disintegrator when his stasis field was turned off and while the victim was disfigured, he lived.

It's silly to suggest that all disintegrators are equally powerful. I recall the one in Ringworld not being used as a weapon because it was excessively powerful, not because it was lacking.

My recollection is that is wasn't used because it wouldn't kill people fast enough, compared to the "slice through beserker horde" bit they could do with the flashlight lasers.

No, IIRC that was the two beam variant of the digging tool. It had one beam that suppressed the negative charge; another the positive charge. Use both at once and *BOOM* !. You have a major flow of electricity that vaporizes everything between the two beams.

Normal disintegrators are much safer, but much less effective as weapons.

[Imperial Overlord]

No, IIRC that was the two beam variant of the digging tool. It had one beam that suppressed the negative charge; another the positive charge. Use both at once and *BOOM* !. You have a major flow of electricity that vaporizes everything between the two beams.

Normal disintegrators are much safer, but much less effective as weapons.

No, the two beam is the standard model of disintegrator. Being slow acting to avoid the charge flow might be a safety feature. The Wonderland Treaty Maker is notable in that they built each beam as a giant separate cannon and then fired one at one end of the target area and the other at the opposite end. The charge flow was so ferocious that it melted the rock and the Kzin bases sunk. Their stasis field protected them from the molten rock, but that only meant they ended up entombed in volcanic rock, literally buried alive. Sucked to be them.

[Lord of the Abyss]

No, IIRC that was the two beam variant of the digging tool. It had one beam that suppressed the negative charge; another the positive charge. Use both at once and *BOOM* !. You have a major flow of electricity that vaporizes everything between the two beams.

Normal disintegrators are much safer, but much less effective as weapons.

No, the two beam is the standard model of disintegrator. Being slow acting to avoid the charge flow might be a safety feature. The Wonderland Treaty Maker is notable in that they built each beam as a giant separate cannon and then fired one at one end of the target area and the other at the opposite end. The charge flow was so ferocious that it melted the rock and the Kzin bases sunk. Their stasis field protected them from the molten rock, but that only meant they ended up entombed in volcanic rock, literally buried alive. Sucked to be them.

No, the single beam is standard. The dual beam ones were part of the puppeteer's idea of diplomacy, for the party to have 'no weapons'. Instead they had laser flashlights that just happened to be highly destructive at maximum focus and intensity, a digging tool that just happened to be highly destructive if you used both beams at once, and so on.

"It is worthless as a weapon," the kzin rumbled. "We have studied it. It works too slowly to be used against an enemy."

"Exactly. A harmless toy. This item -" The item held in the puppeteer's mouth looked like a double-barrelled shotgun, except that the handle had a characteristic puppeteer-built look, like quicksilver caught in the act of flowing from one shape to another.

"This item is exactly like the Slaver disintegrator digging tool, except that one beam suppresses the positive charge on the proton. One should be careful not to use both beams at once, as the beams are both parallel and seperate."

"I understand," said the kzin. "If the twin beams were allowed to fall next to each other, there would be a current flow."