Gandalf the white vs yoda AOTC

[Darth Wong]

Yet you haven't addressed the non-trivial fall that would squash Yoda, how come?

You haven't addressed the battledroids that would have easily killed Gandalf, how come?

[Morat]

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Not to mention defeating all those orcs in The Hobbit

As if Yoda couldn't kill a mob of Orcs.
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and holding the door against the Balrog in LOTR (and the Balrog is certainly very strong physically, if nothing else)

How about Yoda lifting a 10 ton starfighter out of a swamp? Or stopping a huge multi-storey metallic column from falling (probably weighed more than the X-Wing)?
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and deflecting all the weapons of the Fellowship in LOTR.

Yoda could have easily killed the entire Fellowship.

I was responding to someone else, not submitting those for consideration in the debate. I didn't mean to imply that those things were impressive compared to what Yoda can do.

A gift from some higher order of beings. Does not mean he can do it as much as he wants; it's up to them, not him.

Sauron, who is the same species as Gandalf, can back from the dead multiple times without any assistance. This is discussed in LOTR, though it is explained a bit more in the so-called "apocrapha."

[Admiral Valdemar]

There is also the falling down that big pit in Moria and hitting the water at a nice pace which should not be discounted.

Yoda wouldn't even have fallen in the first place.

Irrelevant, Gandalf survived the fall. Deal with it.

Not to mention defeating all those orcs in The Hobbit

As if Yoda couldn't kill a mob of Orcs.[/quote]

Your backing for this is what exactly? Oh, you have non.

and holding the door against the Balrog in LOTR (and the Balrog is certainly very strong physically, if nothing else)

How about Yoda lifting a 10 ton starfighter out of a swamp? Or stopping a huge multi-storey metallic column from falling (probably weighed more than the X-Wing)?[/quote]

Last I checked those doors were a wee bit bigger than a little snubnose fighter.

and deflecting all the weapons of the Fellowship in LOTR.

Yoda could have easily killed the entire Fellowship.[/quote]

Before or after Legolas nails him in the eye?

Coming back from the dead in LOTR.

A gift from some higher order of beings. Does not mean he can do it as much as he wants; it's up to them, not him.[/quote]

He's pretty much immortal.

Projecting an image of himself over a great distance in LOTR.

How about Yoda watching Luke grow up on Tatooine from thousands of fucking light years away? Now that is "great distance".[/quote]

That's impressive, I'll concede that if only because Gandalf doesn't need to do it.

Plus, there's his quote from Two Towers: "None of you [Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas] have any weapons that could hurt me." That's no small thing, considering that the Three Hunters were carrying Anduril, and a set of bow and arrows from Lothlorien.
Ooooh, Gandalf can handle some primitives armed with swords and arrows. Remind me to be impressed.

Yeah, I liked how their weapons turned white hot. Of course Yoda can take that, he's special...

[Morat]

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Not to mention defeating all those orcs in The Hobbit

As if Yoda couldn't kill a mob of Orcs.
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and holding the door against the Balrog in LOTR (and the Balrog is certainly very strong physically, if nothing else)

How about Yoda lifting a 10 ton starfighter out of a swamp? Or stopping a huge multi-storey metallic column from falling (probably weighed more than the X-Wing)?
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and deflecting all the weapons of the Fellowship in LOTR.

Yoda could have easily killed the entire Fellowship.

I was responding to someone else, not submitting those for consideration in the debate. I didn't mean to imply that those things were impressive compared to what Yoda can do.

A gift from some higher order of beings. Does not mean he can do it as much as he wants; it's up to them, not him.

Sauron, who is the same species as Gandalf, can back from the dead multiple times without any assistance. This is discussed in LOTR, though it is explained a bit more in the so-called "apocrapha."

[Admiral Valdemar]

Yet you haven't addressed the non-trivial fall that would squash Yoda, how come?

You haven't addressed the battledroids that would have easily killed Gandalf, how come?

The battledroids aren't in this argument, it's Yoda last I checked. Weren't you the anti-red herring guy here?

[Darth Wong]

Sauron, who is the same species as Gandalf, can back from the dead multiple times without any assistance. This is discussed in LOTR, though it is explained a bit more in the so-called "apocrapha."

If Gandalf has to die, wait, and then come back after Yoda has plenty of time to do whatever he wants (assuming he can actually do this indefinitely, which you do not have any guarantee of whatsoever), then you have basically conceded defeat. Unless your idea of victory is to simply wait until Yoda dies of old age, in which case you're just playing games. Victory in battle is decided by who walks off the field of battle and who is carried off. Gandalf would be carried off, hence Gandalf loses.

[Darth Wong]

Yet you haven't addressed the non-trivial fall that would squash Yoda, how come?

You haven't addressed the battledroids that would have easily killed Gandalf, how come?

The battledroids aren't in this argument, it's Yoda last I checked. Weren't you the anti-red herring guy here?

