ST vs. SW

[The Evil Shadow]

Aww making people mad so amusing.
Do all of you want me to debate your style? Because I can and trust me, you will not like a taste of your own medicine. hmm I know got SW BF, 3 SW books, all the movies.

As for the Q.

A Q helped in the civil war on earth. That same Q helped Newton. Later that Q also started the vulcan/Romulan war. Then that Q caused the Q civil war.

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

3: A being that can move planets and moons around (and solar systems) ,create what ever it wants , kill people by thinking about, cause suns to go nova by accident, move through time ,walk around on a star ships hull with no problem, and bring people back to life isn't a godlike being? hmm sure sound like a godlike being to me.

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?
SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

Phaser shots travel at the speed of light.

Movie and episode canon.


Going off for two days maybe less, if i'm lucky. life, it can't wait to bore you to death.

P.S. Noob and newbie killing time. I don't call myself evil shadow for no reason.

[Darth Wong]

Childish display of false bravado: Check.
Actual argument: MIA.

[General Zod]

Aww making people mad so amusing.

Was that an admission of trolling?

Phaser shots travel at the speed of light.

So the people dodging phaser shots in these clips were moving faster than light?

[Darth Wong]

I suggest we just refuse to answer this little attention whore with anything other than terse demands for a real argument until he actually provides one.

[Ender]

Aww making people mad so amusing.
Do all of you want me to debate your style? Because I can and trust me, you will not like a taste of your own medicine. hmm I know got SW BF, 3 SW books, all the movies.

As for the Q.

A Q helped in the civil war on earth. That same Q helped Newton. Later that Q also started the vulcan/Romulan war. Then that Q caused the Q civil war.

And he killed himself. So you have one person willing to help, who is dead, which means he can't. Any more brigt ideas?

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

No, he states they have great expectations. That is very different from plans.

3: A being that can move planets and moons around (and solar systems) ,create what ever it wants , kill people by thinking about, cause suns to go nova by accident, move through time ,walk around on a star ships hull with no problem, and bring people back to life isn't a godlike being? hmm sure sound like a godlike being to me.

All those can be explained through natural processes. A god is, by definition, supernatural.

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?

What slave? AOTC featured no slaves.

SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

You do realize that all those functions are just different applications of energy, and thus the blaster can in theory be used to do that same things, correct?

But two points:
1) Phasers do not vaporize people. They make them disappear, but do not vaporize. Vaporization is a specific thermodynamic condition and what we observe in no way matches it.
2) If you want to claim variable speed so they always hit in 1 second based on filmography, then I can point out that blaster shts always hit the target in (IIRC) 7 frames. The films are 25 fps, so this is considerably faster.

Phaser shots travel at the speed of light.

If that were true we would not be able to see them propagate. They would just be "there"

Going off for two days maybe less, if i'm lucky. life, it can't wait to bore you to death.

I don't expect a return.

P.S. Noob and newbie killing time. I don't call myself evil shadow for no reason.

No,its because you are yet another person with delusions of badassery.

[General Zod]

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?

What slave? AOTC featured no slaves.

Not that his argument makes much sense either way, but I assume he's referring to the Slave I.

[Isolder74]

When you resort to "act od Q" you are admitting defeat right there.

If only a quasi-godlike being is your only way to win that a massive consession.

[Aratech]

Aww making people mad so amusing.
Do all of you want me to debate your style? Because I can and trust me, you will not like a taste of your own medicine. hmm I know got SW BF, 3 SW books, all the movies.

My 'style' so far has been presenting evidence that craps all over your delusions of Trek superiority. And I say this as a Star Trek fan.

You, meanwhile, have yet to present anything approaching hard evidence to refute my points.

As for the Q.

A Q helped in the civil war on earth. That same Q helped Newton. Later that Q also started the vulcan/Romulan war. Then that Q caused the Q civil war.

