Who believes in ghosts?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-11 03:33pm

Crayz9000 wrote: I see someone's been playing StarCraft lately.

I get a cold sweat everytime I hear the phrase "Nuclear Launch Detected"

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-01-11 03:50pm

kheegan wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote: My idea also applies to people who believe in reincarnation. We cant have all lived a previous life because there are more people alive now, than existed in the past put together. ( at least I think thats the case )
You can get round this problem by allowing reincarnation to occur between animals and humans, as Buddhists do. To thicken the plot, you can assume that reincarnation can occur between us and aliens as well.

I think that paranormal phenomena exists, but that they exist WITHIN the minds of those who see them. In other words, I think ghosts are psychological phenomena...

Don't forget the trees and rocks, they have "spirits" too.

As for ghosts there's a simple explanation: LSD.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-11 04:24pm

I don't believe in ghosts, but my friend claims to have seen them and has presented detailed accounts of her sightings.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-11 04:34pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:I get a cold sweat everytime I hear the phrase "Nuclear Launch Detected"

Unless it's your own nuclear launch, I suppose?

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-01-11 04:48pm

Yes, I believe in ghosts.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-11 04:49pm

No ghosts.

Pink Eye, that is the most disgusting, horrific, and obnoxious avatar I have ever seen! I LOVE IT! I don't care how many people beg you to change it, please don't.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2003-01-11 04:51pm

Tosho wrote:
kheegan wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote: My idea also applies to people who believe in reincarnation. We cant have all lived a previous life because there are more people alive now, than existed in the past put together. ( at least I think thats the case )
You can get round this problem by allowing reincarnation to occur between animals and humans, as Buddhists do. To thicken the plot, you can assume that reincarnation can occur between us and aliens as well.

I think that paranormal phenomena exists, but that they exist WITHIN the minds of those who see them. In other words, I think ghosts are psychological phenomena...
Don't forget the trees and rocks, they have "spirits" too.

As for ghosts there's a simple explanation: LSD.

That explains it...I must have been a particularly immobile rock in my past life..

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-01-11 10:07pm

I thought I heard a ghost talking to me once...... However, I was in a drunken stupor at the time, so I'm somewhat suspicous of the incident.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 10:41pm

I ordinarily don't believe in ghosts, but thanks to Darkstar, I'm starting to believe in the Undead.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-11 11:01pm

Darth Wong wrote:I ordinarily don't believe in ghosts, but thanks to Darkstar, I'm starting to believe in the Undead.

Sadly, Half-Life's engine has not been ported to Linux, so I'm assuming you can't play any of the excellent horror mods like They Hunger or Heart of Evil.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-11 11:06pm

I voted yes, FYI.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-11 11:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:I ordinarily don't believe in ghosts, but thanks to Darkstar, I'm starting to believe in the Undead.

Associating the undead with DarkStar is a bit cruel, don't you think? They have feelings too, you know.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-11 11:33pm

Durandal wrote:Associating the undead with DarkStar is a bit cruel, don't you think? They have feelings too, you know.

It all depends on the undead in question. You have vampires, who are quite cultured (aside from a little issue with bloodsucking). You also have zombies, who have no feelings and can function with key parts of their bodies (for a normal human) removed. I'm of the opinion that Wong is associating DarkStar with a zombie.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-01-12 01:46am

Crayz9000 wrote:
Durandal wrote:Associating the undead with DarkStar is a bit cruel, don't you think? They have feelings too, you know.
It all depends on the undead in question. You have vampires, who are quite cultured (aside from a little issue with bloodsucking). You also have zombies, who have no feelings and can function with key parts of their bodies (for a normal human) removed. I'm of the opinion that Wong is associating DarkStar with a zombie.

Hey, that's insulting the nice zombies, like Reg Shoe, for instance! Zombies can't help that they got killed! Cut 'em a break. After all, we all know that most zombies posess a considerably higher I.Q. than DarkStar.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-12 02:04am

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Hey, that's insulting the nice zombies, like Reg Shoe, for instance! Zombies can't help that they got killed! Cut 'em a break. After all, we all know that most zombies posess a considerably higher I.Q. than DarkStar.

I think I'd rate him at around the level of a Half-Life headcrab

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-12 03:14am

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:
Durandal wrote:Associating the undead with DarkStar is a bit cruel, don't you think? They have feelings too, you know.
It all depends on the undead in question. You have vampires, who are quite cultured (aside from a little issue with bloodsucking). You also have zombies, who have no feelings and can function with key parts of their bodies (for a normal human) removed. I'm of the opinion that Wong is associating DarkStar with a zombie.
Hey, that's insulting the nice zombies, like Reg Shoe, for instance! Zombies can't help that they got killed! Cut 'em a break. After all, we all know that most zombies posess a considerably higher I.Q. than DarkStar.

Pond scum is slightly higher in terms of intellect that DS....

