SD.net Starships

[(name here)]

um, did you not notice that we will be in the SW galaxy? I'm thinking a tactical cube full of ex-drones, who could hopefully assimilate me without hooking me to the collective, given that they aren't part of it. either way, I'm going to take control of an empty system, then try to make build an industrial base, or infiltrate a rebal mobile shipyard and take over it, by means of borg beam weapons. Yes, they have them, they are just too stupid to use them.

[Ender]

I'd go with the Borg cube option myself, and probably stick to Ender's basic plan.

Which makes my primary goal your destruction and assimilation.

Gotta play for the long game sonny.

[Ghost Rider]

um, did you not notice that we will be in the SW galaxy? I'm thinking a tactical cube full of ex-drones, who could hopefully assimilate me without hooking me to the collective, given that they aren't part of it. either way, I'm going to take control of an empty system, then try to make build an industrial base, or infiltrate a rebal mobile shipyard and take over it, by means of borg beam weapons. Yes, they have them, they are just too stupid to use them.

And you're going to understand and reverse engineer SW tech again how?

[Ender]

um, did you not notice that we will be in the SW galaxy? I'm thinking a tactical cube full of ex-drones, who could hopefully assimilate me without hooking me to the collective, given that they aren't part of it. either way, I'm going to take control of an empty system, then try to make build an industrial base, or infiltrate a rebal mobile shipyard and take over it, by means of borg beam weapons. Yes, they have them, they are just too stupid to use them.

Oh good, I won't even need to bother with you, your stupidity will ensure your own destruction. Have fun with the whole "attacking a civilization where individuals have access to more energy, resources, and computation then whole planets back home do" thing.

[Crossroads Inc.]

See, this is the problem, (or interesting change) by placing things in the SW universe as opposed to the ST universe.

Usually when we have one of these "Everyone in SD.Net gets dumped into "X" Threads, a lot of people try and band togetehr, use thier smarts, and often try and conquor the world/lands/whatever.

But here.. Here we begin screwed. The large majority of ships we poick will be so insinly weak and fragil AND slow, that we will no doubt be forced to set down on a single planet, and simply try to live out our lives in peace.

The ONLY way any of us would make ANY sort of impact, would be if:

A: we start all in the same area of space, cause warp is SLOW and it would take us forver to find each other without hyperspace.

B: A large % of us pick Borg cubes. Yes yes, its virtually impossible for the Borg to "Assimilate" StarWars Tech.. bu they don't Have to.. All you need to do is capture/trade/buy an astrometric Droid or too and download just som rudimentry plans/schmetics/tech info. All the borg need is a "headstart" if you CAN teach them Starwars twech, they DO have the potential to build a large enough industrial base for the rest of us to have something to work with.

C: Many of us choose to have Voth City ships. Aside from their titanic size, the ship is known to have "transwarp" Now while this still isn't near as fast as Hyperdrive, its something that can at least get us to a starport where we can make contact, trade for supplys and tech, and meet some locals as well as scout around. More then that, as stated earlier, the Voth City ship is its own self contained community and will be good as base of opwerations.

D: Seperate the Wheat from the Chaff. Lets face if, if this IS one of those "everyone from SD.net in "X"" deals, theres going to be a lot of numbskulls out there. No-doubt picking things like Schimiters and other "badass" ships they think they can kick butt in. If, as stated above, we all start together.. it would be prudent to identify any "trouble makers" and keep them from doing something stupid that could bring the Imps down on us.

As for the rest.. I forsee a need for many more of us to pic things like the "Holoship" which would be a good way to pull in some modest revenue by renting them out.

If we start in the backwoods of the SW Galaxy, even the "primitive" tech of ST will be impressive.. Just so long as we stay the fuck away from the Empeir.

Suggestions?

PS: written at work, no spell checker.

[Starglider]

And you're going to understand and reverse engineer SW tech again how?