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

3: A being that can move planets and moons around (and solar systems) ,create what ever it wants , kill people by thinking about, cause suns to go nova by accident, move through time ,walk around on a star ships hull with no problem, and bring people back to life isn't a godlike being? hmm sure sound like a godlike being to me.

1. Said individual is dead. The Primary Q sees us as little more than toys for his amusement.

2. Expectations, not plans.

3. If one needs to resort to pleading for divine intervention, it is, just that, a deus ex machina, you admit that you're going to lose badly unless you get assitence. Not that it matters, as aside form one now deceased being, the Q have never aided humanity in its times of need.

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?

If you refer to Slave I, it has a pair of 2 kiloton per shot mid level cannons (what was fragmenting and vaporizing asteroids, a pair of tail guns (max yield of 600 gigajoules) a pair of concussion missile racks, with each missile being 192 megatons each. And ten mines, each one at 12.1 gigatons a pop. In other words, Slave I has more firepower in a single mine than the entire Federation fleet at Wolf 359.

SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.

It also features longer range, a comfortable design, and sights, which means that it can be used at something beyond spitting distance.

ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

The phaser is an NDF weapon that has been dodged in mid flight by a 60 year old man, and leaves little more than a blackened mark on metallic object, which, guess what, Imperial soldiers use for gear.

Blasters, meanwhile, tear huge chunks out of walls via brute force vaporization, the kind that, you know, leaves vapor behind. These have yields that vary between 'turn humanoid being into burning corpse' to 'blow torso sized chunks out of ferrocrete' to 'hand held, rapid fire tank cannon.' And those are just pistols and rifles. They're not E-webs, not disruptors (the former of which is capable of spitting out kilotons worth of energy in short order, as it can be used against starfighters, the latter is capable of cremating a human instantly, around 250 megajoules worth of energy) or some of the nastier weapons used by the Clones during the wars.

And lets not even get started on what a Commando squad would be capable of, with their DC-17's, advanced sensors, and armor that requires light artillery to breach.

Phaser shots travel at the speed of light.

Utter tripe, and contradicted by the number of times we see STL movement from their weapons in fleet battles and on the ground.

Movie and episode canon.

Funny, because I can point to Generations and a number of DS9 episodes that say you're very much wrong.

Going off for two days maybe less, if i'm lucky. life, it can't wait to bore you to death.

P.S. Noob and newbie killing time. I don't call myself evil shadow for no reason.

Noob killing? I thought there were laws against suicide.

[Ghost Rider]

Aww making people mad so amusing.
Do all of you want me to debate your style? Because I can and trust me, you will not like a taste of your own medicine. hmm I know got SW BF, 3 SW books, all the movies.

Fine.

As for the Q.

A Q helped in the civil war on earth. That same Q helped Newton. Later that Q also started the vulcan/Romulan war. Then that Q caused the Q civil war.

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

This is why when the Borg and the Dominion came a hair short multiple times of destroying humanity, the Q rescued them from diaster. No, wait...they didn't.

3: A being that can move planets and moons around (and solar systems) ,create what ever it wants , kill people by thinking about, cause suns to go nova by accident, move through time ,walk around on a star ships hull with no problem, and bring people back to life isn't a godlike being? hmm sure sound like a godlike being to me.

Same godlike beings who could not magical stop or transport weapons out of Voyager crewmember's hands.

Some supreme power.

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?
SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

One, stun and kill...you need more from a weapon. Fuck, all you need is kill.

As for your vaped into nothing. You do understand the mechanics behind this feat?

Of course not. If you did...you would not make such a claim.

Phaser shots travel at the speed of light.

Prove it.

Movie and episode canon.

Strange we see then various humans avoid phaser shots.

Going off for two days maybe less, if i'm lucky. life, it can't wait to bore you to death.

Because sparing 10 minutes is so very hard. Stop masturbating to Gates McFadden and prove your shit.

P.S. Noob and newbie killing time. I don't call myself evil shadow for no reason.

Indeed, we'll see what you bring next. If nothing, have fun letting the door swat your virgin ass.

