Okay, so in a couple of months I'm going to a permanant duty station and I've been wanting to start a new 40k army.
I'm an old I.G. player, I need new army and I looked at Space Marines due to the avaliblity, cost and low numbers. As someone who is big of Army fluff I tried writing up a history for my chapter. I started with idea of making them akin to Knights, with with honor and whatnot, real good guys. But it became increasingly difficult to write my marines as "good guys" and stay in-line with current 40k fluff.
I started hearing a new call for my army. The call of Chaos.
So here is my idea. A Chaos Space Marine army that are followers Khorne, but they are more in-line with a lot of the old school aspects of Khorne-martial honor, duty, loyalty to a cause.
The basic (tentative) background is such: A company of Blood Angels is on a campaign. While fighting against the enemies of the IoM in a combined force under the control of an Inquisitor the Company Commander is given the order by the Inquisitor to wipe out a large amount of IG who have finished fighting an extended campaign against Chaos inside of Chaos territory because of possible taint.
The Company Commander refuses and the Inquisitor has local IG forces show their muscle, and then they open fire (possibly due to an over twitchy IG gunner), the Company Commander and bodyguards fight the Inquisitor and local IG. The Company Commander goes into a frenzy and the Red Thirst overtakes him as he kills the Inquisitor and drinks his blood.
When he recovers, the Company Commander realizes how close the Black Rage is to overtaking him and that he went nuts and killed a lot of IG.
He goes a an abandoned IoM temple in part of an old battlefield to pray to the Emperor. A deamon of Khorne answers and offers him a way to control the Black Rage- become a warrior of Khorne and the Chaos powers will remove the Curse.
The Company Commander, a man who has long seen the problems of the IoM and with the weight of the Curse, accepts and becomes a champion of Chaos, to fight the insanity and evil that exists in the IoM.
Meanwhile his Marines have been fighting the IG, who have a huge numbers advantage, with armor support as well. The Company Commander returns and, with deamonic power, kills a large number of the armor units to allow the encircled Marines to escape to the spaceport, but his Marines choose to follow him instead and so they become a Chaos Chapter.
The Red Saints begin.
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So background good?
Does it fit with current 40k/Blood Angel fluff?
The chapter name any good?
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You're in luck. The new chaos space marine book is all about renegades like this. It looks pretty cool.
You're probably best to make it a 'warband' though. For a start, an entire company of Blood Angels isn't very likely to defect, and some of them remaining loyal and switching sides would be better. And if it is chapter strength, it'd probably have maybe 40-60 Blood Angels in it, and be bulked up with other renegades.
Quite a neat name, too.
You're probably best to make it a 'warband' though. For a start, an entire company of Blood Angels isn't very likely to defect, and some of them remaining loyal and switching sides would be better. And if it is chapter strength, it'd probably have maybe 40-60 Blood Angels in it, and be bulked up with other renegades.
Quite a neat name, too.
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Background, good,
Fluffiness: Well, except for the "an entire company defects just because the commander does" part. You might want to work on that.
Name is great =)
Fluffiness: Well, except for the "an entire company defects just because the commander does" part. You might want to work on that.
Name is great =)
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From a modeling perspective, cool.
From a fluff perspective, ugh.
1) Of all the chapters the Blood Angels and successors are some of the most loyal. Remember that the black rage is literally them experiencing the death of Sanguinius at the hands of Horus again and again and again. When your father is killed by his brother and best friend because of chaos, about the last thing you are going to consciously do it join chaos.
2) He is going to lose his command staff if he turns to Khorne. The Librarium won't follow him because they know what the World Eaters did to their Librarians. The Chaplains won't follow him because of the above reason. The medicae won't join because they are rather anethema to the Khornate ideal. The techmarines won't join because Khorne is not that big of a fan of fancy gadgets and the techmarines will side with the bigger side of the command squad, because they have such split allegiance between the chapter and Mars.
3)As a successor chapter of one of the legions of the Siege of Terra, they have a huge amount of weight to throw around against inquisitorial orders. The Astartes are not bound to the Inquisition and are allowed to pursue their conscience when given requests by them. Only a truly suicidal inquisitor is going to attack a Blood Angels successor chapter, both because of the combat ability of the Angels, and because they have way to many strings they can pull. The Custodes like them, and through that, they have the direct say of the Emperor at their disposal if they need it. They are heroes to the Lords of Terra, and if you really piss them off, they can call in a favor and get the inquisitor stuck in an excruciator for the next hundred years. No one short of an Inquisitor Lord is going to risk going against the Blood Angels, not after they where cleared of being tainted in the IIRC 33M.
If you can find ways around these three problems (shouldn't be hard actually) then your fluff will work out much better.
Have them as renegades who Khorne is somewhat secretly (Khorne no like secrets!) helping along. Fixes half the problems right their.
From a fluff perspective, ugh.
1) Of all the chapters the Blood Angels and successors are some of the most loyal. Remember that the black rage is literally them experiencing the death of Sanguinius at the hands of Horus again and again and again. When your father is killed by his brother and best friend because of chaos, about the last thing you are going to consciously do it join chaos.
2) He is going to lose his command staff if he turns to Khorne. The Librarium won't follow him because they know what the World Eaters did to their Librarians. The Chaplains won't follow him because of the above reason. The medicae won't join because they are rather anethema to the Khornate ideal. The techmarines won't join because Khorne is not that big of a fan of fancy gadgets and the techmarines will side with the bigger side of the command squad, because they have such split allegiance between the chapter and Mars.
