ST vs. SW

[The Evil Shadow]

Debate with me Mike Wong.

ST Beats true SW canon.

Oh yeah no using that fiction universe in your head. REAL FACTS Vs. REAL FACTS. I.E. Reality.

Start with Speed.

[Hawkwings]

In before lock.

No, seriously.

What's this "reality" you define? What's "true SW canon".

What are the parameters of this debate?

[The Spartan]

In TPM they travelled from Naboo to Tatooine to Courscant in a time span that can be measured in days. Star Trek would require years if not decades to travel that same distance.

Moron.

[rhoenix]

Have you read ANY of the main site?

Any of it? Any of the essays, other debates, anything?

Ah, well. *gets popcorn*

[Ted C]

I suspect his sig says everything we need to know about him.

[Darth Servo]

Good. I could use some dumb trekkie getting thrashed for entertainment.

<grabs some popcorn>

[Darth Wong]

Debate with me Mike Wong.

ST Beats true SW canon.

If you don't like Lucasfilm's definition of canon, leave. The fact that some imbeciles out there think they can unilaterally define "true canon" in defiance of Lucasfilm policy may carry weight on Dumbshit's forum, but not here.

Oh yeah no using that fiction universe in your head. REAL FACTS Vs. REAL FACTS. I.E. Reality.

I hate to break it to you, but SW is fiction. Lucasfilm even gets to decide what it is.

Start with Speed.

No thanks, I don't do drugs. Besides, you've obviously done enough for both of us.

[Feil]

I hate to break it to you, Shadow, but Star Wars and Star Trek are not real. They only exist in our heads. That's why we call them fiction.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Looks like this guy dropped out halfway through the Darkstar school of debating

[Hawkwings]

No, that would have left him semi-coherent, as opposed to finishing and making no sense at all.

[The Evil Shadow]

GEE I like this method of debate. can't debate, just trash talk.

SW Canon = Movie and Mr. Lucas

"I hate to break it to you, Shadow, but Star Wars and Star Trek are not real. They only exist in our heads. That's why we call them fiction."
The DVDs are in our heads too? hmm no wonder some people act stupid.

Borg Transwarp takes minutes to travel across the galaxy. as seen in VOY end game.

Hyperdrive takes hours to do the same as seen in the movies.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

GEE I like this method of debate. can't debate, just trash talk.

SW Canon = Movie and Mr. Lucas

"I hate to break it to you, Shadow, but Star Wars and Star Trek are not real. They only exist in our heads. That's why we call them fiction."
The DVDs are in our heads too? hmm no wonder some people act stupid.

Borg Transwarp takes minutes to travel across the galaxy. as seen in VOY end game.

Hyperdrive takes hours to do the same as seen in the movies.

Transwarp Hubs need to be built, moron, hyperdrive does not. If it only took a few minutes, how come the Federation was able to assemble a fleet at the AQ end of the conduit?

[ArcturusMengsk]

All you need to prove that the Galactic Empire can easily dominate the entire Alpha Quadrant can be found in the very first Star Wars film.



Behold, the Death Star, a marvel of Imperial engineering capable of overcoming the gravitational binding energy of a planet through brute force and scattering its mass. Such an event requires at least 5E16 megatons.

The first Death Star was a perfect sphere 160 kilometers in diameter. From this you can derive its volume and scale down to get a rough estimate of the power an Imperial-class Star Destroyer ought to be capable of producing.

[Isolder74]

Star Wars Canon by Lucasfilm's policies is the Movies, then the EU. Where there is a contridiction the movies win. If you don't like the fact of that too bad.

I'm sorry that Paramount's police only make the filmed material usable in a debate it would make the issue much easier.

[The Evil Shadow]

Hmm lets see I have fleet of ships defending earth thanks to the breen, I see a borg transwarp sig pop up near earth. hmm let see what I would do. Maybe send them to intercept whatever is coming through.