Actually the borg are probably the only ST race that has a chance of doing this; they can simply assimilate SW technicians, engineers and scientists into their collective (assuming that under competent human direction they can act with enough subtlety to kidnap some without being blown to bits by light turbolaser fire from a local patrol cutter).

[Ender]

And you're going to understand and reverse engineer SW tech again how?

Actually the borg are probably the only ST race that has a chance of doing this; they can simply assimilate SW technicians, engineers and scientists into their collective (assuming that under competent human direction they can act with enough subtlety to kidnap some without being blown to bits by light turbolaser fire from a local patrol cutter).

Frankly, I doubt the actual technicians and engineers have that much to do with it, I suspect most of it is done with AIs. That's the only way I can figure it is possible for individuals to design entire starships.

[Singular Intellect]

I'd go with the Borg cube option myself, and probably stick to Ender's basic plan.

Which makes my primary goal your destruction and assimilation.

Gotta play for the long game sonny.

And you assumed I wouldn't be plotting the same, why?

[(name here)]

Ghetto Edit: by infiltrate, I mean deploy drones from stealth ships who cut through weak portions of the hull, such as windows, and take over.

[(name here)]

Starglider wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
And you're going to understand and reverse engineer SW tech again how?


Actually the borg are probably the only ST race that has a chance of doing this; they can simply assimilate SW technicians, engineers and scientists into their collective (assuming that under competent human direction they can act with enough subtlety to kidnap some without being blown to bits by light turbolaser fire from a local patrol cutter).
Frankly, I doubt the actual technicians and engineers have that much to do with it, I suspect most of it is done with AIs. That's the only way I can figure it is possible for individuals to design entire starships.

reverse engineer and steal are different.

[Ender]

I'd go with the Borg cube option myself, and probably stick to Ender's basic plan.

Which makes my primary goal your destruction and assimilation.

Gotta play for the long game sonny.

And you assumed I wouldn't be plotting the same, why?

Because you didn't strike me as suicidal.

[Starglider]

Frankly, I doubt the actual technicians and engineers have that much to do with it, I suspect most of it is done with AIs.

SW probably has very impressive CAD systems but there are many, many EU scenes that make it quite clear that human scientists do the research and human engineers understand and apply all the key engineering principles. AI in SW is bizarrely limited for unknown reasons and generally not very creative (as illustrated by the near-universally-poor combat performance of droids compared to organic troops/pilots).

[Singular Intellect]

Which makes my primary goal your destruction and assimilation.

Gotta play for the long game sonny.

And you assumed I wouldn't be plotting the same, why?

Because you didn't strike me as suicidal.

"Death is irrelevent."

[Crossroads Inc.]

For once can't we actually talk about the thread in question in stead of side tracking???

[Ender]

AI in SW is bizarrely limited for unknown reasons

There have been at least 2 droid uprisings in the past that the Jedi put down (IG-88's story is questionable canon and while it was but down by the Jedi in a roundabout way, it was unknown at the time). Frankly those strike me as very good reasons.

and generally not very creative (as illustrated by the near-universally-poor combat performance of droids compared to organic troops/pilots).

? Combat droids generally do very well against organics, it is only when they face force users that they are screwed.

[Darth Wong]

Indeed. If the US Army could deploy Trade Federation battledroids in Iraq, despite all of their limitations, they'd be overjoyed.

[Ghost Rider]

Starglider wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
And you're going to understand and reverse engineer SW tech again how?


Actually the borg are probably the only ST race that has a chance of doing this; they can simply assimilate SW technicians, engineers and scientists into their collective (assuming that under competent human direction they can act with enough subtlety to kidnap some without being blown to bits by light turbolaser fire from a local patrol cutter).
Frankly, I doubt the actual technicians and engineers have that much to do with it, I suspect most of it is done with AIs. That's the only way I can figure it is possible for individuals to design entire starships.

reverse engineer and steal are different.

And steal a warship level vessel?

