[Modification] SD.Net SW meets ST

[rhoenix]

This is a modification of the current "SD.Net in an SSD traipsing around the Star Trek galaxy" scenario in this same forum.

Scenario: You have been given command of a Super Star Dreadnaught (Eclipse-class), with a full complement of crew for your ship, and full fighter / ISD complement (10 total, to be specific) complete with crew, and enough fuel and food for all the above for 10 years. You will appear through act of plot in the exact center of the Milky Way Galaxy, with no plausible way back.

Stipulations:
- You won't encounter any of the people mentioning their answers here. You would be alone, with full crew and full command authority, to do what you wish within the Star Trek universe, approximately the era of time immediately following the events in the movie Insurrection, and other series.
- You do have the capability of construction to create a hypermatter refinery. However, it would require two years uninterrupted to go online, with close proximity of at least an ISD Star Destroyer for supplies and crew.
- The gas used by the turbolaser batteries can be harvested within most gas giant planets in this galaxy. It just takes a while to refine.

What would you do, and how would you do it?

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Essentially exactly this, minus the 'interacting with other members of the board' parts.

Highest priority is develop the World Devastator and find a system difficult to reach or remote from the nearest neighbors, then establish my base there. Map out the galaxy with probedroids beforehand, of course. Gas Giants would be stink easy to find, so no problem. Metals may be a stretch, depending, and neutronium is an unknown.

After finding a suitable planet for a base, GET THAT HYPERMATTER REFINERY UP! Afterwards, construct huge deep-space farming stations in lieu of an agriworld.

[General Zod]

Doesn't this effectively change the scenario into the far too overdone "What would generic star destroyer x do if it found itself in the alpha quadrant" if you remove the bit about interacting with other board members in the same predicament?

[rhoenix]

Doesn't this effectively change the scenario into the far too overdone "What would generic star destroyer x do if it found itself in the alpha quadrant" if you remove the bit about interacting with other board members in the same predicament?

If so, and if this has been overdone, then my apologies. I had just begun to think that having everyone simultaneously appearing within the Milky Way in Executors was obscene overkill, and wished to change it somewhat.

[AK-047]

The first priority is to map out the dense core to find a way out. Upon exit of the core, the next priority is to find a stable star system in which we'll set up base. If my engineers are crafty enough, I will stay in that system to retrofit one ISD into a mobile hypermatter refinery. Two ISDs will continue mapping and searching for a star system that has a gas giant or two. When a gas giant is found, I will relocate my fleet to orbit there, ordering another two ISDs to search for a planet with a possible food source, which will bring back foodstuff to the fleet with retrofitted small craft turned freighters. If the majority of the fleet personnel wants some shore leave to go planetside for a stroll, that option will become open to them although on a schedule so we don't run out of fuel.

After the mobile hypermatter refinery is complete, we will relocate most of the fleet to the habitable world and set roots. Without question of shortage of supplies, freighters will be manufactured and will take over the blaster gas transportation system.

After another year or so, I will personally take an ISD, which is decided on a sports competition between the senior staff of each ISD, to the nearest peaceful civilization, and make ourselves and our intentions known. Declaring that we are neutral in any side, I wont give too much information away.

From that point on, we'll become a second human population, who is more self sustaining and reclusive from everyone else. The construction of the navy will probably continue, so that the growing population all have a place in the ships, should we need to mobilize everyone.

[Feil]

Scenario: You will appear through act of plot in the exact center of the Milky Way Galaxy, with no plausible way back.

What would you do, and how would you do it?

I would die by being consumed by a supermassive black hole. Duh.

(And yes, it's very, very overdone.)

[AK-047]

It seems implied that the fleet came through the black hole, if we were close enough to be consumed by it. Is this the case?

[rhoenix]

It seems implied that the fleet came through the black hole, if we were close enough to be consumed by it. Is this the case?

Basically. Close enough so that it's a danger if you just sit there after arriving, but as long as you move, you're fine.

According to Wookiepedia (questionable source ahoy) hypermatter refineries are made near massive black holes. It was meant as a setup.

[AK-047]

According to Wookiepedia (questionable source ahoy) hypermatter refineries are made near massive black holes. It was meant as a setup.[/quote]

Oh, well uhh, I'll make the refinery immediately without even leaving that system then.

[FedRebel]

Scenario: You have been given commnd of a Super Star Dreadnaught (Eclipse-class), with a full complement of crew for your ship, and full fighter / ISD complement (10 total, to be specific) complete with crew, and enough fuel and food for all the above for 10 years. You will appear through act of plot in the exact center of the Milky Way Galaxy, with no plausible way back.