Yes. I was trying to point out the inanity of your argument that a particular scenario should be used as proof of superiority. You've been using the Balrog all fucking night, and then the minute I say "battledroid" you get all pissy about red-herrings, FINALLY ADMITTING THE FUCKING POINT: that anything besides Gandalf and Yoda's intrinsic ability to kill each other in combat is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Sauron, who is the same species as Gandalf, can back from the dead multiple times without any assistance. This is discussed in LOTR, though it is explained a bit more in the so-called "apocrapha."

If Gandalf has to die, wait, and then come back after Yoda has plenty of time to do whatever he wants (assuming he can actually do this indefinitely, which you do not have any guarantee of whatsoever), then you have basically conceded defeat. Unless your idea of victory is to simply wait until Yoda dies of old age, in which case you're just playing games. Victory in battle is decided by who walks off the field of battle and who is carried off. Gandalf would be carried off, hence Gandalf loses.

Yoda would be carried off, hence Yoda loses. That's some good logic there, care to back some of it up other than throwing hissy fits about wanking fests and LotR fanatics )of which I am not one by the way).

[Darth Wong]

Yoda would be carried off, hence Yoda loses. That's some good logic there, care to back some of it up other than throwing hissy fits about wanking fests and LotR fanatics )of which I am not one by the way).

I've backed it up, assclown. Nice strawman distortion to pretend that the post you quoted was the entirety of my argument. Are you always this much of an asshole?

[Admiral Valdemar]

You haven't addressed the battledroids that would have easily killed Gandalf, how come?

The battledroids aren't in this argument, it's Yoda last I checked. Weren't you the anti-red herring guy here?

Yes. I was trying to point out the inanity of your argument that a particular scenario should be used as proof of superiority. You've been using the Balrog all fucking night, and then the minute I say "battledroid" you get all pissy about red-herrings, FINALLY ADMITTING THE FUCKING POINT: that anything besides Gandalf and Yoda's intrinsic ability to kill each other in combat is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

I never brought up the Balrog, that argument was here before. The title says "Gandalf vs. Yoda".

And nice of you to pull the "concession accepted" tactic.

I'd say the same, but I don't fall that low.

[Darth Wong]

I'd say the same, but I don't fall that low.

No, you prefer egregious strawman distortions, sophistry, red-herrings such as the Balrog fall, and then outright lies in which you try to pretend that you didn't mention it

[Admiral Valdemar]

Yoda would be carried off, hence Yoda loses. That's some good logic there, care to back some of it up other than throwing hissy fits about wanking fests and LotR fanatics )of which I am not one by the way).

I've backed it up, assclown. Nice strawman distortion to pretend that the post you quoted was the entirety of my argument. Are you always this much of an asshole?

Inasults now? I am merely going by what I have found out from other sources and took this debate up as some light entertainment to see if others would, frankly, I couldn't care if Yoda or Gandalf had a sexual frenzy, I like to take part in these things and learn some more.

My prime source of info is down at the mo so I couldn't get all my info, but I'm going to come back to points in time but not at 4am.

[Admiral Valdemar]

I'd say the same, but I don't fall that low.

No, you prefer egregious strawman distortions, sophistry, red-herrings such as the Balrog fall, and then outright lies in which you try to pretend that you didn't mention it

Rich considering you seem to show Yoda as someone who could take on the whole Clonearmy without breaking a sweat.

I am stating facts as I see them, I wasn't the one to start bursting into name calling because someone stood up against Yoda for a change, I still believe Gandalf has the advantage and I shall get more facts as I've said, but I'm no LotR nut.

[Darth Wong]

I've backed it up, assclown. Nice strawman distortion to pretend that the post you quoted was the entirety of my argument. Are you always this much of an asshole?

Inasults now? I am merely going by what I have found out from other sources and took this debate up as some light entertainment to see if others would, frankly, I couldn't care if Yoda or Gandalf had a sexual frenzy, I like to take part in these things and learn some more.

Ah, so now you're resorting to feigned innocence. Fuck off, idiot. You claimed that my entire argument was to simply say that Gandalf would lose, therefore Gandalf would lose, and that I hadn't backed this up with anything. This is pure bullshit and you know it; the worst kind of strawman distortion in which you take a post and act as though the dozen posts before it never happened.

My prime source of info is down at the mo so I couldn't get all my info, but I'm going to come back to points in time but not at 4am.

Fuck you. I see now that you're going to play games, bullshit, and commit style over substance fallacies until the cows come home, and then paste a generous layer of apocryphal fan-wank bullshit on top of that. Your only objective is probably to goad me into an insult with that outrageous strawman of yours, so you can go back to SB.com and whine about what a meanie I am. Go fuck a chicken.

[Admiral Valdemar]

My heart bleeds, I'm being insulted over the Net because I can't accept HYoda beating Gandalf. If it means so much to you then why don't you do an essay on it. This is escapsism for me, not a Jihad.

[Darth Wong]

Rich considering you seem to show Yoda as someone who could take on the whole Clonearmy without breaking a sweat.

More strawman distortions from our latest asshole.

I am stating facts as I see them, I wasn't the one to start bursting into name calling because someone stood up against Yoda for a change, I still believe Gandalf has the advantage and I shall get more facts as I've said, but I'm no LotR nut.

