Really good Stargate episodes

DrMckay · Post by **DrMckay** » 2007-07-31 03:04am

Does anyone remember when Stargate used to be good?

It was that period between the end of the akward first season, and the climactic end of the seventh.

(Basically, a goood portion of the show.)

I was watching the season seven epsode Heroes, Pt 1 and 2 on DVD, and It suddenly hit me.

The writing, acting and dialogue all felt smooth and polished, the characters were real, and the drama was good.

It was light years better than anything on Atlantis or Stargate; seasons 8-10.

Can any of you remember other good episodes, maybe we can put together a "best of" list or something...

Here are a few:

In the Serpent's Lair S2

Secrets S2

1969 S2(O'Neill and the Hippies. Of course this goes in...)

The Other Side S4

Window of Opportunity S4

The Fifth Man S5

Wormhole X-treme S5

Meridian S5

Abyss S6

The Other Guys S6

Orpheus S7

Evolution Pts 1 & 2 S7

Heroes Pts 1 & 2

Lost City, Pts 1 & 2

If any of you want to add episodes (from any season,) and provide a brief summary (only if you want to,) feel free to do so.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-07-31 03:11am

Hey, I liked some of first season. Sure, the first few episodes were rocky, but that's to be expected.

"Singularity" S1

"Solitudes" S1

"In the Line of Duty" S2

"The Tok'ra" 1&2 S2

"Jolinar's Memories" S3

"The Devil You Know" S3

"Foothold" S3

"Upgrades" S4

"2010" S4

"The Changeling" S6

"Grace" S7

"Chimera" S7

And for the record, I thought "Evolution" was pretty iffy. Some good stuff in it, but Kull warriors are just fucking retarded.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-07-31 06:29am

I was quite fond of 'The 1st Commandment' in Season 1 for the lengths it went to to fit in a 'killing is bad!' message into a miltary show.

"There But For The Grace of God" Is also good in season one.

There's the obvious: "The Fifth Race" In season 2.

"Deadman's Switch" For season 3

It'd be cliched to go for WoO in season 4 but I also liked "The Other Side" and "Tangent"

Season 5 had "The Tomb" one of the first episodes I ever saw. And SEason 6 Had "THe Other Guys" And "Prophecy" Also "Unnatural Selection" in which I note upon rewaching Karl "Helo" Agathon plays a humanform Replicator. Ironic no?

Oh and last for Season 8: I greatly enjoyed 'Avatar'

Gais: I'm suprised to see Chimera on your list. thought it wasn't well regard as mainly being a soap operaish episode about Sam's love life. But maybe I've just heard the outcrys of J/S Shippers...

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-07-31 07:39am

Crazedwraith wrote:Gais: I'm suprised to see Chimera on your list. thought it wasn't well regard as mainly being a soap operaish episode about Sam's love life. But maybe I've just heard the outcrys of J/S Shippers...

<3 Sam

(which may or may not be obvious, given that most of the episodes I listed are Sam-centric)

And fuck the shippers. I thought Pete was fine, if a bit creepy (o hay sam lol just stalkin u). The other part of "Chimera"'s plot was decent too, if only to deal with the Osiris plotline.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2007-07-31 10:49am

No love for "Urgo"? It'S my favourite episode...

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-07-31 11:54am

I thought Stargate SG-1 had a very good run of episodes between halfway through Season One up until Season Four, then it got a little too repetitive and relatively bland for my taste so I lost interest in the series for the most part (but I liked Season Seven's last episode and I thought Season Eight was suprisingly solid for a late season, even though I gather SG-1 rapidly turned to shite relatively soon after that). I've never got into Atlantis and it never caught my interest in the brief time it was on Channel Five (have they cancelled it?).

Its much like Farscape - Seasons One & Two were excellent and I saw 95% of those seasons, Season Three was decent but Farscape was starting to drift away from being compulsive viewing, while much of Season Four was fairly meh, even though there was a killer last episode with a wonderfully sticky ending.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2007-07-31 04:35pm

As I recall, my favorite episode was also voted fan-favorite; Groundhog Day.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-07-31 05:01pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:As I recall, my favorite episode was also voted fan-favorite; Groundhog Day.

That's the one where they were playing golf with the wormhole wasn't it? Also, I kind of liked Citizen Joe. (I think that's the right name).

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2007-07-31 07:01pm

No, that's "Window of Opporunity", where O'Neil and Teal'c are trapped in a temporal loop, and eventually start doing crazy shit to keep from going insane.

[size=0]As bad as it was for O'Neil, Teal'c had it worse, because his loop happened to come at the exact moment that day when a soldier opens a door right into his face[/size]

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-07-31 08:14pm

General Zod wrote:Also, I kind of liked Citizen Joe. (I think that's the right name).

A clip show?

Granted, Dan Castellaneta was pretty good, and it was a pretty good humor/nostalgia episode.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-07-31 08:50pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
General Zod wrote:Also, I kind of liked Citizen Joe. (I think that's the right name).
A clip show? Granted, Dan Castellaneta was pretty good, and it was a pretty good humor/nostalgia episode.

