Harry Dresden versus Darth Vader.

[Chevron_Seven]

Harry Dresden (book variant) against Vader from the movies. Vader is turned loose on the Dresden Files Earth and ends up in Chicago. After a few people turn up from mysterious strangulation Lt. Murphy calls in Chicago's only Wizard who is listed in the phone book.

Can Dresden track down Vader and eliminate him?

[Stark]

I don't get it.

Why is Vader strangingly people for no reason?

[Havok]

I don't Darth Vader is going to be all that hard to find.

[Stark]

I don't Darth Vader is going to be all that hard to find.

Put out an APB on a seven foot, rasping demon with a snazzy cape?

[Civil War Man]

I don't Darth Vader is going to be all that hard to find.

Put out an APB on a seven foot, rasping demon with a snazzy cape?

That's the point where you kidnap General Grievous and drop him off at O'Hare.

[white_rabbit]

Can Dresden track down Vader and eliminate him?

Assuming Vader doesn't bisect/whatever Dresden instantly, its worth considering that Dresden can fuck up electronics by coughing too hard.

I can't imagine you didn't consider this while making the thread though.

[Molyneux]

My money's on Dresden, assuming he doesn't let the lightsaber get too close. Aside from his magic destroy-all-technology aura, the man can call down lightning, shield against both bullets and energy weapons, and engage in energy redistribution on a scale that would impress even Granny Weatherwax.

[Chevron_Seven]

Assuming Vader doesn't bisect/whatever Dresden instantly, its worth considering that Dresden can fuck up electronics by coughing too hard.

I can't imagine you didn't consider this while making the thread though.

I did consider it. Thinking that at least part of the debate would be whether Vader would suffer the same fate of most mechanical things around Harry.

[Tanasinn]

Darth Vader can kill people with a rude thought across the vacuum of space. He doesn't really need to get close and use his lightsaber.

[Molyneux]

Darth Vader can kill people with a rude thought across the vacuum of space. He doesn't really need to get close and use his lightsaber.

Harry Dresden can kill machines without blinking at forty paces. And according to the OP, Vader doesn't immediately know who he is.

[Solauren]

Question -

Does Harry show up in the Force as a powerful being?
Would Vader be able to sense him coming with hostile intent?

Remember, Vader's sensory and Force ability range is at least orbital, if not further. Case in point, we see him sense Luke has arrived on the planet (the other end of it) on Coruscant, which has Trillions of people on i, during Shadows of the Empire.

Would Harry realise Vader isn't a demon and may in fact be an alien or human with extra-terrestrial origins?

That might affect how Harry handles Vader.

Also, what's Vader's motivation for the stranglings? Do there happen to be alot of Obi-wan and Padme look alike hookers in the area?

[Chevron_Seven]

Solauren: Does Harry show up in the Force as a powerful being?

Do non Force users show up as powerful beings though?

Solauren: Would Harry realise Vader isn't a demon and may in fact be an alien or human with extra-terrestrial origins?

Considering Harry has used Stars Wars references before I imagine he'd be able to ID Vader pretty quickly on sight.

Darth Vader can kill people with a rude thought across the vacuum of space. He doesn't really need to get close and use his lightsaber.

From that distance Harry could probably block it with a magic circle or other ward if he suspected Vader was up to something.

[Civil War Man]

Remember, Vader's sensory and Force ability range is at least orbital, if not further. Case in point, we see him sense Luke has arrived on the planet (the other end of it) on Coruscant, which has Trillions of people on i, during Shadows of the Empire.

Though, granted, the two of them do have a connection, which would probably make the sensing less difficult.

From that distance Harry could probably block it with a magic circle or other ward if he suspected Vader was up to something.

That may or may not work, depending on the nature of the Force and the warding. Would a magic circle be able to block telekinetic force? And if so, could it block regular kinetic forces, since Vader has a bit of practice throwing shit at the people he's fighting.

[Uraniun235]

Who is Harry Dresden?

[The Dark]

That may or may not work, depending on the nature of the Force and the warding. Would a magic circle be able to block telekinetic force? And if so, could it block regular kinetic forces, since Vader has a bit of practice throwing shit at the people he's fighting.

I would think Dresden-verse magical shields should protect against telekinesis, seeing as how the Blackstaff has used telekinetic magic to pull satellites from orbit (of course, he also caused Krakatoa and Tunguska). Dresden tends to use wind rather than pure force, but he blew the Loup Garou through multiple walls, across a city block, and through an apartment building with one blast. A mage without the ability to block kinetic force is one who quickly finds himself getting thrown around like a rag doll.

