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(name here) · Post by **(name here)** » 2007-09-01 09:49am

And the ISDs would not be scanning with full active scanners why? It's hard to hide when somone is searching for you, but you rarely leave active scanners on, and since i could pick up active sweeps from a fair distance, i could just turn around before getting close enough to be picked up

harbringer · Post by **harbringer** » 2007-09-01 10:26am

The main reason there would be lots of active scanning is : there is a war on in all the time frames we are allowed to use we are facing a galaxy in the midst of armed struggle. This is a bonus for some plans; and for others like yours all I can say is that I wished I had access to a probedroid to record it all including the look on your face as it gets lots of high speed particle tan.

All military shipyards and a large proportion of civilian ones will be guarded by droids ok you can't have a droid army but you can have a droid security system. By the way droids don't sleep and if you tell them to scan, report and engage any unauthorised contacts i'm betting thats what will happen.

What would I choose - probably something able to carry a lot of equipment I'm not a big ST fan so would have to go tire kicking

let me see one of everything (or maybe the one that the superbeing copied when he attacked the enterprise- from the civilisation he wiped out....at least I could kill idiots).

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-09-01 10:39am

Ender wrote:Except in space there is n such thing as stealth.

Both SW and ST have reasonably effective cloaking devices, which exploit invented physics to work. However it is not known whether ST cloaks work vs SW sensors.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2007-09-01 10:56am

(name here) wrote:Yes, there is. Turn off power and you will be very hard to find, because the only way to find you is a good active scan, and even that requires you to be nearby to tell a ship from an asteroid of similar composition.

Unless you then instantly cool to 3 K and survive you can still be seen.

(name here) · Post by **(name here)** » 2007-09-01 11:10am

actually, i'd just have to cool the part of the craft they would be picking up to no hotter than would be expected of an asteroid heading in that direction, which could be pretty warm if I'm going in the direction of the sun. you don't have to look like vacuum, just not like a ship. If this doesn't work, i'll just have to have the ship, which will probably have to be purpose built, and which i will NOT be on myself, either return by a roundabout route or self destruct. then i'll just content myself with building up until a wandering imperial fleet happens to notice and blow us to bits.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-09-01 11:39am

(name here) wrote:actually, i'd just have to cool the part of the craft they would be picking up to no hotter than would be expected of an asteroid heading in that direction, which could be pretty warm if I'm going in the direction of the sun. you don't have to look like vacuum, just not like a ship. If this doesn't work, i'll just have to have the ship, which will probably have to be purpose built, and which i will NOT be on myself, either return by a roundabout route or self destruct. then i'll just content myself with building up until a wandering imperial fleet happens to notice and blow us to bits.

Interesting. You can prove they did this ever in canon. The level of ship control for the Borg.

Also, I love "Build a fleet". Because you are able to procure materials in a way that won't look at all interesting to any parties, I mean if the various criminal cartels...oh wait, no they didn't? Xizor, a man who was able to provide the Empire the raw materials for the DS2 had a fleet of maybe less then a hundred. The Yeventha had a handful of vessels and was in no way ever capable of standing against the New Order on any basis, and in fact only stood against the NR because of inane policies and past twenty years of conflict.

In fact the only power that successfully did this is the CIS, and somehow I don't think you are demonstrating the base intellect to even understand how the fuck to get into that particular arena.

So please continue demonstrating your stupidity, it's fun to watch someone claim that taking a shipyard won't be a problem, and better still make battle worthy vessels that won't draw the notice of military powers......who already have fleets.

Darth Tanner · Post by **Darth Tanner** » 2007-09-01 12:39pm

ArcturusMengsk wrote:They already have weapons just for that purpose.

That leave sufficient radiation poisoning for the troops deployed to the planet afterwards to require special Rad trooper armour and leave the area polluted for some time. The weapon on the Scimitar magically doesn't leave the area polluted as shown by the fact the Romulan senate hall was in use after being bombed. The only clean up that appears to be required is carrying the crumbled statues out.

i could just turn around before getting close enough to be picked up

And then what? If imperial ships are searching for you they are faster. Going to warp immediately puts up a 'I'm here' sign and even then the imps are faster. Also isn't SW sensor tech so much better than ST in terms of range that your not going to be able to simply hide from them. By the time you see them their going to have seen you for the last few hours.

i will have the drones deployed by stealth ship instead of by cube. I may have to build a stealth ship, but I'm not stupid enough to fight anything better than a tie fighter without SW tech. If armored units are deployed on the shipyard, I am screwed

And this shipyard is just there in the middle of no where with no escorts or defences? How are Borg drones going to board a station where there are likely hundreds or thousands of personnel with access to non frequency based weapons.

actually, i'd just have to cool the part of the craft they would be picking up to no hotter than would be expected of an asteroid heading in that direction, which could be pretty warm if I'm going in the direction of the sun

So your going to be constantly traveling at speeds typical for an asteroid in case a SW vessel is watching? At some point your going to have to turn on the warp drive and start steering.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-09-01 02:30pm

I would take the specs for replicators, transporters and holodecks and go to the most reputable patent office I can find and try to make my fortune that way. Or try to sell the designs to the Emperor and hope that he is impressed enough to give me a small fortune that would last my life, which would be a drop in the ocean for him, and not kill me.