Ah, so now you act as though I started insulting you because of your opinion rather than your fucking strawman distortion of my argument, asshole, I see now what kind of useless shitlicker I'm dealing with.

[Darth Wong]

My heart bleeds, I'm being insulted over the Net because I can't accept HYoda beating Gandalf. If it means so much to you then why don't you do an essay on it. This is escapsism for me, not a Jihad.

You don't get it, asshole. I don't like people distorting my arguments and putting words in my mouth. Getting pissed off over a disagreement of fiction is one thing, but misrepresenting my position is another. And whining about it, pretending that there was no motivation for it other than your opinion, is simply yet ANOTHER misrepresentation. Nobody likes being misrepresented, you little shit. For the third time, go fuck yourself.

[Admiral Valdemar]

You can keep calling me names until the cows come home, I don't care.

If you hadn't noticed I'm not the only one debating here, perhaps you should take out yor fury on others that have debated too, why do I have to take the brunt of this assault?

Incidentally, I won't go off and whine at SB.com since this board is far better for discussions anyway.

[Admiral Valdemar]

My heart bleeds, I'm being insulted over the Net because I can't accept HYoda beating Gandalf. If it means so much to you then why don't you do an essay on it. This is escapsism for me, not a Jihad.

You don't get it, asshole. I don't like people distorting my arguments and putting words in my mouth. Getting pissed off over a disagreement of fiction is one thing, but misrepresenting my position is another. And whining about it, pretending that there was no motivation for it other than your opinion, is simply yet ANOTHER misrepresentation. Nobody likes being misrepresented, you little shit. For the third time, go fuck yourself.

Perhaps you misread me not giving a shit?

Where did I misrepresent you?

[Darth Wong]

You can keep calling me names until the cows come home, I don't care.

If you hadn't noticed I'm not the only one debating here, perhaps you should take out yor fury on others that have debated too, why do I have to take the brunt of this assault?

Because you're the little worthless piece of shit who repeatedly mispresents positions and then feigns innocence when called on it.

Incidentally, I won't go off and whine at SB.com since this board is far better for discussions anyway.

Whatever. If you think it's OK to misrepresent someone's arguments and not expect any kind of hostile response, you haven't yet figured out the rules.

[Admiral Valdemar]

You can keep calling me names until the cows come home, I don't care.

If you hadn't noticed I'm not the only one debating here, perhaps you should take out yor fury on others that have debated too, why do I have to take the brunt of this assault?

Because you're the little worthless piece of shit who repeatedly mispresents positions and then feigns innocence when called on it.

Incidentally, I won't go off and whine at SB.com since this board is far better for discussions anyway.

Whatever. If you think it's OK to misrepresent someone's arguments and not expect any kind of hostile response, you haven't yet figured out the rules.

So where did I misrepresent them so I can avoid that in the future?

[Darth Wong]

Where did I misrepresent you?

You said that I act as though Yoda could take on the whole clone army by himself. Untrue. You said that I had not provided any evidence to back up my claim that Yoda could beat Gandalf. Again, untrue; you may disagree with that evidence, but to claim that I have not provided anything is bullshit. Then you claimed that I was flaming you simply because you disagree, which is not only untrue but incredibly stupid considering you wonder in your next post why I'm singling you out even though others here also disagree with me. Are you always this fucking stupid? Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

[Admiral Valdemar]

Where did I misrepresent you?

You said that I act as though Yoda could take on the whole clone army by himself. Untrue. You said that I had not provided any evidence to back up my claim that Yoda could beat Gandalf. Again, untrue; you may disagree with that evidence, but to claim that I have not provided anything is bullshit. Then you claimed that I was flaming you simply because you disagree, which is not only untrue but incredibly stupid considering you wonder in your next post why I'm singling you out even though others here also disagree with me. Are you always this fucking stupid? Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Probably because of tiredness, like I said I'll go over the arguments again, I mean no disrespect since it doesn't mean that much to me anyway.

Morat et al are probably better equipped for debating this, I apologise for coming off an asshole, I do not mean to be (but it's one of those days).

[Darth Wong]

OK, if you're serious, then all I can say is that you should really look over an entire thread before commenting on it. If you see a post which does not include all of the necessary evidence to support itself, do not assume that various supporting facts were not provided in a previous post; read the thread or don't comment. Some people get SERIOUSLY pissed off at strawman distortions.

[Admiral Valdemar]

OK, if you're serious, then all I can say is that you should really look over an entire thread before commenting on it. If you see a post which does not include all of the necessary evidence to support itself, do not assume that various supporting facts were not provided in a previous post; read the thread or don't comment. Some people get SERIOUSLY pissed off at strawman distortions.

Evidently, I am no LotR nut so I am basing most info off previous posts and knowledge found here and at SB.com and elsewhere, from what I saw it seemed a Gandalf win, but I was fuzzy over both combatants and just moving back into Uni means I'm knackered and disorganised.

Usually I unwind with just debating down Creationists, but I guess that's a lot easier than these debates where there is something to debate over.