Also, Harry fought off He Who Walks Behind at age 16. You don't fight off a demon at age 16 without having some major power, especially considering the hints that have been dropped about what the Outsiders are.

Harry's allies could also be key. *Spoiler shrink* The Summer Court likes him (and the Lady and Knight owe him favors), his half-brother is influential in the White Court, the Alphas are devoted to him, the Knights of the Sword like him, his ex-girlfriend is a leader of the Order of St. Giles, the Archive and Kincaid seem to like him as much as they can like mortals, Molly is a magical fencer (as opposed to Harry the magical thug), Rashid has shown signs of bending the rules to help Harry, and Dresden has the Denarian Lasciel unless this is post-White Night - Hellfire-augmented blasts would be very unfun for Vader. Harry's got major backup.

[Chevron_Seven]

Civil War Man: That may or may not work, depending on the nature of the Force and the warding. Would a magic circle be able to block telekinetic force? And if so, could it block regular kinetic forces, since Vader has a bit of practice throwing shit at the people he's fighting.

A magic circle is pretty effective at stopping most magical forces from crossing it. I'm not sure if there has been any instance of someone trying to propel a physical object through a circle using telekinetic force... Lord Raith of the White Vampire Court was pretty much immune to magical forces however Harry beat him very effectively about the head with a set of keys using his wind magic. But this would be very different than trying to cross a magic circle. Also magic circle while they stop all magic dead in its track can be broken by physical objects but who knows what a magically propelled physical object would do to one. I know in Storm Front Harry used a magic circle to protect him and Susan from a acid spitting toad demon and the circle stopped the acid that it spit... So it is tough to say....

However a more effective defense against regular kinetic forces would be the wizard's shield. A wizard can project a force shield around themselves to stop incoming magical and kinetic attacks. Harry is kind of a magical thug. He lacks a lot of refinement in terms of fine control of his magical powers but he ranks up there among the top 30 or so most powerful wizards in the world. So he tends to use things to enhance, control, or focus his magical powers. He almost always has on a shield bracelet which he uses to focus his shield. In the books we've seen the shield handle the shock of a 23 story free fall in a elevator, hold out against two flamethrowers for several minutes, barely hold out against the attack of a wizard who had Harry totally outmatched, and handle a plethora of automatic weapons fire along with other things like fireballs and etc. Plus throwing things might not be the best thing to do to Harry. Against that wizard that overpowered him one of the things Harry did was lift up and drop a car on top of that wizard using his wind magic.

[Molyneux]

Who is Harry Dresden?

Wizard slash private investigator, normal area of operations is Chicago; stars in a series of books by Jim Butcher, and a show on Sci-Fi which may or may not get a second season. If you haven't read 'em, you really should. They're good.

[Skelron]

Who is Harry Dresden?

Wizard slash private investigator, normal area of operations is Chicago; stars in a series of books by Jim Butcher, and a show on Sci-Fi which may or may not get a second season. If you haven't read 'em, you really should. They're good.

Sci-Fi has cancelled the series, so if it gets a second Series it will have to be with a different company.

As for the issue of the Circle, my assumption would be, if an object was hurled at it via the force, the physical object would break the circle, even if the force push was ended, since it would still have momentum behind it. Once the Physical object was passed through the Circle it would break it.

Of course it might very well be that if Vader was choking him, breaking the choke with the Circle might very well be all the time Harry needs to go on the offensive anyway.

[Chevron_Seven]

Harry's allies could also be key. *Spoiler shrink* Harry's got major backup.

Your forgot old Ebenezar McCoy. Having the Blackstaff on your side is a major plus.

My money's on Dresden, assuming he doesn't let the lightsaber get too close.

Thinking about it Harry has Fidelacchius, which is for all purposes indestructible, so between that and his shield he should be able to survive for a little bit if Vader managed to close the distance.

[Braedley]

Honestly, this is no contest. I really don't care what others have said in favour of Dresden, he can't even begin to fathom winning this match until he starts to use shitloads of black magic. Granted, I've only seen the shows and not read the books, but as far as I can tell, Dresden's mastery of Magic pales in comparison of Vadars' mastery of the force.

[white_rabbit]

Honestly, this is no contest. I really don't care what others have said in favour of Dresden, he can't even begin to fathom winning this match until he starts to use shitloads of black magic. Granted, I've only seen the shows and not read the books, but as far as I can tell, Dresden's mastery of Magic pales in comparison of Vadars' mastery of the force.

