ST vs. SW

[ArcturusMengsk]

... So are you actually going to provide evidence, or summarize bad TNG episodes so that we don't have to watch them?

[Darth Wong]

The guy's got to be like ten or something. He types like my eleven-year-old brother.

Of course he is. One thing Darkstar doesn't like to comment on is that anybody who agrees with him is invariably a kiddie. Where are the successful, gainfully employed, scientifically knowledgeable university educated people who agree with this kind of moronic viewpoint?

[Surlethe]

"The guy's got to be like ten or something. He types like my eleven-year-old brother."

hmm funny microsoft word says i'm far past 12th grade typing.

Yes, that is funny. It say a lot more about Microsoft Word's software than about your intelligence or ability to put words together. Seriously, if you're far past 12th grade typing now, then I was far past it in the fifth grade.

[Master_Baerne]

No, ST was made for the people by the people.

At least he dosen't argue that the Federation aren't communists.

Oh really. funny because you all are using false Canon. ST has books that do stay with true Canon.

Even with only the first movie as canon, SW wins. See the picture of the Death Star.

[Darth Servo]

GEE I like this method of debate. can't debate, just trash talk.

Gee, I like TES's method of debate. Ignore points like that brought up from Phantom Menace (which was hours, not days) and simply harp on the fact that people are flaming you for being an idiot.

SW Canon = Movie and Mr. Lucas

And anything Mr. Lucas or his company approves.

Borg Transwarp takes minutes to travel across the galaxy. as seen in VOY end game.

Assuming zero time elapses between scene changes, all relying on the word of a bimbo like 7 of 9, highly known for wildy exaggerating borg capabilities.

Hyperdrive takes hours to do the same as seen in the movies.

Hours is an upper limit, not an exact figure. The Falcon managed to get well outside the galaxy at the end of TESB with Luke missing a hand.

[Chardok]

Listen up, dipshit. I'm going to give you a crash course in quoting so your posts are a little more readable, which ain't saying much.

To quote someone, even just one line go like this:

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[quote="Chardok or whoever you are quoting"] blah blah blah then close out the quoted text like so: [/quote] 

without the space between the t and e. and make sure there are no spaces in the quote="name" Part.

OR, you may

highlight

even just a few words of text

and press the quote button

underneath the subject line and it will fix it up real purdy for you. Make sure there are spaces between your quoted text and your response, and THEN we may believe that microsoft says you type at a 12th grade leve, whatever the fuck that means.


For the record, every single bit of your dipshittery has been catalogued and refuted a bajillion times before, if not on the main site, in the stickies in THIS forum. No one is even a little impressed by your knowledge of shit we ALL already know.

[Darth Servo]

addition to last post: And Lando and Chewie managed to get back inside the galaxy before Boba Fett had even delivered Solo to Jabba the Hutt (Shadows of the Empire)

[ArcturusMengsk]

To be fair, most of the things I've seen indicate to me that the strange anomaly seen at the end of The Empire Strikes Back is not a galaxy due to the speed of its rotation.

[Darth Wong]

To be fair, most of the things I've seen indicate to me that the strange anomaly seen at the end of The Empire Strikes Back is not a galaxy due to the speed of its rotation.

That is the prevailing interpretation. Mind you, I suppose someone could argue that the fleet was traveling at enormous speed in an orbit around the galaxy, hence making it look as if it's rotating quickly from their perspective. Of course, that would contradict Dr. Saxton's rationalization of the hyperspace tunnel effect, but since Darkstar acolytes reject all of Dr. Saxton's work as irrelevant despite being licensed by Lucasfilm, that really shouldn't be a problem here. Therefore, if you apply the strict "only the movies" rule, then that's a galaxy because it looks like one, and the Rebels are traveling at an utterly ridiculous speed while orbiting around it.

[Ghost Rider]

LMAO...just keeping this here, because morons of this particular breed are rare.

I have to see if he continues.

[Darth Lucifer]

fed phasers have a range of 300,000 km. torpedos have a range of 4 million km.

Quoted from the ST:TNG tech manual no doubt. If we go by that non-canon source you do realize of course that you just knocked DOWN your max theoretical photorp yield to 64 megatons, right?

Lasers would not kill a ST ship in one shot as seen in TNG episodes.