I tend to like the humor episodes. They make SG-1 take itself less seriously. (I'm also probably alone in liking The Other Guys as well.

)

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-07-31 11:04pm

I love the humor episodes too (especially "The Other Guys" and "Avenger 2.0"), I just don't think they quite qualify amongst the best, with the possible exception of "Window of Opportunity" of course.

hongi · Post by **hongi** » 2007-08-03 03:06am

"2010" S4

2010 was great. I love the episodes that deviate from the usual 'get off-base, fix problem' storyline. It was even mildly tear-inducing seeing the favourite characters get cut down...

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2007-08-03 04:03am

And for a while, as it starts out, we get a whole "WTF is going on?!" thinggy.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2007-08-08 02:34pm

No love for "200"?

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-08-08 04:16pm

You list out the best episodes and include Wormhole Extreme? The 5th Man?

Wormhole was just sill,y kinda funny but got old fast.

5th Man had so many holes in the plot that you could fly the Prometheus through them.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2007-08-10 02:12am

Pace DrMckay, I would rank the Season 10 episode "Bad Guys" up there with the best of any of the earlier seasons -- excellent pacing and humor throughout with good secondary characters. (But then again, like some of the other posters, I'm biased toward "comedy" episodes.)

Braedley · Post by **Braedley** » 2007-08-10 07:07pm

One that I haven't seen mentioned yet is Full Circle. And Threads. How has that not been mentioned?

Wormhole Extreme, however, doesn't make my list. WoO and The Other Guys are my preferred comedic episodes. "Why, look everybody, he's got Coombs with him!"

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-08-11 08:47am

Braedley wrote:One that I haven't seen mentioned yet is Full Circle. And Threads. How has that not been mentioned?

Maybe becuase they were both shit?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-08-11 11:08am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:And for the record, I thought "Evolution" was pretty iffy. Some good stuff in it, but Kull warriors are just fucking retarded.

Whay've you got against the Kull Warriors?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-08-11 11:21am

NecronLord wrote:Whay've you got against the Kull Warriors?

They just struck me as a blatant contrivance to up the ante against SG-1, since even elite Jaffa weren't a threat anymore (remember in the pilot when close-range M4 fire barely took one or two down?

). That and Carter's line in one of the episodes to the effect of "But they still can't ignore physics," despite that obviously being the case.

The main thing going through my head whenever they were a plot device (every episode they were in, really. Except maybe "Avatar") was "lawl kull warriorzz army of one am i rite".

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-08-11 11:28am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:They just struck me as a blatant contrivance to up the ante against SG-1, since even elite Jaffa weren't a threat anymore (remember in the pilot when close-range M4 fire barely took one or two down? ).

Against horrified and unequiped guards, taken by surprise.

That and Carter's line in one of the episodes to the effect of "But they still can't ignore physics," despite that obviously being the case.

Rodney McKay had a similar device. Ultimately, it's the same kind of technology.

I liked them; they're what a goa'uld would think of when designing a super soldier. And they had a sand disadvantage (reduced lifespan) and so on. The only thing about them that didn't really make sense was the way they fought them.

Dart guns with botulinum toxin concentrate would have done fine, and made more sense than the dinky little Kull Disruptors in Lost City

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-08-11 11:56am

NecronLord wrote:Against horrified and unequiped guards, taken by surprise.

Well, not to be overly pedantic, but they did have M4s (something I lament the continued lack of in all but SG-3). Whereas SG-1 plows through Serpent Guards with dinky little MP5s and P90s, and on more than one occasion brings them down with two or three rounds from an M9, for cryin' out loud.

Anyways, at the end of the day my main complaint with Kull warriors is they just kill my suspension of disbelief. It's too damn obvious to me that they exist merely as plot devices to "challenge" SG-1, nothing more.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-08-11 12:01pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:Well, not to be overly pedantic, but they did have M4s (something I lament the continued lack of in all but SG-3). Whereas SG-1 plows through Serpent Guards with dinky little MP5s and P90s, and on more than one occasion brings them down with two or three rounds from an M9, for cryin' out loud.

SG1 aren't a combat team, they're meant to err, not be armed to the teeth. SG3 and the other marine units routinely use rifles and SAWs. More importantly, as a rule, Jaffa wear chainmail over their torsos. Ra's guys were almost nude but for their helmets...

Anyways, at the end of the day my main complaint with Kull warriors is they just kill my suspension of disbelief. It's too damn obvious to me that they exist merely as plot devices to "challenge" SG-1, nothing more.

I was thinking they existed because Anubis was clever, and wanted a decisive advantage, to replace his pocket-death star, against the other System Lords.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-08-11 12:07pm

NecronLord wrote:

SG1 aren't a combat team, they're meant to err, not be armed to the teeth. SG3 and the other marine units routinely use rifles and SAWs. More importantly, as a rule, Jaffa wear chainmail over their torsos. Ra's guys were almost nude but for their helmets...[/quote]

For not being a combat team, they sure seem to get in combat a lot.

Though again, I point to the pilot. It can't just be normal chainmail - rounds were literally bouncing off the Serpent Guards in "Children of the Gods". Assault rifle rounds specifically designed for armor penetration, mind.