Dutch & Co. at Thermopylae (SP?)

[Chardok]

Okay, so, let's say the Leonidas and company at thermopylae see a strange sight. A glowing orb appears and quickly dissipates, and standing where said orb was, are several rough characters: The commando unit from Predator, here to assist in the defense. The Commando unit have all of their wank-tastic gear and it's fully functional with "Movie loads" of ammo (Read: thousands of minigun rounds magically crammed into the tiny backpack, the M16A2/M203 with 700 round clips no bigger than standard 30 round clips, and multiple grenades able to fire from the M203 without reloading and the MP5 with the stopping power of your average GAU8/A with combat loading)

So, are these force multipliers enough to drive back the persians, or no?


Scenario numero Dos

Also, for fun, let's do another scenario, same thread. Let's say a T-800 arrives to supplement the Spartans (Instead of the commandos) but he arrives with no weapons, per the original movie restrictions.

Now, GOFIGHTWIN!

[Ariphaos]

Is this the movie or the actual event?

[Chardok]

Oh, let's say movie; more of us are, I'm sure, familiar with that.

[The Yosemite Bear]

no armour vs. arrows, and quanity has a quality all it's own.

[Solauren]

Providing the marines don't get killed by the first arrow volley

I can imagine the look on the Persians face when 1 man single handly wipes out a few advances with what looks like the power of the gods.

Follow that up with from grenade fire.

The casualties will be hire on the Persain side, but eventually, the marines will run out of ammo.

[The Grim Squeaker]

First scenario - Not sure since they will run out of ammo eventually, but they'd still have the Spartans and thousands of mini-gun holes and grenades will mean thousands of dead Persians...

Second scenario - The T-800 kills them all. Eventually. (Gotta love that 1,095 long power-core). Even the freaky magic grenades won't destroy it if it can move, and the soldiers will butcher any of the Persian "Super-bosses"

[Darth Tanner]

The marines die on the first arrow barrage, unless they steal shields from some of the Persians. But they will likely take several thousand Persians with them, which will damage Persian morale far more than what the Spartans did to them as the noise of the mini gun will put the fear of the gods into them. However the Persians have the numbers and 'scary leader' syndrome to just swarm them once they run low on ammo.

The terminator can not be damaged by the anything the Persian army has except perhaps the elephants and the rhino who may be able to damage it by standing on it. It's going to take a while for him to chomp through it all but he's got the time to do it in.

[Howedar]

Why are they holding fire until the Persians are within effective arrow range?

[AirshipFanboy]

Scenario 1:

They commandos will drive them back. Seeing a few men mow down hundreds of Persians with their magic mini-gun of death with break the morale of the Persian army.

Scenario 2:

I don't know. This depends on how many times the T-800 can get stabbed and still walk.

[Enigma]

Let's add an additional scenario. T-1000 against the Persians.

[Havok]

Ok, first of all Dutch and the gang aren't Marines.

O'l Painless rips the Persians a new one, and as Howedar mentioned, the 203s and snipers waste mass amounts of the enemy well before they get within arrow range. Booby traps will abound on the cliff side pass if they don't decide to just drop it into the sea to start with. The goat pass is also booby trapped like an MFer.

When they do evetually run out of ammo, Billy, JTBV, Dutch and Action Jackson, along with Leonodis and the 300, go to town with machettes and K-Bars on the, lets say, 1/4 or so of Persian force that aren't dead or didn't run away.

The T-800 is useless. It looks like a naked unarmed man. The Persians, seeing that attack it and after realizing it isn't a man, eventually just push it into the ocean.

[Darth Wong]

Ok, first of all Dutch and the gang aren't Marines.

O'l Painless rips the Persians a new one, and as Howedar mentioned, the 203s and snipers waste mass amounts of the enemy well before they get within arrow range. Booby traps will abound on the cliff side pass if they don't decide to just drop it into the sea to start with. The goat pass is also booby trapped like an MFer.

When they do evetually run out of ammo, Billy, JTBV, Dutch and Action Jackson, along with Leonodis and the 300, go to town with machettes and K-Bars on the, lets say, 1/4 or so of Persian force that aren't dead or didn't run away.