[Darth Servo]

Yawn. He's admitted he is trying to piss people off AFTER whining about us using the word "trektard".

[Ritterin Sophia]

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

No, he states they have great expectations. That is very different from plans.

The thing is, even if he was right and the Q said they had plans for humanity, the Empire has humans too, and I find the Empire more interesting than the one-dimension UFP Humans.

[OmegaGuy]

Wait a minute, I thought that the Slave I had proton torpedoes, not concussion missiles

[General Zod]

Wait a minute, I thought that the Slave I had proton torpedoes, not concussion missiles

It used Seismic Mines in AOTC. Not concussion missiles iirc.

[Aratech]

Wait a minute, I thought that the Slave I had proton torpedoes, not concussion missiles

Nope, ICS calls them concs.

[Darth Servo]

Wait a minute, I thought that the Slave I had proton torpedoes, not concussion missiles

It used Seismic Mines in AOTC. Not concussion missiles iirc.

Slave-1 lobbed two or three Seismic Charges at Obi-Wan first and fired a missle at him later.

[Jericho Kross]

SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

I love how he nip/tucks evidence so the phaser is so vastly superior.
Watch the bloody movies again! Even the first movie shows the destructive force that blasters can achieve, like in death star prison scene as they turn the room into a smoking pile of slag.

[lord Martiya]

A Q helped in the civil war on earth. That same Q helped Newton. Later that Q also started the vulcan/Romulan war. Then that Q caused the Q civil war.

One RENEGADE Q, who were closed in a comet and later killed himself.

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

In the same episode Q tricked Picard in prevent the born of the Mankind, and was never exactly a supporter of the Federation Council. He seemed to se Mankind as a very immature kid who needs some spanking, as a Borg invasion, and NEVER demonstrated interest in the type of governement.

3: A being that can move planets and moons around (and solar systems) ,create what ever it wants , kill people by thinking about, cause suns to go nova by accident, move through time ,walk around on a star ships hull with no problem, and bring people back to life isn't a godlike being? hmm sure sound like a godlike being to me.

Fot me, a godlike being cannot be strapped of his powers against his will or killed, but the main Q was strapped of his powers against his will and nearly killed. And yes, the Q can travel in time, and create what they want (or their powers can only reorganize existing matters and energy, in a more sofisticated version of a replicator?), but they NEVER moved planets, moon and solar systems (only starships and three Borg 'class 4 tactical cube'), bring back people to life (the main Q only moved in the time Newton and that spotlight operator of Woodstock), killed people by thinking about or cause suns to go SUPERnova by accident (not their powers: it was a drawback of their weapons).

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?

In the movies used seismic charges (very heavy weapons), two blaster cannons, two laser cannons that melted asteroids with one shot (and the fighter of Obi-Wan SURVIVED various direct hits) and an AA missile.

SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

The performance of a blaster are these, but you forget their immense power, the ability to stun people without harm and the great ammunition capability of military blasters. A hand phaser NEVER cutted through metal or demonstrated itself a 'line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired', as you said. And their stun setting is potentially letal (in STVI two people were killed with phaser set at stun at point blank).

P.S. Noob and newbie killing time. I don't call myself evil shadow for no reason.

And what's the reason? Joke?

[EnterpriseSovereign]

The only time the Q moved a stellar body was in the same episode where Q was stripped of his powers, "Deja Q" where the Ent-D was attempting to restore the orbit of a moon which would otherwise crash into the planet it orbits. Only after Q has his powers restored does he move the moon back into its correct orbit.

As for this troll, I'm almost certain it's the same guy who signed onto Startrek.com. Though he's under a different name, he's posted in two vs threads using the same so-called style he's using here:

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 49;st=1335

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 536;st=255

[Ritterin Sophia]

SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

That's it people, a blaster can not burn, despite the fact that a blaster injury takes the form of a burn and is canonically called a blaster burn.