Another "no lasers" tard. I love how morons like this conveniently forget about Borg "lasers" (TNG -"Q Who;" I believe Worf's words were "a type of laser...") that sliced up the Ent-D "Like a roast." Or the Lysians (TNG-"Conundrum") who had laser beams that rocked the ship enough to disrupt it's internal stability.

[Darth Servo]

fed phasers have a range of 300,000 km. torpedos have a range of 4 million km.

Quoted from the ST:TNG tech manual no doubt.

Actually canon has torps at 300,000 (The Wounded). Mind you, that was not a fleet action where we see mush shorter distances.

If we go by that non-canon source you do realize of course that you just knocked DOWN your max theoretical photorp yield to 64 megatons, right?

The TV shows have much lower figures.

Lasers would not kill a ST ship in one shot as seen in TNG episodes.

Another "no lasers" tard. I love how morons like this conveniently forget about Borg "lasers" (TNG -"Q Who;" I believe Worf's words were "a type of laser...") that sliced up the Ent-D "Like a roast." Or the Lysians (TNG-"Conundrum") who had laser beams that rocked the ship enough to disrupt it's internal stability.

Or even Picard's second statement from Outrageous Okona where he explicitly stated that it was just the lasers on those ships, not lasers in general.

Hell, this retard apparently doesn't even understand the difference between seeing and hearing. Hint to Evil Shadowtard: you do not "see" a character's words.

[Ted C]

Mr. Lucas might say other wise. So would any other true debater.

Did he just spew a "No True Scotsman" fallacy? Amazing! It's not every day you see someone stupid enough to try to redefine "debater" to only include petulant trekkies who hate the EU.

Unless the creactor of any show says other wise most books and games do not count as true canon, because if that was the case I could write a book where ST ships can destroy the entire galaxy.

If you apply your own policy to Star Trek, then Deep Space Nine and Voyager aren't canon. Gene Roddenberry once said "It's not Star Trek unless I say it's Star Trek," and he never gave that blessing to those shows.

[General Zod]

If we go by that non-canon source you do realize of course that you just knocked DOWN your max theoretical photorp yield to 64 megatons, right?

The TV shows have much lower figures.

Especially when you figure in a torpedo's only going to use about half its maximum yield in space due to the nature of exploding in a vacuum.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Anyone who comes out with the no-laser crap, I direct them to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8J2LIDv8yY

[Darth Servo]

After all any smart leader would keep atleast 10 ships near their H.Q. to make sure their H.Q. would not be attacked.

Then you've just admitted that Starfleet is run by morons since every OTHER time we've seen Earth in canon, there is one, maybe two or three ships present TOPS.

[Ender]

I'm not sure who are the worse debaters here - the Trekkie, or those of you arguing for Wars. No positive claims because you guys are so used to shouting ICS ICS ICS that you don't know how to prove a damn thing otherwise.

The real interesting this is everyone is going negative, instead of positive. It's like I'm reading the pre-ASVS usenet archives.

BTW, if Trek shields were immune to lasers, then photon torpedos, lidar, heat exchangers, and spectrometers wouldn't work (and we know they do), nor could we see the ship.

[bilateralrope]

If you apply your own policy to Star Trek, then Deep Space Nine and Voyager aren't canon. Gene Roddenberry once said "It's not Star Trek unless I say it's Star Trek," and he never gave that blessing to those shows.

Did Gene Roddenberry also say at one point that TOS wasn't canon any more, or was that just a rumour ?

[General Zod]

I'm not sure who are the worse debaters here - the Trekkie, or those of you arguing for Wars. No positive claims because you guys are so used to shouting ICS ICS ICS that you don't know how to prove a damn thing otherwise.

The real interesting this is everyone is going negative, instead of positive. It's like I'm reading the pre-ASVS usenet archives.

Why should we bother making anything resembling a serious effort here when this asslicker hasn't even bothered doing anything except bleat "Trek beats wars! Only movies are canon lolz!11!!!!111"

[Ender]

I'm not sure who are the worse debaters here - the Trekkie, or those of you arguing for Wars. No positive claims because you guys are so used to shouting ICS ICS ICS that you don't know how to prove a damn thing otherwise.

The real interesting this is everyone is going negative, instead of positive. It's like I'm reading the pre-ASVS usenet archives.