Simply I'd conquer the galaxy

Stipulations:

[God]"Do you doubt me?"[/God]

- You won't encounter any of the people mentioning their answers here. You would be alone, with full crew and full command authority, to do what you wish within the Star Trek universe, approximately the era of time immediately following the events in the movie Insurrection, and other series.

What's the point? With nothing to keep me in check, the galaxy is mine without any effort

- You do have the capability of construction to create a hypermatter refinery. However, it would require two years uninterrupted to go online, with close proximity of at least an ISD Star Destroyer for supplies and crew.

You had my armada spawn at Sha Ka Ree, no body can touch me here.

Construction is guaranteed to be uninterrupted, plus with the ISD no one will be insane enough to harass me their (assuming ofcourse that they can reach me)

The gas used by the turbolaser batteries can be harvested within most gas giant planets in this galaxy. It just takes a while to refine.

Anything else, if there is anything else?

You put the whole galaxy in my lap, and are just making things easier

What would you do, and how would you do it?

I'd go for the Dominion first

If I go for the Borg, the extermination will gain me nothing. I'd have to destroy everything Borg, which means that I'd have to completely build new infrastructure.

If I go for the Alpha Quadrant powers, I get Iraq in space. Dozens of partisan groups would harass me at every opportunity and bog down my reconstruction and assimilation effort.

With the Dominion however, I can just BDZ the Founder homeworld and wait for the Jem'Hadar to kill themselves doing something stupid or to starve to death from drug withdrawal. The Vorta should fall into line easily, and with my scientists I can start production of an instant army loyal to me. Most of the Dominion's infrastructure should survive, I'd have my ships deliberately avoid Dominion bases so as to not to give the Jem'Hadar any ideas.

[Darth Wong]

All the people talking about developing other technology (like world devastators) and constructing new infrastructure have seriously not thought this through. Imagine if you took a modern US nuclear aircraft carrier into 1000 BC. Can anyone seriously believe that this ship would somehow construct a modern infrastructure, capable of mining and refining uranium, producing refined high-grade materials, drilling for and refining jet fuel for its planes, manufacturing microchips, etc?

[NecronLord]

It rather depends on what you have available. I definately recall the RotS novellisation describing Trade Federation factories as 'self replicating' and that given long enough, they'd turn Utapau into a full-on fortress world.

I'd far rather have one of them, especially if the core-ship like structure in the film is meant to be the factory. Just hook it up to a battleship, and you've a far better resource for long-term independant survival.

[Solauren]

All the people talking about developing other technology (like world devastators) and constructing new infrastructure have seriously not thought this through. Imagine if you took a modern US nuclear aircraft carrier into 1000 BC. Can anyone seriously believe that this ship would somehow construct a modern infrastructure, capable of mining and refining uranium, producing refined high-grade materials, drilling for and refining jet fuel for its planes, manufacturing microchips, etc?

A World Devestator is a self-contained infrastructure once you get it working. They can even produce new World Devestators without any outside assistance if you give them enough time.

With them, you can literally drop them off at a target and leave, and then come back later and have more ships and war materials built.

[Darth Wong]

All the people talking about developing other technology (like world devastators) and constructing new infrastructure have seriously not thought this through. Imagine if you took a modern US nuclear aircraft carrier into 1000 BC. Can anyone seriously believe that this ship would somehow construct a modern infrastructure, capable of mining and refining uranium, producing refined high-grade materials, drilling for and refining jet fuel for its planes, manufacturing microchips, etc?

A World Devestator is a self-contained infrastructure once you get it working. They can even produce new World Devestators without any outside assistance if you give them enough time.

With them, you can literally drop them off at a target and leave, and then come back later and have more ships and war materials built.

What the fuck does that have to do with a thread where you do NOT get a World Devastator to play with? Yes, there are specialized machines in SW which can fabricate technology out of raw materials. You don't have one of those in this thread.

[Master_Baerne]

Would the hypermatter refinery be quicker to build if I had an industrial base for support? Say, the Borg? What material is the ISD providing? Will it still be usable for space combat afterwards, or is it a flying spare-parts dump?

[Ghost Rider]

Would the hypermatter refinery be quicker to build if I had an industrial base for support? Say, the Borg? What material is the ISD providing? Will it still be usable for space combat afterwards, or is it a flying spare-parts dump?