[lord Martiya]

The only time the Q moved a stellar body was in the same episode where Q was stripped of his powers, "Deja Q" where the Ent-D was attempting to restore the orbit of a moon which would otherwise crash into the planet it orbits. Only after Q has his powers restored does he move the moon back into its correct orbit.

I didn't know this accident. Oh, well, if there's a perfect person, I cannot be him...

[PeZook]

SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

That's it people, a blaster can not burn, despite the fact that a blaster injury takes the form of a burn and is canonically called a blaster burn.

That's irrelevant. It doesn't matter what a phaser can or cannot do ; What matters is that blasters are ergonomic, easy-to-use weapons with large magazines, and easily capable of killing redshirts at typical ranges (100-200 meters) and blowing through cover. Field shovels are what's used for digging, not weapons.

Take this for example: I will now make an argument saying the US Army should equip their soldiers with swiss army knives instead of M16s. Ready?

The SAK can: cut, saw, open bottles, be used as a screwdriver, make fire, used for sewing, open cans. What can the M16 do? Just shoot! Clearly, the SAK is superior in every way to the M16.

Except not. Because an infantry weapon has to do only do one thing good: kill.

Anyway, it doesn't matter who has the better firearm. The Empire will have total space domination in this war, so the point is moot. If a planet resists, it will be devastated from orbit - the Imperials don't need the population or infrastructure of the Alpha (or any other, for that matter) Quadrant, since they will have to rebuild it from scratch anyway.

[Ritterin Sophia]

-Snip-

Your Sarcasmometer is broken.

[Surlethe]

No, we've seen it before. They have hyperspace spy sats - probes that orbit a world while FLT and continiously monitor and datamine everything electronic on the world. They are really rare because once launched it is damn near impossible to catch it and retrieve the data though - being hard for the enemy to see also means it is hard for your allies to see.

Ah, good call. I'd forgotten about those. Have there been any calcs done to determine centripetal acceleration on such hyperspace probes?

[Surlethe]

Aww making people mad so amusing.
Do all of you want me to debate your style? Because I can and trust me, you will not like a taste of your own medicine. hmm I know got SW BF, 3 SW books, all the movies.

As for the Q.

A Q helped in the civil war on earth. That same Q helped Newton. Later that Q also started the vulcan/Romulan war. Then that Q caused the Q civil war.

Two: the main Q has hinted many times that the Q have plans for the human race. Q hints this the most in TNG's last episode.

3: A being that can move planets and moons around (and solar systems) ,create what ever it wants , kill people by thinking about, cause suns to go nova by accident, move through time ,walk around on a star ships hull with no problem, and bring people back to life isn't a godlike being? hmm sure sound like a godlike being to me.

Now moving on, in SW Episode II the slave has what weapons?
SW blaster rifle: can stun and kill.
ST hand phaser: can stun, burn, kill. A phaser can and has: made rocks burning hot (heat and light), cut through metal, can weld metal, can be set to not blow through a ships hull, Vaped people into nothing, can be fired a long time before running out of charge, and is a line of sight weapon that hits the target a second after being fired.

Phaser shots travel at the speed of light.

Movie and episode canon.


Going off for two days maybe less, if i'm lucky. life, it can't wait to bore you to death.

P.S. Noob and newbie killing time. I don't call myself evil shadow for no reason.

Evil Shadow, would you please construct a real argument instead of dipping, ducking, and weaving to avoid it? I'd really like to see what you have to say.

[chitoryu12]

The only time the Q moved a stellar body was in the same episode where Q was stripped of his powers, "Deja Q" where the Ent-D was attempting to restore the orbit of a moon which would otherwise crash into the planet it orbits. Only after Q has his powers restored does he move the moon back into its correct orbit.

As for this troll, I'm almost certain it's the same guy who signed onto Startrek.com. Though he's under a different name, he's posted in two vs threads using the same so-called style he's using here:

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 49;st=1335

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 536;st=255

I don't think so. Jay has actually managed to do the quotes properly without anyone asking. Shadow has also not resorted to screaming insults related to anyone's wife.