STGOD: A Dead Art?

[Thirdfain]

Oh, GREAT. Good work, Dark Hellion. With allies like you, I don't need enemies. Maybe next time you should consult the extensive alliance system you rely on for your continued survival before making such an inflamatory move?

That little statement may have just cost your nation it's independence. I'm not sure Poland can help you now.

Actually, as a mod, I'm afraid that your post represents an example of using OOC knowledge IC. Poland has made no statements whatsoever about the Kiroter'nah attacks, which occured way out in the border regions in an extremely stealthy way, and there's no way you'd know about the Polish intelligence regarding Kiroter'nah complicitcy in the recent events. Frankly, your entire post is bullshit for that reason.

[Starglider]

Oh, GREAT. Good work, Dark Hellion. With allies like you, I don't need enemies.

I was going to congratulate him for finally starting a general war, but I was trying to find out which of the NGTO players are actually still around first. Redleader is obviously still active and I know Crossroads is around, but I haven't seen any of the other players for a while.

and there's no way you'd know about the Polish intelligence regarding Kiroter'nah complicitcy in the recent events.

Oh, I thought you'd CCed that to him in advance.

EDIT: I suppose Beowulf could've informed him directly?

[Crossroads Inc.]

That reminds me... We REALLY Need to get the NGTO back together.

Acidburns was one of our stronger members, but he hasn't been around in a while either. I have a feeling they may still be active, but just not posting as ,really, there hasn't been much happening in our sector of space.

Starglider, between you and me, care to start sending PM's to get as many members as we can together? I posted a summons in the NGTO Council thread, but that didn't get any responses. We need to go for something more direct.

As for Dark Helions bit... As much as I would lOVE for that to happen, it really looks like hes using OOC knowledge, which would moot the post. Of course if that isn't the case, you can count on RUDI's calculatioons on war changing rather quickly, and the 'votes' of the UISC Council changing right after that.

[Starglider]

I posted a summons in the NGTO Council thread, but that didn't get any responses. We need to go for something more direct.

I will do so, but I haven't seen them on IM for a while, so I suspect they're on holiday or otherwise offline for some reason (I know A-Wing was going away for a while and Rhoenix did that whole seclusion thing in game).

Certainly if there are just the two of us (plus whatever Redleader can spare from Sol, which probably isn't much) it will be a glorious but rather short fight. Unless Hellion is completely on his own.

As for Dark Helions bit... As much as I would lOVE for that to happen, it really looks like hes using OOC knowledge, which would moot the post.

Well, it would not surprise me if Beowulf recruited him a while ago, since he's the only other possible local ally against Noble Ire, who he's now at war with.

[Hotfoot]

Dark Hellion...wow.

I'll admit I'm torn. Let you keep your post and have you inherit the beating of a lifetime, or strike the post from the record, replace it with something equally stupid that doesn't involve blatant metagaming, then watch you inherit the beating of a lifetime.

Jesus fucking Christ, what is wrong with you? You started in an unenviable position and worked your way up to being in a situation where you could make something out of possibly getting the shit beaten out of you. Now....

Well let me put this gently. You're fucked, kid. Did you miss the dozens of times where we said that Metagaming is NOT TOLERATED? Yet here you are with some of the most egregious metagaming I've seen in a long ass time.

I'm going to enjoy this. You'd best contact me on AIM ASAP pal, because otherwise I'm going to just go hog wild.

[Beowulf]

Note: I've edited this post with IC information that took place over PM at that point in time. Be warned, it's rather lengthy.

[Thirdfain]

Certainly if there are just the two of us (plus whatever Redleader can spare from Sol, which probably isn't much) it will be a glorious but rather short fight. Unless Hellion is completely on his own.

I, for one, will not be attacking you unless all your players are present. That would be hugely dishonorable.

I'd think they'd want to get in on this- the game is heating up for sure.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Certainly if there are just the two of us (plus whatever Redleader can spare from Sol, which probably isn't much) it will be a glorious but rather short fight. Unless Hellion is completely on his own.

I, for one, will not be attacking you unless all your players are present. That would be hugely dishonorable.

I'd think they'd want to get in on this- the game is heating up for sure.

Ship for ship, I think I have one of the more powerful Starfleets out there. But that means nothing if I am ganged up on. Part of why I want to shake up the NGTO is because things are heating up and I don't want to be caught with just me and Starglider if things get messy... Which, invaribly they will

By the by... WHEN are we getting "next Turn" because reall,y we are 17pages into the game and I depsertly want to spend points on a number of ver important things that "IG" should already be finished.

I wonder, can I "deficit spend" ?

[Thirdfain]

Ship for Ship doesn't matter- in a conflict with, say, the Polish Fleet, you'd be facing something like 2-3 Polish warships for every vessel in your navy. Ahem. In other words, bring it on, Junior

As for next turn, I'm in favor of it's initiation right after this immediate round of combat.

[Starglider]

Ok, two ships down.

One ship has made it into Noble Ire's group of fleeing ships, though it has taken a lot of damage. It will live or die with the rest of that group.

One ship is going on a kamikaze run against a Kitaka destroyer that was almost wrecked by Noble Ire's forces a few minutes earlier; it wouldn't have a chance against anything more mobile and/or shielded.

EDIT: UCBooties has asked me to take over command of his fleet for the duration of the engagement with Thirdfain, as he will be offline for a while. I'll be posting about that tomorrow, but in the mean time, you can assume they're on the way.

[Imperial Overlord]

As for next turn, I'm in favor of it's initiation right after this immediate round of combat.

That sounds workable. There's been several crisises and tensions, as well as contact and travel.