Borg ships can reach transwarp on their own as seen in a episode of VOY when the crew is trying to steal a transwarp drive from the borg. the transwarp hub only makes more stable and a bit faster.


"Transwarp Hubs need to be built, moron, hyperdrive does not" oh really. So the ships in SW can go to Hyper drive by magic?

[ArcturusMengsk]

Hmm lets see I have fleet of ships defending earth thanks to the breen, I see a borg transwarp sig pop up near earth. hmm let see what I would do. Maybe send them to intercept whatever is coming through.

Borg ships can reach transwarp on their own as seen in a episode of VOY when the crew is trying to steal a transwarp drive from the borg. the transwarp hub only makes more stable and a bit faster.


"Transwarp Hubs need to be built, moron, hyperdrive does not" oh really. So the ships in SW can go to Hyper drive by magic?

Are you that fucking retarded, or do you bother to watch your screen as you type as opposed to randomly slamming your hands on the keyboard and slathering like an idiot?

Transwarp is faster than hyperdrive, yes. There are also six hubs in the entire galaxy through which a ship can enter it. Hyperdrive is faster than any other form of warp and can be entered from any point in space by a ship with a hyperdrive engine. Not that this is relevant anyway, because the Alpha Quadrant powers (the main players of the series) are not able to use it.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Hmm lets see I have fleet of ships defending earth thanks to the breen, I see a borg transwarp sig pop up near earth. hmm let see what I would do. Maybe send them to intercept whatever is coming through.

Borg ships can reach transwarp on their own as seen in a episode of VOY when the crew is trying to steal a transwarp drive from the borg. the transwarp hub only makes more stable and a bit faster.


"Transwarp Hubs need to be built, moron, hyperdrive does not" oh really. So the ships in SW can go to Hyper drive by magic?

They have an on board drive, they don't need a massive station to operate. And if the Borg invaded the SW galaxy, they'd need to build a TW hub, you really think they could do that without being discovered in the time it would take to build something that big?

As for the Breen attack, you ignore the fact that at the time, the Earth would have significant orbital defences, not necessarily a large fleet. In Endgame, there were 18 ships in position, with 9 more on the way. Given it takes hours to get anywhere in Federation space, that implies the conduit was there for more than a few minutes.

[The Evil Shadow]

"Star Wars Canon by Lucasfilm's policies is the Movies, then the EU. Where there is a contridiction the movies win. If you don't like the fact of that too bad.

I'm sorry that Paramount's police only make the filmed material usable in a debate it would make the issue much easier"

Mr. Lucas might say other wise. So would any other true debater. Unless the creactor of any show says other wise most books and games do not count as true canon, because if that was the case I could write a book where ST ships can destroy the entire galaxy.

oohh how scary, something that a really big target and can be easily outmanuevered. Guess what ST has tons of Super weapons that can destroy planets too and still be smaller targets and faster.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

"Star Wars Canon by Lucasfilm's policies is the Movies, then the EU. Where there is a contridiction the movies win. If you don't like the fact of that too bad.

I'm sorry that Paramount's police only make the filmed material usable in a debate it would make the issue much easier"

Mr. Lucas might say other wise. So would any other true debater. Unless the creactor of any show says other wise most books and games do not count as true canon, because if that was the case I could write a book where ST ships can destroy the entire galaxy.

oohh how scary, something that a really big target and can be easily outmanuevered. Guess what ST has tons of Super weapons that can destroy planets too and still be smaller targets and faster.

And if only what the creator approved counted, then you'd have to lose most of TNG, all of DS9, VOY and ENT, as well as STVII onwards, including many superweapons. Fucking idiot.

[ArcturusMengsk]

Mr. Lucas might say other wise.

But he doesn't.

So would any other true debater.

But they don't.

Unless the creactor of any show says other wise most books and games do not count as true canon, because if that was the case I could write a book where ST ships can destroy the entire galaxy.