Book Dresden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TV Dresden.

But then, you don't care *shrug*

[Enigma]

I don't know much about Dresden but is this just Harry against Vader? I mean if we are to start adding people to Harry's side then why not add a few on Vader's side? Why not say Sidious decided to join Vader?


I mean one on one would Harry prevail or would Vader crush his throat?

[Molyneux]

I don't know much about Dresden but is this just Harry against Vader? I mean if we are to start adding people to Harry's side then why not add a few on Vader's side? Why not say Sidious decided to join Vader?


I mean one on one would Harry prevail or would Vader crush his throat?

That depends on two things, really:

1) Can Dresden shield against Force effects like telekinetic throat-crushing and Force Pushes?

and

2) If not...who gets the drop on whom? Does Vader know Dresden is coming for him?

[The Dark]

Granted, I've only seen the shows and not read the books, but as far as I can tell, Dresden's mastery of Magic pales in comparison of Vadars' mastery of the force.

I don't know much about Dresden but is this just Harry against Vader? I mean if we are to start adding people to Harry's side then why not add a few on Vader's side? Why not say Sidious decided to join Vader?


I mean one on one would Harry prevail or would Vader crush his throat?

Harry Dresden (book variant) against Vader from the movies. Vader is turned loose on the Dresden Files Earth and ends up in Chicago. After a few people turn up from mysterious strangulation Lt. Murphy calls in Chicago's only Wizard who is listed in the phone book.

Can Dresden track down Vader and eliminate him?

As per the OP, it's book Harry, Vader alone, and Murphy calls him in to track down the Dark Lord of the Sith. Now, given that Blackstaff tosses around satellites, and Caul has deflected flying cars, it would seem that magical shields can affect telekinesis. We probably can't be certain that Vader wouldn't be able to start choking Harry, but how well will Vader maintain concentration if he's being thrown through a city block (as with the Loup Garou) or hit by lightning (as with the demon from Storm Front) or Hellfire? There are a lot of variables, but Harry's powers seem more flexible than what Vader has exhibited.

[Chevron_Seven]

Braedley: Honestly, this is no contest. I really don't care what others have said in favour of Dresden, he can't even begin to fathom winning this match until he starts to use shitloads of black magic. Granted, I've only seen the shows and not read the books, but as far as I can tell, Dresden's mastery of Magic pales in comparison of Vadars' mastery of the force.

The only thing TV Dresden can do as well as Book Dresden is tracking spells and that is a little iffy considering Book Dresden has "Little Chicago" to let him do remote tracking plus he is in tune with the faiere population. Bribery with large amounts of pizza gets them to love him. In terms of sheer power there is no comparison. In "Fool's Moon" Dresden blasts a Loup Garou directly thru a security door in a prison, through a cell, out the exterior wall of the building, across the street, into another brick wall and out the other side of that building too. In "Storm Front" he redirected lightning through his body and used it to blast a demon into chunky salsa. He also managed to cook a courtyard full of Red Court Vampires by calling up a fire storm that had flames 40 to 50 feet tall mind you this was after a power eating specter from hell made a snack out of his soul and his powers leaving him a mere shadow in terms of his power levels. Harry also tossed a car on top of another wizard by the name of Cowl.

The Tunguska Event and Krakatoa were both acts of Ebenezer McCoy the Blackstaff. This was the guy who trained Dresden and he is actually one of the lower end wizards on the White Council. Dresden meanwhile is somewhere in the top 30 of wizards for sheer power. So he is likely only 20 or less people away from McCoy in power. Harry calls himself a magical thug compared to many of the other wizards. Captain Luccio, leader of the Wardens, for example can throw out a needle thin of fire that can slice through bodies. Harry meanwhile though he has a lot of power ultimately throws out something the size of a cannon ball in diameter. So there tends to be a lot of collateral damage when Harry gets serious. "Gentleman Johnnie" Marcone Harry's sometimes ally and often antagonist gets nervous whenever Harry comes around because his insurance rates go through the ceiling. So far Harry has knocked down three buildings using his magic. Then you can't forget that on Halloween he managed to necromance himself a zombie T-Rex and proceeded saddle up and ride it on a rampage against zombies.

In terms of mental force when he had the fallen angel Lasciel (Seducer, Webweaver, and the Temptress) places a part of herself in him when he touched her coin that part was devoted to getting Harry to take up the coin. Instead he managed to hold out against her attempts for three years longer than any mortal ever did and in the long run corrupted that shadow of her into having free will. She ultimately sacrificed herself to save Harry.