You have NO INDUSTRIAL BASE. None, and the technologies are easily thousands of years away. The Borg aren't even a hundrendth of the needed science or engineering knowhow, and none of the other cultures have even the slightest inkling.

All in all you're talking about building a 747 from stone age parts, a truck, and a 707. It doesn't fucking happen.

[Lord Poe]

I'd start mapping the galaxy, first with long range space telescopes, then sensors, then finally probe droids.

Near civilization, I'd find a dense nebula, and park the fleet there. Using armed shuttles, I'd kidnap a Harry Mudd or three, download their star charts, then interrogate them heavily. I'd send two of them to the UFP, with a request for an audience: no more than two ships.

The meeting would take place far from the nebula, with 5 star destroyers. The Eclipse-class and the other 5 ISDs would never be seen by anyone.
We'd offer the UFP the total elimination or subjugation of the Borg. In return, we'd require a class M colony planet, with a space station. Also, an offer of tech exchange.

[Master_Baerne]

Would the hypermatter refinery be quicker to build if I had an industrial base for support? Say, the Borg? What material is the ISD providing? Will it still be usable for space combat afterwards, or is it a flying spare-parts dump?

You have NO INDUSTRIAL BASE. None, and the technologies are easily thousands of years away. The Borg aren't even a hundrendth of the needed science or engineering knowhow, and none of the other cultures have even the slightest inkling.

All in all you're talking about building a 747 from stone age parts, a truck, and a 707. It doesn't fucking happen.

Yes, but if I had something to start from, perhaps I could use it for production of raw materials. The Borg would make good construction workers. It would be like making a car out of a heap of raw iron ore, but with the blueprints and a forge.

[rhoenix]

Yes, but if I had something to start from, perhaps I could use it for production of raw materials. The Borg would make good construction workers. It would be like making a car out of a heap of raw iron ore, but with the blueprints and a forge.

Yes, all this is true - but you don't have an industrial base to start from.

You could build one, slowly, using parts cannibalized from ships and whatnot, but it would take time, as listed in the OP.

On the other hand, you are correct - the Borg would make excellent construction workers, providing you're firmly in charge.

[AK-047]

Firstly, it seems that many people have the idea that every Imperial engineer has memorized schematics to any system that you would need. Seeing how all the ships in the fleet are warships, which had always relied on fueling depots and space facilities to keep maintenance, the engineers probably wouldn't know how to make anything other than what they usually deal with, with the exception that you do have the plans for hypermatter refineries and blaster gas miners.

Secondly, as mentioned before, hiring the Borg to be slaves/workers would be telling them to build things they've never built before. Without sufficient information, you would receive a final product that is much less impressive compared to your existing fleet. With sufficient information, the Borg would steal it and perhaps even retrofit their cubes to become threats to your fleet, which is MUCH smaller than all of the Borg, to say the least.

[Darth Wong]

It would be like making a car out of a heap of raw iron ore, but with the blueprints and a forge.

I would love to see you make a single stainless steel bolt out of a heap of iron ore and a forge, never mind an entire fucking car. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[MKSheppard]

You have NO INDUSTRIAL BASE. None, and the technologies are easily thousands of years away.

Actually no, you DO have an industrial base. The Sector Command Ships, of which the Eclipse is one (but albeit beefed up); have quite significant stowage depots; plus support facilities; they're intended to be mobile light shipyards to support the combat ships within the sector group fleet.

[Ender]

It seems implied that the fleet came through the black hole, if we were close enough to be consumed by it. Is this the case?

Basically. Close enough so that it's a danger if you just sit there after arriving, but as long as you move, you're fine.

According to Wookiepedia (questionable source ahoy) hypermatter refineries are made near massive black holes. It was meant as a setup.

Edit it then, nothing states where hypermatter is made. Repulsors are made near black hles, someone confused the two.

[rhoenix]

Edit it then, nothing states where hypermatter is made. Repulsors are made near black hles, someone confused the two.

I am unable to find any source now for how hypermatter is created on Wookiepedia or another site.

It is possible I've confused the two - I'll edit the OP.

[rhoenix]

It is possible I've confused the two - I'll edit the OP.

And, in my haste, I forgot that one cannot edit their posts within this forum. Consider this a ghetto edit of the OP:

"For the sake of the direction of discussion, hypermatter may be refined from specially-designed refineries that must straddle the event horizon of a supermassive black hole, such as the one in the center of the Milky Way."