I would also take the phaser design and sell it to peaceful type planets for light police duty.

I would use the dough to either buy myself a new ship or upgrade my Defiant class as I like the design. Perhaps if my above plans worked, I would just have a ship built that looks like the Defiant, but with complete SW tech.

If that all works, I would just travel the Galaxy seeing the sites.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-09-01 08:51pm

Im still wondering who all is coming... I have always felt there should be a cutoff in terms of posts.. Theres over 4000 registerwed users, but only 1000 have posts over 150.

If we went with that, that we had just 1000 people with us, we at least would be cutting away much of the dead weight on the bored to begin with. Also 1000 gives us a nice round number to break down into the types of ships we need.

I think it once agin needs to be stated that we should stop ANY delusions of building ANY sort of space empeir. There should be NO covert acts against the Empeir or ANYone else. If you want tech or information, trade or buy it.

Anyone attempting to steal something should be punished and towed away. Again, I think the Borg cubes and Voth City SHips are the perfect thing to Enforce this rule.

Another thing is we should adopt a "Stay the Fuck away From Imperials" policy. Face it, 90% of the ships we choose will be toys to all but the smallest of star Wars ships. The only way we will have any sort of real "power" is by staying in areas of space where most StarWars ships simply wont be.

Since we are going in between ANH and ESB, it means the Imperial Navy is still nice, strong, powerful,m and ready to kick the ass of ANY one out to make a name for themselves.

The idea that any of us could just go out and get Military grade weapons, let alone a whole warship is ludicros right now at the start. At the Most we could purchase some clunkers and old transports just to give us a Start in assimilating Starts Wars tech.

The highest priority we should have is in being able to produce our own Hyperdrive as well as replicating a Hypermater reactor. These alone will consume most of our resources till we can get an industrial base up and running.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2007-09-02 10:20pm

(name here) wrote:And the ISDs would not be scanning with full active scanners why? It's hard to hide when somone is searching for you, but you rarely leave active scanners on, and since i could pick up active sweeps from a fair distance, i could just turn around before getting close enough to be picked up

So, did you fail grade school science or are you just trolling? Telescopes are as fucking passive as they come dipshit. And the angular resolution available to telescopes here is simply insane. Care to ponder the baseline of this?

(name here) wrote:actually, i'd just have to cool the part of the craft they would be picking up to no hotter than would be expected of an asteroid heading in that direction, which could be pretty warm if I'm going in the direction of the sun.

Yeah, about 200 K. That's still about -100 F. Have fun with tthe whole all the biological material on my drones is destroyed due to the ice crystals destroying the cells. But if you think a society with extensive orbital infrastructure will not have cleared out any possible colliders and will constantly be hunting for them then you really haven't given this any thought.

you don't have to look like vacuum, just not like a ship. If this doesn't work, i'll just have to have the ship, which will probably have to be purpose built, and which i will NOT be on myself, either return by a roundabout route or self destruct. then i'll just content myself with building up until a wandering imperial fleet happens to notice and blow us to bits.

Truely you are a stupid bastard.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2007-09-02 10:33pm

Starglider wrote:
Ender wrote:Except in space there is n such thing as stealth.
Both SW and ST have reasonably effective cloaking devices, which exploit invented physics to work. However it is not known whether ST cloaks work vs SW sensors.

Yes, but in both cases, waste heat is a dead give away. It's how they beat the cloak in ST 6, and a cloaked ship in SW can't do anything but drift (though if it does go under power it works more like a stealth coating - makes it harder to pick up, but not impossible.).

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-09-02 11:04pm

Ender wrote:Yes, but in both cases, waste heat is a dead give away. It's how they beat the cloak in ST 6,

That's total bullshit. The cloak was defeated in ST6 by detecting the reaction drive exhaust. They go on and on about it being gas they're detecting, not infrared radiation. On no other occasion in Trek has waste heat or for that matter impulse exhaust been used to detect cloaked ships - didn't work on the original romulan warbird, didn't work in TNG, didn't work in DS9, didn't work at point blank range vs the Scimitar.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2007-09-03 12:37am

My plan is simple.

Ship: Klingon Bird-of-Prey
Location: Y'toub system (Nal Hutta/Nar Shaddaa), at just about any time period.
The Plan:
1. Get all the controls transferred to the Captain's chair (possible considering the typical Trek ship design).
2. Give the rest of the crew the idea that we are going on shore leave, and when they aren't in a position to try to kill me, turn around and sell them all to minor Hutts with more money than muscle or galactic influence.
3. Use the profits to upgrade the shit out of the ship, selling all the replaced parts for scrap.
4. Fly away, and probably try to get at least a semi-legit job somewhere.

