ST vs. SW

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-09-01 10:41am

Didn't Q say that he was teaching his son to knock planets out of their orbits?

harbringer · Post by **harbringer** » 2007-09-01 11:01am

Q also said that the federation was nothing more than barbarous and needed anihilation to save the rest of the galaxy from it. Q says a lot of things and is known on something like 100 planets mostly as the god of lies (from the episode where he brings that woman back that he took on a jaunt through the galaxy).

I wouldnt rely on Q any Q.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-01 11:03am

To be honest, in any Empire vs Federation war, the Empire has just as much chance of counting on Q's assistance as the Federation does.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-09-01 01:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:To be honest, in any Empire vs Federation war, the Empire has just as much chance of counting on Q's assistance as the Federation does.

I'd argue for a better chance. It's fairly well known that Q beleives the Feddies to be too complacent and in need of a good kick in the pants.

Well, I would think an Imperial officer's size thirteen boot would probably be exactly what he was looking for.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2007-09-01 01:37pm

evil shadow's "arguments" are neither interesting nor unique. It seems like he visited Dorkstar's page, spent 50 minutes reading STvSW in 5 Minutes (and didn't understand it), and then came here spewing his verbal diarrhea.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-09-01 02:00pm

Darth Wong wrote:To be honest, in any Empire vs Federation war, the Empire has just as much chance of counting on Q's assistance as the Federation does.

He does seem to have a weird affinity towards Starfleet Captains and their morality though.

I'm not sure how well he would recieve a personality such as Tarkin or Vader.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-01 02:20pm

havokeff wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:To be honest, in any Empire vs Federation war, the Empire has just as much chance of counting on Q's assistance as the Federation does.
He does seem to have a weird affinity towards Starfleet Captains and their morality though.

Yeah, he has a weird fascination with seeing them put to a severe test. They're more like beloved lab rats than friends to him. He'd probably very much enjoy the idea of them being forced to join the Empire or be subservient to it.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-09-01 02:22pm

As for people invoking Q for this, I think he's nearly irrelevant. He's the type that would watch and giggle as the whole galaxy is set ablaze.

There are no incidents that I can recall (evidence to the contrary welcome) where Q intervened through the kindness of his heart to save the Federation, or even just the Enterprise, really.

I suppose how he snapped his fingers and had the Enterprise fly far, far away from the first Borg cube they encountered, but then again, he did bring them there in the first place.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-01 02:38pm

I'm starting to wonder if we should split most of this thread, because almost all of the discussion is just us sitting around ruminating on what this person might say if he could be bothered to make a real argument.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-09-01 03:23pm

rhoenix wrote:As for people invoking Q for this, I think he's nearly irrelevant. He's the type that would watch and giggle as the whole galaxy is set ablaze.

There are no incidents that I can recall (evidence to the contrary welcome) where Q intervened through the kindness of his heart to save the Federation, or even just the Enterprise, really.

I suppose how he snapped his fingers and had the Enterprise fly far, far away from the first Borg cube they encountered, but then again, he did bring them there in the first place.

There was the one time when The Continuim made Q human. On that occasion he had the heart to save the Enterprise, but his moral compass had been drastically changed by being mortal and subject to human emotions.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-09-01 03:44pm

havokeff wrote: There was the one time when The Continuim made Q human. On that occasion he had the heart to save the Enterprise, but his moral compass had been drastically changed by being mortal and subject to human emotions.

I don't think it got drastically changed as much as he realized if he fucks up again then he'll get stripped of power.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-09-01 03:58pm

chitoryu12 wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:The only time the Q moved a stellar body was in the same episode where Q was stripped of his powers, "Deja Q" where the Ent-D was attempting to restore the orbit of a moon which would otherwise crash into the planet it orbits. Only after Q has his powers restored does he move the moon back into its correct orbit.

As for this troll, I'm almost certain it's the same guy who signed onto Startrek.com. Though he's under a different name, he's posted in two vs threads using the same so-called style he's using here:

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 49;st=1335

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 536;st=255
I don't think so. Jay has actually managed to do the quotes properly without anyone asking. Shadow has also not resorted to screaming insults related to anyone's wife.

I was actually thinking of SSFPhoenix, he's posted almost the exact same thing with regard to weapon ranges in ST vs those in SW (refuted of course), and it looks like he signed up for ST.com the same time as he showed up here

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-09-01 05:00pm

General Zod wrote:
havokeff wrote: There was the one time when The Continuim made Q human. On that occasion he had the heart to save the Enterprise, but his moral compass had been drastically changed by being mortal and subject to human emotions.
I don't think it got drastically changed as much as he realized if he fucks up again then he'll get stripped of power.

He was already striped of his power. It wasn't until he made the self sacrafice, which he didn't even realize that he had, of leaving in the shuttle to save the D crew that Corbin "Q" Bernson came and restored his power. If IIRC the Qs didn't think he had it in him and had basically written him off.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-09-01 05:41pm

Probably Q thinked that he'll die in every case, and self-sacrificed himself only to die in a blaze of glory. And the other Q didn't understand it...