There's also the grenades. I honestly can't see the Persians continuing to attack in the face of such relentless seemingly magical death-dealing. Especially if the commandos are smart enough to seek high ground and kill the enemy from altitude. Especially since they don't even know that these new combatants can run out of ammo. As far as they're concerned, they're being struck down by the gods. And one must wonder what would happen if they held their fire until they could take out Xerxes himself with a sniper shot.

The T-800 is useless. It looks like a naked unarmed man. The Persians, seeing that attack it and after realizing it isn't a man, eventually just push it into the ocean.

Not too damned likely. All it has to do is not stand with its back facing the ocean, and that plan goes to shit. And it's strong enough (and heavy enough) to simply tear through any mass of people that attacks it. You could push it with a mountain of flesh and it could just tear a hole through it.

[Beowulf]

If we're going by the movie version of 300, there's tall cliffs directly behind the Spartan positions. That in itself should provide fairly sufficient levels of protection from arrow fire. It also has the benefit of immunity to melee attacks, as well as giving good fields of fire to Dutch and Co. Against a mass opponent, they can't miss. And they don't necessarily need to hold their fire to lure Xerxes in. Snipers can fire shots at ranges over a mile. The M107 has an effective range of about 2,000 yards.

Similarly, the T-800 should be effectively invulnerable to the attacks of the Persians, and can go on the offensive. Xerxes turns into a shish-kabob.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Why are they holding fire until the Persians are within effective arrow range?

because you can't shoot through a mountain pass.

[Havok]

The T-800 is useless. It looks like a naked unarmed man. The Persians, seeing that attack it and after realizing it isn't a man, eventually just push it into the ocean.

Not too damned likely. All it has to do is not stand with its back facing the ocean, and that plan goes to shit. And it's strong enough (and heavy enough) to simply tear through any mass of people that attacks it. You could push it with a mountain of flesh and it could just tear a hole through it.

It's not Superman. The rhino alone could have run it down or head tossed it off the cliff, no to mention the elephants.

As for the human wave technique, the T-800 can be knocked over and drug to the cliffs. Yeah it's going to take a lot of lives, but the majority of Xerxes army are slaves and like he said, he would gladly kill his army himself to gain victory.

[Havok]

Fun OT fact:

"O.J. Simpson was considered for the role of the Terminator, but the producers feared he was "too nice" to be taken seriously as a cold-blooded killer."

Found that looking for T-800 stats.

[weemadando]

People, people. Why would Dutch and co. be HIDING from the arrows. The baby oil and sweat combo would cause any arrows to simply "slick" off their bodies.

And remember, they feared no bullets. Why fear arrows?

[Admiral Valdemar]

It's not Superman. The rhino alone could have run it down or head tossed it off the cliff, no to mention the elephants.

As for the human wave technique, the T-800 can be knocked over and drug to the cliffs. Yeah it's going to take a lot of lives, but the majority of Xerxes army are slaves and like he said, he would gladly kill his army himself to gain victory.

The rhino, while a big brute, isn't a new threat. We've seen the T-800 endo take an articulated lorry to the face and not get more than a limp after said petrol loaded lorry exploded around it afterwards. The rhino may find it difficult to push the Terminator off the cliff if the T-800 just rams a fist through its skull. It is, after all, a walking hydraulic press in terms of power.

Again with the humans, I think after the first dozen waves get their heads punched off and hearts ripped out, the others might high tail it out of there. One presumes the machine will sit there and get pushed, rather than actually move round or massacre more.

[weemadando]

It's not Superman. The rhino alone could have run it down or head tossed it off the cliff, no to mention the elephants.

As for the human wave technique, the T-800 can be knocked over and drug to the cliffs. Yeah it's going to take a lot of lives, but the majority of Xerxes army are slaves and like he said, he would gladly kill his army himself to gain victory.

The rhino, while a big brute, isn't a new threat. We've seen the T-800 endo take an articulated lorry to the face and not get more than a limp after said petrol loaded lorry exploded around it afterwards. The rhino may find it difficult to push the Terminator off the cliff if the T-800 just rams a fist through its skull. It is, after all, a walking hydraulic press in terms of power.

Again with the humans, I think after the first dozen waves get their heads punched off and hearts ripped out, the others might high tail it out of there. One presumes the machine will sit there and get pushed, rather than actually move round or massacre more.

The T-800 is overkill on an insane level. I'd actually like to see what the Persians reaction is if it is told to "kill Xerxes" and just carves a bloody trail straight to the throne at above human sprinting speed.