Darth Tanner · Post by **Darth Tanner** » 2007-09-03 04:56am

Klingon Bird-of-Prey

A BoP only has 12 crew. Thats not that much money for buying hardware.

Use the profits to upgrade the shit out of the ship, selling all the replaced parts for scrap.

Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a new ship? None of the existing systems are going to be compatale with anything new and your going to need a new reactor if you install any proper engines or weapons.

cloaked ship in SW can't do anything but drift

Is this true? The Star Destroyers in Hand of Thrawn Duology could fire their weapons at will and use their hyperdrive engines. Presumably they werent giving themselves away while doing so. Although technically I suppose you can quite easily see where the turbolaser blasts are coming from.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-09-03 06:37am

I tel lyou, I am at least Trying to organiz this thing... Its why so may of these type of "RAR"s goto pot, no one ever follows a plan

The_Saint · Post by **The_Saint** » 2007-09-03 08:17am

If the Hoth base exists at this point then I'll take placement there, preferably inside out of the cold (hang the ship, Trek one's probably won't be worth jack here). Sell my foreknowledge of the Imperial probe droids to the Rebels, bum a lift on the next transport out, find a simple job somewhere that's within my skill set... farming on a backwater planet is, piloting an x-wing (and by extension anything 'Trek') isn't.

If Hoth is off limits for any reason (ie it hasn't been set up yet or already under bombardment) then same idea as previous except I won't have anything I gained from bargaining my ESB knowledge.

Darth Tanner · Post by **Darth Tanner** » 2007-09-03 09:40am

Sell my foreknowledge of the Imperial probe droids to the Rebels, bum a lift on the next transport out

Having discovered their secret base why are they going to let you go? Selling out the information on the probe droid seems a great way to say your an imperial agent to me how else are the Rebels going to think you knew about it? I think the Rebels would just shoot you.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2007-09-03 10:20am

Darth Tanner wrote:
Klingon Bird-of-Prey
A BoP only has 12 crew. Thats not that much money for buying hardware.

Use the profits to upgrade the shit out of the ship, selling all the replaced parts for scrap.
Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a new ship? None of the existing systems are going to be compatale with anything new and your going to need a new reactor if you install any proper engines or weapons.

Yeah, but considering the OP, I thought it would be cheating to ditch the ship and get a new one. And I suppose if I really wanted to maximize the amount of money, I would have to find a time period where ship parts are cheap but muscle is at a premium.

Also, I chose BoP because I don't like the look of Federation ships. A BoP at least has a design that wouldn't stand out, since it has some visual similarities to a scaled-up fighter or a Marauder Corvette.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2007-09-05 02:02pm

I'm surprised that no one has said "Federation Timeship." I was thinking about that one myself, but time travel in any universe tends to scramble my brain...and that's from the viewpoint of an outside observer.

I'm also not versed in the history of the SW universe; If I had a timeship I'd probably end up creating some kind of paradox that makes the entire universe implode or something.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-09-05 02:05pm

Mario1470 wrote:I'm also not versed in the history of the SW universe; If I had a timeship I'd probably end up creating some kind of paradox that makes the entire universe implode or something.

Or have it go terribly, terribly awry, crash on an uninhabited planet, and make up a society on a world that thousands of years later would be called Coruscant.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-09-05 02:59pm

Mario1470 wrote:I'm surprised that no one has said "Federation Timeship." I was thinking about that one myself, but time travel in any universe tends to scramble my brain...and that's from the viewpoint of an outside observer.

I'm also not versed in the history of the SW universe; If I had a timeship I'd probably end up creating some kind of paradox that makes the entire universe implode or something.

Or we read the OP and saw that the time ship wasn't allowed. Just sayin'.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2007-09-05 03:05pm

[Jeff Foxworthy]

havokeff wrote: Here's your sign.

[/JF]

Takes sign and hangs head in shame.

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-09-05 03:36pm

havokeff wrote:Or we read the OP and saw that the time ship wasn't allowed. Just sayin'.

Yes, otherwise I would've gone with the Wells class, which has the side benefit of being the second coolest looking Trek ship ever;

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-09-05 03:48pm

Starglider wrote:
havokeff wrote:Or we read the OP and saw that the time ship wasn't allowed. Just sayin'.
Yes, otherwise I would've gone with the Wells class, which has the side benefit of being the second coolest looking Trek ship ever;

[img]*snip%20Romulan/Ferengi/Starfleet%20looking%20ship*[/img]

And the best looking is?

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-09-05 04:01pm

havokeff wrote:And the best looking is?

The Yamato class Federation battleship. I don't care if it's not canon damnit.

Third place goes to the Romulan Killerhawk class, also from 'Star Fleet Command':

As for actual canon ships, the Miranda class isn't exactly beautiful but it is the most practical looking Federation class. The Romulan D'deridex is an interesting design, but even less practical looking than the Galaxy class.