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-09-01 09:34pm

chitoryu12 wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:The only time the Q moved a stellar body was in the same episode where Q was stripped of his powers, "Deja Q" where the Ent-D was attempting to restore the orbit of a moon which would otherwise crash into the planet it orbits. Only after Q has his powers restored does he move the moon back into its correct orbit.

As for this troll, I'm almost certain it's the same guy who signed onto Startrek.com. Though he's under a different name, he's posted in two vs threads using the same so-called style he's using here:

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 49;st=1335

http://boards.startrek.com/community/me ... 536;st=255
I don't think so. Jay has actually managed to do the quotes properly without anyone asking. Shadow has also not resorted to screaming insults related to anyone's wife.

After reading what I could of that thread, I feel sorry for Servo, having to put up with that idiocy. Should I register there and attempt to help smack Jay down? The guy makes Ryan over at SB look like a bastion of well thought out points.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-01 11:08pm

Aratech wrote:After reading what I could of that thread, I feel sorry for Servo, having to put up with that idiocy. Should I register there and attempt to help smack Jay down? The guy makes Ryan over at SB look like a bastion of well thought out points.

Don't bother. Jay has his head stuck so far up his ass any smackdown you give him won't do anything.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-09-02 12:10am

After reading what I could of that thread, I feel sorry for Servo, having to put up with that idiocy. Should I register there and attempt to help smack Jay down? The guy makes Ryan over at SB look like a bastion of well thought out points.

Dude, Jay has 99% of everyone in the thread against him, yet when a newbie wandered in and asked what was happening he said that the Warsies "Were against the ropes with a broken nose and both eyes swollen shut".

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-09-02 12:50am

chitoryu12 wrote: Dude, Jay has 99% of everyone in the thread against him, yet when a newbie wandered in and asked what was happening he said that the Warsies "Were against the ropes with a broken nose and both eyes swollen shut".

I haven't managed to comb through all ninety odd pages of crap yet, but when next he responds, can someone pass this message: what is he smoking, and where might I acquire some.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-09-02 12:56am

Aratech wrote:
chitoryu12 wrote: Dude, Jay has 99% of everyone in the thread against him, yet when a newbie wandered in and asked what was happening he said that the Warsies "Were against the ropes with a broken nose and both eyes swollen shut".

I haven't managed to comb through all ninety odd pages of crap yet, but when next he responds, can someone pass this message: what is he smoking, and where might I acquire some.

Believe me, he's hopeless. Every insult you use is turned on you to show that the Warsies are "pathetic flamers like Jared Servo". The only reason I'm still participating in that thread is because I think he's funny.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-09-02 01:05am

chitoryu12 wrote:
Aratech wrote:
chitoryu12 wrote: Dude, Jay has 99% of everyone in the thread against him, yet when a newbie wandered in and asked what was happening he said that the Warsies "Were against the ropes with a broken nose and both eyes swollen shut".

I haven't managed to comb through all ninety odd pages of crap yet, but when next he responds, can someone pass this message: what is he smoking, and where might I acquire some.
Believe me, he's hopeless. Every insult you use is turned on you to show that the Warsies are "pathetic flamers like Jared Servo". The only reason I'm still participating in that thread is because I think he's funny.

Well, I just signed on, so I'll see if I can help.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-09-02 01:20am

Isn't that a hasty generalization fallacy? Because Q is known to lie about some things, you categorically dismiss anything he says?

Anyway Q wasn't really helping the Enterprise out of compassion in Q Who, he would have let them die if Picard hadn't admitted that he needed Q's help.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-09-02 04:30am

Aratech wrote:
chitoryu12 wrote:
Aratech wrote:

I haven't managed to comb through all ninety odd pages of crap yet, but when next he responds, can someone pass this message: what is he smoking, and where might I acquire some.
Believe me, he's hopeless. Every insult you use is turned on you to show that the Warsies are "pathetic flamers like Jared Servo". The only reason I'm still participating in that thread is because I think he's funny.
Well, I just signed on, so I'll see if I can help.

I'm guessing you must be "TheInquisition"

If you don't feel like going through 90-odd pages of that, you might want to check this out: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=110302, which was started precisely because of all the stupid stuff that Jay's been coming out with. The only difference between how he used to argue say, a year ago and now is that he knows some of the Star Wars EU to try and help his case

harbringer · Post by **harbringer** » 2007-09-02 06:41am

Isn't that a hasty generalization fallacy? Because Q is known to lie about some things, you categorically dismiss anything he says?

I sleep with jessica alba every night - you can't prove I don't so it must be true right? no there must be evidence and unfortunately there is no evidence for MOTIVATION, just what he did.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-09-02 06:57am

Q in the end of his jokes always said the truth. Q isn't Mudd!

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-09-02 07:12am

So whenever there's dialogue that says something happened, it's considered false by default unless there's direct confirmation it happened?