[Teleros]

Have to agree that Dutch & co would butcher the Persians - and the psychological effect of seeing your comrades get shredded by "magic" wouldn't do Xerxes much good either, to say nothing of what happens when Xerxes himself is taken out by a sniper rifle.

As for the T-800 and T-1000, the problem as I see is the time it'd take to butcher all those soldiers. If the T-1000 can infiltrate however, then, again say bye to Xerxes.

[Gil Hamilton]

Out of curiousity, where do they plug Painless into at Thermopylae? Miniguns need a power source and I remember in Predator they did it by having Ventura's character dragging a cord connected to a truck battery behind him.

[Sidewinder]

I doubt the special forces unit from 'Predator' has enough ammo to kill one million enemy soldiers. The Persians will suffer horrendous casualties, but they'll eventually win.

Scenario numero Dos

Also, for fun, let's do another scenario, same thread. Let's say a T-800 arrives to supplement the Spartans (Instead of the commandos) but he arrives with no weapons, per the original movie restrictions.

The Persians have NOTHING that can pierce the T-800's armor or damage his vital systems. Unfortunately for the T-800, his Spartan buddies are NOT invulnerable to Persian weapons. While the T-800 is busy killing Persians one by one, the Spartans will be dying one by one, and will be gone before the T-800 is done.

[Beowulf]

The minigun, as seen in Predator, required a negligible power source. In real life, it needed a truck battery to power it, but in real life, you'd not be able to lift a reasonable amount of ammo either.

I don't think even the movie had the Persians with a million men. Even regardless, the Spartans didn't lose until they were surrounded. Dutch and co can prevent that, thus preventing the loss by the Spartans.

Similarly the T-800 will be able to kill off Xerxes before the three days of fighting is over. That, or it's turned the army into puree by that time. Either way, the Spartans stay alive.

[Covenant]

The T-800 is going to more or less be an unstoppable terror weapon if it works behind the front line of Spartans, or comes in from the flanks along with the other rabble that night they take on the Ninja Orc Immortals.

Arnie could walk up and disembowel the ogre, and then just go to town on the rest of everyone else. Hell, the Spartans might even mistake the fucker for some incarnation of Hercules. There is really nothing that could be done to stop him, and when Leonidas hears that the Persians have discovered the goat path, they could send the Hercunator to stand there with a spear and a shield and stop the Persians from breaking through. Since he's more or less unstoppable and unkillable along the rugged terrain along that path (since men can't stop him and you won't have much luck driving Rhinos up a path like that) the 300 spartans will be able to hold out for a vastly inflated period of time. It may have also stopped the other Greeks from fleeing.

Furthermore, if Termie survives to the end, instead of Leonidas whipping his spear at Xerses, the Terminator could do the same. I'm nearly positive that it'd have perfect aim from atop that cliff--or just be able to rush up and crush him.

Either way, I think the Persians could kill all the Spartans through simple human wave tactics if they ignore the losses they take. But men aren't ants, and morale is one of the main problems the Persians face. With an unstoppable killing machine either guarding that path or being used as Leonidas' weapon of vengeance, the Persian force is going to be defeated. He's a roadblock.

You could probably even do a better job by putting the Terminator in the middle of the pass and letting the Spartans hold the goat path themselves. The mountain pass is not terribly wide--the Spartans were holding it at it's widest spot, and the Terminator could wade back until it's only a few men wide. You'd have such a mass of bodies I doubt anyone would be able to get through him. That's a bit of a Sampson trick, but I think it'd be viable, considering the T-800's physical durability versus presumably bronze weapons and muscle.

As for Dutch and Crew, I think they'd probably use the gates as a kill zone. I'm not sure if they have Claymores or anything, but this is what those are designed for. They could stop anything so long as they have ammo, and with Hollywood-style Ammo belts as the OP states they have, they'll be able to drive the Persians back.

Note, the real issue with the commandos is ammo capacity. They don't have enough to kill the zillions of Persians up on that hill. But they will be able to flank around and drive THROUGH them before the arrows can be successfully vollied into their position. If they go at this like Commandos (which they are), they'll figure out the dude on the giant slavepowered building is the guy in charge, and they'll probably gun their way through to him. If not, they'll probably get killed off eventually, but again, the real problem the Spartans encountered was being flanked. The Commandos could outflank a bunch of idiots in wicker armor, for sure.