Hogwash. Series which lack a clearly defined policy are precisely that - without a canon policy. In the case at hand, however, both series fortunately have clearly defined canon policy - for Star Wars it's all licensed material not bearing the Infinities logo, and for Trek it's the movies and films to the exclusion of all else.

oohh how scary, something that a really big target and can be easily outmanuevered.

And which is also covered in hundreds of thousands of turbolaser emplacements capable of one-shotting any Alpha Quadrant vessel.

Guess what ST has tons of Super weapons that can destroy planets too and still be smaller targets and faster.

One-episode wonders which have been lost, sure. Weapons which can be built in any meaningful timeframes? Not on your life.

[The Evil Shadow]

"Are you that fucking retarded, or do you bother to watch your screen as you type as opposed to randomly slamming your hands on the keyboard and slathering like an idiot?

Transwarp is faster than hyperdrive, yes. There are also six hubs in the entire galaxy through which a ship can enter it. Hyperdrive is faster than any other form of warp and can be entered from any point in space by a ship with a hyperdrive engine. Not that this is relevant anyway, because the Alpha Quadrant powers (the main players of the series) are not able to use it."

Oh I watch the screen to see what I type. OH S***, you just admited something in ST is better than SW. wormholes anybody? how about Q transporting ships around in mere seconds. Q would do it to amuse himself.


"They have an on board drive, they don't need a massive station to operate. And if the Borg invaded the SW galaxy, they'd need to build a TW hub, you really think they could do that without being discovered in the time it would take to build something that big?

As for the Breen attack, you ignore the fact that at the time, the Earth would have significant orbital defences, not necessarily a large fleet. In Endgame, there were 18 ships in position, with 9 more on the way. Given it takes hours to get anywhere in Federation space, that implies the conduit was there for more than a few minutes."

They might be able to considering how fast they can repair their ships. No it means that 18 ship were near or at earth, with nine more on the way. After all any smart leader would keep atleast 10 ships near their H.Q. to make sure their H.Q. would not be attacked.

[ArcturusMengsk]

OH S***, you just admited something in ST is better than SW.

Transwarp is faster. It's also much less useful insofar as it requires prefabricated transwarp hubs.

wormholes anybody?

Which have precisely the same disatvantages as the hubs, in addition to being occasionally unstable and oftimes unknown.

how about Q transporting ships around in mere seconds. Q would do it to amuse himself.

He's never interfered before during a war.

They might be able to considering how fast they can repair their ships. No it means that 18 ship were near or at earth, with nine more on the way. After all any smart leader would keep atleast 10 ships near their H.Q. to make sure their H.Q. would not be attacked.

Then the Federation must be wanting for intelligent leaders. See the U.S.S. Lakota incident for details.

[Jark]

I thought the transwarp coil in a Borg vessel is what was used to enter the transwarp network that is sustained by the hubs, or am I mistaken?

[The Evil Shadow]

"And if only what the creator approved counted, then you'd have to lose most of TNG, all of DS9, VOY and ENT, as well as STVII onwards, including many superweapons. Fucking idiot. "

No, ST was made for the people by the people.
and oh I see you start to lose so you name call/flame/cuss me. nice.



"Hogwash. Series which lack a clearly defined policy are precisely that - without a canon policy. In the case at hand, however, both series fortunately have clearly defined canon policy - for Star Wars it's all licensed material not bearing the Infinities logo, and for Trek it's the movies and films to the exclusion of all else. "

Oh really. funny because you all are using false Canon. ST has books that do stay with true Canon.

"And which is also covered in hundreds of thousands of turbolaser emplacements capable of one-shotting any Alpha Quadrant vessel. "

Whats there range? One shot killing any ST ship?is not going to happen in a real battle.

"One-episode wonders which have been lost, sure. Weapons which can be built in any meaningful timeframes? Not on your life."

The Cardies might say otherwise since they made a superweapon. ST races know how to travel through time which that skill counts as a super weapon.

[Surlethe]

The guy's got to be like ten or something. He types like my eleven-year-old brother.