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2003-01-12 03:16am

Crayz9000 wrote:
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Hey, that's insulting the nice zombies, like Reg Shoe, for instance! Zombies can't help that they got killed! Cut 'em a break. After all, we all know that most zombies posess a considerably higher I.Q. than DarkStar.
I think I'd rate him at around the level of a Half-Life headcrab

More like one the little bugs you encounter in the tunnels that scamper around and die when you step on them. Crushing them is fun at frst, but after a while you get bored of it and decide to fight human adversaries instead.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-12 03:31am

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Hey, that's insulting the nice zombies, like Reg Shoe, for instance! Zombies can't help that they got killed! Cut 'em a break. After all, we all know that most zombies posess a considerably higher I.Q. than DarkStar.
I think I'd rate him at around the level of a Half-Life headcrab
More like one the little bugs you encounter in the tunnels that scamper around and die when you step on them. Crushing them is fun at frst, but after a while you get bored of it and decide to fight human adversaries instead.

I always enjoyed beating dead bodies with the crowbar 'til a liver goes sliding across the floor. Or shooting scientists in the crotch after I get the information they've got for me.........

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-12 02:36pm

me too, i torture shoot the scientists but the weiners only need to be shot 3 times even in non major pars before they go down.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-12 02:41pm

I don't know about the majority, However I do know some places have a very BAD feeling to them, I figure ghosts are real in the Jungian Collective unconcious/Synchronicity. The energy left behind that can be percieved by others.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-12 03:16pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:I don't know about the majority, However I do know some places have a very BAD feeling to them, I figure ghosts are real in the Jungian Collective unconcious/Synchronicity. The energy left behind that can be percieved by others.

I think it's more a function of architecture/appearance and local folklore affecting your perceptions. No one has ever detected any of this "energy" in any empirical, objective manner.

And if you give me a 10Hz oscillator, I can make your hair stand up and give you a creepy feeling in any place of my choosing.

Pink Eye · Post by **Pink Eye** » 2003-01-12 05:06pm

Darth Wong wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:I don't know about the majority, However I do know some places have a very BAD feeling to them, I figure ghosts are real in the Jungian Collective unconcious/Synchronicity. The energy left behind that can be percieved by others.
I think it's more a function of architecture/appearance and local folklore affecting your perceptions. No one has ever detected any of this "energy" in any empirical, objective manner.

And if you give me a 10Hz oscillator, I can make your hair stand up and give you a creepy feeling in any place of my choosing.

This is where I have a problem with the claim that ghosts are energy. Wouldn't if have to be something physical anyway? As far as I understand energy is nothing more than a concept i.e the ability to do work and not an actual substance or a thing. Some ghost hunters say it is IR or some other exotic form of energy and the only "proof" they have is weird readings on some kind of Air Ion sniffer, EM device, or pictures.

What the hell is an Air Ion sniffer anyway?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-12 06:21pm

I have no rational, objective, logical basis to believe ghosts exist. I've been to lots of places where there are tails of hauntings, been present during, and I cannot say that ghosts exist with any sort of backing.

That being said, ghosts are one of my irrational little beliefs, possibly spawned from the fact I don't wanna decompose. That and the little girl's ghost in my apartment keeps moving the toys.

EDIT: Oh yes, I forgot. Ghosts cannot be energy because they don't move at c. They can't be mass because there is no discernable drop in mass after death. So unless we want to try making a third batch of 'stuff' to explain them, there's another problem.

The Teacher · Post by **The Teacher** » 2003-01-12 06:56pm

Well, I don't know if anybody else has one of these, but I have a possesed manican. Do you know about those little wooden dolls that artists use by posing them? Well, I have one, and everytime I woke up it would be pointing at me. Unnerving and disturbing. I locked him up in my safe for a few days, and when I took him out(I decided it's a he)he had his arms on his waist like he had been waiting for me. As of yet he is still locked up in my closet.

Freeky

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-12 07:00pm

Pink Eye wrote:This is where I have a problem with the claim that ghosts are energy. Wouldn't if have to be something physical anyway? As far as I understand energy is nothing more than a concept i.e the ability to do work and not an actual substance or a thing.

Energy is real. Not all of it is useful, but it is far more than a simple concept. Water doesn't just heat up on its own, now does it?

Some ghost hunters say it is IR or some other exotic form of energy and the only "proof" they have is weird readings on some kind of Air Ion sniffer, EM device, or pictures.

What the hell is an Air Ion sniffer anyway?

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that an air ion sniffer would be a device which looks for ions in the air. If ghosts were EM phenomena, then their presence might ionize the air around them due to EM radiation.

SirNitram wrote:EDIT: Oh yes, I forgot. Ghosts cannot be energy because they don't move at c. They can't be mass because there is no discernable drop in mass after death. So unless we want to try making a third batch of 'stuff' to explain them, there's another problem.

Well, I guess the ghost hunters could claim that ghosts possess very small amounts of mass, and we don't observe a decrease immediately upon death due to error in measurement, but when you have to resort to calculated error to back up your claims, they're pretty much worthless anyway.

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