[Thirdfain]

EDIT: UCBooties has asked me to take over command of his fleet for the duration of the engagement with Thirdfain, as he will be offline for a while. I'll be posting about that tomorrow, but in the mean time, you can assume they're on the way.

Lovely, simply lovely. Let's get with posting their arrival at Masovie, shall we? That's gonna be the important post which gets this thing moving along.

-edit- And could we possibly get complete point costs for some things here? Like the FEA force, for instance.

[Academia Nut]

Next turn after the immediate round of conflicts is over sounds good to me.

Also, since the pirate hunting thing is over with having a died a death of neglect, would a mod, or any other interested party, like to play Space Hulk with me instead, or should I just declare the radioactive system mine and start doing machinations with it?

[Darkevilme]

somebody call for the cats? ^^

Uh can i have a current time summary pretty please? Things look a lil complicated at the moment.

Next turn wise.
i have plans for a new class of battleship built as a sensor and EW platform. How long are turns again in gametime so i can think of a realistic time to spend building it?

Also i'm planning to invest in commandoes, one or two extra cruisers, better defences, early warning, a part of this plan to build a massive huge freighter (is that still in the works?) and lastly a new wardrobe for Kara.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Darkevil!

Your timing is impecable, we'll be glad to have you bnack, if you want to post an update in the NGTO Council thread it would be appricated.. I'll be posting when I get home from work.

The Frighter idea is still on, but we wont have to spend as much on it as I'd originally planned. A frighter, even a massive one, will cost much much less than a military Warship.

<_<
>_>

[Thirdfain]

Ahem. I think it would be best if there was a moratorium on reacting to Dark Hellion's silliness, because his post is FULL of information he could not possibly have had in-game. Hotfoot is modsticking as we speak.

[Darkevilme]

Okay, understood Thirdfain, care to use that time to tell me what's going on with the ships exploding and stuff? i'm sure it was supposed to be everyones stuff versus yours there but for some reason...yeah i'm confuzzled.

And Crossroads, way ahead of ya, Kara's going to Jahlin when you say the time, your news about the freighter also frees up for me a decent amount of points to spend on queenly dresses for her queenyness.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Sounds good. I'll be looking forward to formal meetings again where we can catch everyone up on things INgame.. A lot of uys have been in and out, so we've missed a lot. Its intimadating to come back, so maybe this will help once we get things at Jahlin going.

Back on the frighter idea. I know we talked about the covert secondary nature of it, but with all the metagaming going on im not sure how much i should say here >_<

[Starglider]

Three players that Thirdfain pissed off decided to do something about him. I offered to help as much as I could with the ships my paranoid faction had control of, since earth was (and is) getting dangerously powerful. Beowulf was invited because he looked like he wanted to shoot something (correct on that count at least...).

Beowulf sent the attack plan and meeting logs to Thirdfain ahead of time, so that he could prepare a defence, then ambushed Noble Ire's forces (plus a small group of minelayers I'd left there) with the aid of Adrian's previously-undetected task force. Currently Noble Ire is fighting against Kitaka/Hasburg force about three times the size of his own, while White Haven's and UCBootie's fleets have just crossed the Polish border. News of this hasn't even reached earth yet, never mind had time to be announced.

Meanwhile Dark Hellion snapped under the psychological pressure of having a war fleet staring him down and declared war on the NGTO. By either an amazing conincidence or startlingly impressive intelligence, his rant fairly accurately described the currently-unfolding events.

[Thirdfain]

Meanwhile Dark Hellion snapped under the psychological pressure of having a war fleet staring him down and declared war on the NGTO. By either an amazing conincidence or startlingly impressive intelligence, his rant fairly accurately described the currently-unfolding events.

Ahem, for the moment there is a moratorium on reaction to that post, as it is under mod review as blatant usage of OOC knowledge.

[SirNitram]

Yes, Thirdfain. It is. Now please sit down and settle down. You're involved, so you really should take off the mod-hat for this one.

[Noble Ire]

And could we possibly get complete point costs for some things here? Like the FEA force, for instance.

Complete point cost? If you mean the total for the elements of the 2nd Fleet Core that are currently engaged, the number started at 342, I believe. Losses at this time are 1 frigate (20p) and 4 corvettes (4p), with almost every other ship damaged to some degree. On top of that, I fully expect 2 heavy cruisers and 3 more corvettes to go up in the next turn, at the very least.

[Adrian Laguna]

NI, you've lost five corvettes. You stated six got away, two are dead ships fighting, and another one hanging with the two cruisers you sent against my fast flotillas. That's nine corvettes, you started with fourteen, 14 -9 = 5. Quite frankly considering what they're up against I think you should have taken heavier losses among your escorts, but we can just say you got lucky and leave it at that.

[Noble Ire]

NI, you've lost five corvettes. You stated six got away, two are dead ships fighting, and another one hanging with the two cruisers you sent against my fast flotillas. That's nine corvettes, you started with fourteen, 14 -n9 = 5.

You're right; my mistake. I had originally had seven making it back to the carriers, but I nixed one of them to make more losses more reasonable.

[Dark Hellion]

I am sorry, I thought that the big clusterfuck battle that took place over multiple light years would be visible to everyone. And I thought that the attacks where on the outskirts of Polish territory, which would be under heavy observation by all active players. I think I was mistaken with how visible the actions of Starglider and others where. I thought that the NGTO had actually made a first move and I was reacting.

And yes I know that it was a major overreaction, and a politically stupid move. I have said it dozens of times, my faction is politically naive and rather dumb. They don't really understand biological politics, don't understand concepts like honor or hurt feelings. They saw a faction that threatened them make a move that would cause other nations to attack them and decided to utilize it, thus positioning themselves to clear away a dangerous enemy, take lots of territory, and avoid the general badness that their usual fighting style incurs.