3)As a successor chapter of one of the legions of the Siege of Terra, they have a huge amount of weight to throw around against inquisitorial orders. The Astartes are not bound to the Inquisition and are allowed to pursue their conscience when given requests by them. Only a truly suicidal inquisitor is going to attack a Blood Angels successor chapter, both because of the combat ability of the Angels, and because they have way to many strings they can pull. The Custodes like them, and through that, they have the direct say of the Emperor at their disposal if they need it. They are heroes to the Lords of Terra, and if you really piss them off, they can call in a favor and get the inquisitor stuck in an excruciator for the next hundred years. No one short of an Inquisitor Lord is going to risk going against the Blood Angels, not after they where cleared of being tainted in the IIRC 33M.
If you can find ways around these three problems (shouldn't be hard actually) then your fluff will work out much better.
Have them as renegades who Khorne is somewhat secretly (Khorne no like secrets!) helping along. Fixes half the problems right their.
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That isn't so cut and dried, the World Eater apothecarion turned to chaos, they actually have a rather famous Apothecary,kinda like Fabius Bile, but less notorious outside of the medical circles.The medicae won't join because they are rather anethema to the Khornate ideal
I think the most difficult issue with a large number of renegade Blood Angels is getting hunted down by the rest of the chapter almost imediately.
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Sounds okay, although I think "Blood Saints" might be a better name for the chapter.
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They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Okay, slight updates.
Re-naming the Chapter 'Blood Saints' with the motto "Do Unto Others."
Captain Antonius Black is the Leader. (Name is a reference to 'The Seventh Seal')
The Daemon has been following him for years, whispering to him. The Captain also carries a lot of guilt for obeying orders to kill civilians in past campaigns.
I am on the fence on weather or not to make the Daemon Khorne or some off-shoot daemon that acts like old-school Khorne and is trying to overthrow Khorne as the Chaos god of war. Possible names is Karne.
The when the Captain refuses the Inquisitor, it is not in person and he kills the IG forces used by the Inquisitor to strongarm him, later after accepting the Daemon he ends up killing the Inquisitor in a suitably epic duel.
Colors are red with black trim. Left shoulders have a large bare metal spot where the Blood Angels symbol has flaked/been scraped away.
None of the Berzerkers wear helmets. They carry stick grenades along with chainswords and bolt pistols.
Re-naming the Chapter 'Blood Saints' with the motto "Do Unto Others."
Captain Antonius Black is the Leader. (Name is a reference to 'The Seventh Seal')
The Daemon has been following him for years, whispering to him. The Captain also carries a lot of guilt for obeying orders to kill civilians in past campaigns.
I am on the fence on weather or not to make the Daemon Khorne or some off-shoot daemon that acts like old-school Khorne and is trying to overthrow Khorne as the Chaos god of war. Possible names is Karne.
The when the Captain refuses the Inquisitor, it is not in person and he kills the IG forces used by the Inquisitor to strongarm him, later after accepting the Daemon he ends up killing the Inquisitor in a suitably epic duel.
Colors are red with black trim. Left shoulders have a large bare metal spot where the Blood Angels symbol has flaked/been scraped away.
None of the Berzerkers wear helmets. They carry stick grenades along with chainswords and bolt pistols.
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This will result in many, many, many confused responses to it regarding why this daemon isn't advocating killing everything with blood in it.Pulp Hero wrote:Possible names is Karne.
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Another good idea, I won't write it in as part of the origin story, but that angle can always be introduced later to really be a head fuck.Azazal wrote:Hmm if you really wan to do a mind trippy, have your deamon be a Tzeetching deamon prince that has convinced the commander to submit to a khorne like god that stands for martial pride, skill, etc..
BTW, are there minor daemons spawned from the Four major gods with their own agendas in 40k, or are they all loyal to the god that spawned them?
Also are there other warp daemons with enough power to be the patron of an army like this?
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A better name for the rival Chaos god, to avoid confusion, would be Tiwaz, after the German god of war. (See here.)Pulp Hero wrote:I am on the fence on weather or not to make the Daemon Khorne or some off-shoot daemon that acts like old-school Khorne and is trying to overthrow Khorne as the Chaos god of war. Possible names is Karne.
Please do not make Americans fight giant monsters.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Glad you liked it.Pulp Hero wrote:Another good idea, I won't write it in as part of the origin story, but that angle can always be introduced later to really be a head fuck.Azazal wrote:Hmm if you really wan to do a mind trippy, have your deamon be a Tzeetching deamon prince that has convinced the commander to submit to a khorne like god that stands for martial pride, skill, etc..
BTW, are there minor daemons spawned from the Four major gods with their own agendas in 40k, or are they all loyal to the god that spawned them?
Also are there other warp daemons with enough power to be the patron of an army like this?
From my understadinging, deamon are 100% loyal to their creator god. However, back in old school chaos, indepenent deamons, while rare, did exist. They were not as powerful as a full fledge choas god, but they could have followers, and in some cases create minor deamons of their own. I belive it was in The Lost and the Damned that a few pages were given over on how to make your own chaos deamon and how to play their followers on the tabletop, would need to check on that though for accuracy.