Because obviously you have more then your one warship, and can challenge even the lowiest criminal cartel.

Really, understand how piss poor your position is. A troop transport can assrape you. A fucking single scout ship of a fighter class can give you a bad day. What the fuck do you think you can waltz into a shipyard and successfully steal shit?

No?

Both you and Starglider are just thinking literally they'll just have a military shipyard just ripe for the taking again why?

[Crossroads Inc.]

Can We get some clarifications from the Original Poster???

1: is this an "Everyone from SD.net" or are we simply dumped one at a time into the SW universe.

2: do we get any funds/money or intel on the SW universe before we come?

[General Zod]

Can We get some clarifications from the Original Poster???

1: is this an "Everyone from SD.net" or are we simply dumped one at a time into the SW universe

Ahem.

We get to confer with each other before choosing where and when to be placed.

[(name here)]

I'm hoping to sneak up on one, and not fight any ships at all. that is why i will have the drones deployed by stealth ship instead of by cube. I may have to build a stealth ship, but i'm not stupid enough to fight anything better than a tie fighter without SW tech. If armored units are deployed on the shipyard, I am screwed, but i'm figuring that the shipyards would mostly rely on hiding for protection. otherwise, I'll have a nation that will be obliterated as soon as it is noticed. The reason i'm going after this is ironically because I'm hopelessly out classed. I'll go for a long shot instead of guaranteed obliteration.

[Starglider]

Both you and Starglider are just thinking literally they'll just have a military shipyard just ripe for the taking again why?

I'm not. I'm just saying that the Borg will be able to gain an understanding of SW tech rapidly by assimilating carefully chosen people, as long as someone is directing them to act harmless and not pull their 'resistance is futile' hilarity. However an understanding of it does not imply the ability to actually build it, and even if they could build it, the industrial capacity of a single borg cube is negligable compared to even a single major SW planet.

[Ender]

I'm hoping to sneak up on one, and not fight any ships at all. that is why i will have the drones deployed by stealth ship instead of by cube. I may have to build a stealth ship, but i'm not stupid enough to fight anything better than a tie fighter without SW tech. If armored units are deployed on the shipyard, I am screwed, but i'm figuring that the shipyards would mostly rely on hiding for protection. otherwise, I'll have a nation that will be obliterated as soon as it is noticed. The reason i'm going after this is ironically because I'm hopelessly out classed. I'll go for a long shot instead of guaranteed obliteration.

Except in space there is n such thing as stealth.

[(name here)]

Yes, there is. Turn off power and you will be very hard to find, because the only way to find you is a good active scan, and even that requires you to be nearby to tell a ship from an asteroid of similar composition.

[ArcturusMengsk]

Again I'd try to sell it to the Empire, they might have planet killers coming out of their arseholes but the ability to wipe a planet clean of life (assuming the weapon actually works on a planetary scale) without damaging infrastructure or leaving a significant mess to clean up could be useful to them.

They already have weapons just for that purpose.

As for me -- do Starbases count?

[Solauren]

Yes, there is. Turn off power and you will be very hard to find, because the only way to find you is a good active scan, and even that requires you to be nearby to tell a ship from an asteroid of similar composition.

Um, you do know that ships are made up of REFINED METAL, right? Not rocky ores. That would show up nicely on a sensor sweep.

Hell, we've seen that in Star Wars itself.

ie. Falcon is being chased into the Hoth Asteroid Field
To hide the ship, Han flew INSIDE an asteroid, rather deeply too, and then turned off the power of the ship on top of that.

Then later, to hide from the fleet, they hide on the back of a Star Destroyer.

In both cases, they had to use a much larger mass to hide. Just powering down wasn't sufficient.

You lose, big time. And probably bring the Empire down on us in the process.

Quite franly, if we were co-operating, I hope a few people bring a bad ass Trek warship alone, just to deal with idiots that threaten our security with stupid ideas and tactics like this.