Why should we bother making anything resembling a serious effort here when this asslicker hasn't even bothered doing anything except bleat "Trek beats wars! Only movies are canon lolz!11!!!!111"

Personally, I believe that if you are going to do anything, be it a hobby, career, or idle time killer, you should strive to do your best and be the best at it.

[Ryushikaze]

If you apply your own policy to Star Trek, then Deep Space Nine and Voyager aren't canon. Gene Roddenberry once said "It's not Star Trek unless I say it's Star Trek," and he never gave that blessing to those shows.

Did Gene Roddenberry also say at one point that TOS wasn't canon any more, or was that just a rumour ?

He wrote in the TMP novel, from Kirk's POV that the original series was an aggrandized in universe television program of the adventures of the enterprise. Aside from that, I don't believe so.

[Darth Wong]

Personally, I believe that if you are going to do anything, be it a hobby, career, or idle time killer, you should strive to do your best and be the best at it.

So do I. But "being the best" at something doesn't mean you need to put in 100% effort all the time, even when you run into a low-quality argument. We're talking about a guy whose only justification for his "you do not have the right to have a different canon policy than mine" nonsense is to mumble that "Mr. Lucas might say otherwise". If you respond to every half-assed knock-off argument with a long-winded treatise, then you end up putting in 20 minutes for the debate for every 60 seconds he does, and he can wear you down and waste your time by simply not conceding.

Instead of this "Evil Shadow" moron challenging me to make an argument (which I already did, on my website), I'd like to see him actually make a carefully constructed argument of his own. He's putting in pretty much zero effort here.

[Singular Intellect]

SDN must be really desperate for fodder if they're actually entertaining this level of...erm...entertainment.

[Ghost Rider]

SDN must be really desperate for fodder if they're actually entertaining this level of...erm...entertainment.

If you don't care for it, don't spam +1 posts.

[The Evil Shadow]

A number of times of him intervening have been hinted. Q is as powerful or more so than god.

Really, when?

All the SW movies count a canon.

SW canon policy stats that the movies are G level canon (highest), the EU is C level canon and is only disregarded if it is contradicted by the movies.

The cardies super weapon is made to blow up planets and destroy any ship that gets in the way.

Evidence that the yield is high enough.

hmm funny in the movies we only see them fire at a range around 1km
fed phasers have a range of 300,000 km. torpedos have a range of 4 million km.

I take it you never saw Return of the Jedi. Also please show where these amazing weapon ranges you've come up with are from.

Lasers would not kill a ST ship in one shot as seen in TNG episodes. SW lasers have about the same power of a ST laser. Not omfg level of power.

Not this shit again, SW weapons are not Lasers, the name is merely a legacy from previous weapons.
Even if they were lasers, the power generation capabilities of SW ships is so far beyond that of ST that it wouldn't matter. Don't believe me, look in the AotC:ICS (which by the way is canon as nothing in the book is contradicted by the movies).

Because Time warfare is risky too risky for some.
go to lordepa's blog to see what he thinks about SW tech.

I'll read lordepa's blog when you show that you have read the main site...which should be about the same time as the universe ends, so you'll exuse me if I don't hang around

ISDs sit there while Trek ships move.

Proof of this please

Borg hubs go to more than one place.

Again please provide proof of this

"Q has never interfered in a war. He has a tendency not to mess with things that could obviously result in a being's death." Oh really so thats why he let 18 members of the enterprise D die at the Borg's hands.

Considering the Borg incident was part of Q's point that humans are basically stupid beings that are completly unprepared for what is out there waiting for them, I think your point is null and void.

So are you actually going to come up with something original or are you just going to regurgitate the same shit as other trektards have in the past[/quote]

Oh I have read the main site. Well its just kinda wrong... I did find the "hate Mail" part amusing.

You know calling calling people trektards and other negative names shows that all of you debate like five year olds.


"Instead of this "Evil Shadow" moron challenging me to make an argument (which I already did, on my website), I'd like to see him actually make a carefully constructed argument of his own. He's putting in pretty much zero effort here."

I don't see a reason too since its what 10-20 vs 1.. thats sad so very sad considering i'm not trying.

Tomorrow I might try harder, but i'm lazy.