ST vs. SW

[chitoryu12]

and have rapid fire anti-fighter laser cannons for small ships just like Amidala's.

Actually, the Trade Federation battleship only has 42 quad turbolaser turrets. However, none of the shots looked like direct hits. It looked more like they glanced off the shields and hull.

[Peptuck]

and have rapid fire anti-fighter laser cannons for small ships just like Amidala's.

Actually, the Trade Federation battleship only has 42 quad turbolaser turrets. However, none of the shots looked like direct hits. It looked more like they glanced off the shields and hull.

Ah. Whoops

[Starglider]

Another Trekkie I had an argument with said that turbolasers couldn't have gigaton yields because R2 got hit in TPM during the escape from Naboo.

R2 got hit? I only recall seeing other droids getting blown off by bolts that could've been TLs or laser cannons. In that case they almost certainly dumped a tiny fraction of their energy into the droid in question and then kept going, just like a cannonball is only going to transfer a tiny fraction of its energy into a sheet of paper it punches through.

[Noble Ire]

Another Trekkie I had an argument with said that turbolasers couldn't have gigaton yields because R2 got hit in TPM during the escape from Naboo.

R2 got hit? I only recall seeing other droids getting blown off by bolts that could've been TLs or laser cannons. In that case they almost certainly dumped a tiny fraction of their energy into the droid in question and then kept going, just like a cannonball is only going to transfer a tiny fraction of its energy into a sheet of paper it punches through.

There's also the fact that the blockading vessels were merely trying to prevent Amidala's ship from escaping, not attempting to destroy it outright. If the Trade Federation gunners were actually targeting the astromechs in an attempt to keep the vessel's hyperdrive disabled, it would make sense to dial down the power of even light guns. There's no point in tossing about starship or warship-killing firepower when one is trying to flick off trash bin-sized droids from a ship's hull without actually damaging it seriously.

[DogsOfWar]

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There's also the fact that the blockading vessels were merely trying to prevent Amidala's ship from escaping, not attempting to destroy it outright. If the Trade Federation gunners were actually targeting the astromechs in an attempt to keep the vessel's hyperdrive disabled, it would make sense to dial down the power of even light guns. There's no point in tossing about starship or warship-killing firepower when one is trying to flick off trash bin-sized droids from a ship's hull without actually damaging it seriously.

I was about to say that the Trade Feds couldn't possibly be aiming for and actually hitting the droids with turbolasers, but then I realized I couldn't remember the Queen's pilot doing any sort of evasive maneuvers (possibly because it would toss the droids off the hull). So that could easily be what they were trying to do.

[Darth Wong]

Another Trekkie I had an argument with said that turbolasers couldn't have gigaton yields because R2 got hit in TPM during the escape from Naboo.

R2 got hit? I only recall seeing other droids getting blown off by bolts that could've been TLs or laser cannons. In that case they almost certainly dumped a tiny fraction of their energy into the droid in question and then kept going, just like a cannonball is only going to transfer a tiny fraction of its energy into a sheet of paper it punches through.

You have to love the logic of anyone who looks at incidents of weapons doing tremendous damage and concludes "but they can't do that because other weapons did less damage in other situations!"

[Peptuck]

Another Trekkie I had an argument with said that turbolasers couldn't have gigaton yields because R2 got hit in TPM during the escape from Naboo.

R2 got hit? I only recall seeing other droids getting blown off by bolts that could've been TLs or laser cannons. In that case they almost certainly dumped a tiny fraction of their energy into the droid in question and then kept going, just like a cannonball is only going to transfer a tiny fraction of its energy into a sheet of paper it punches through.

You have to love the logic of anyone who looks at incidents of weapons doing tremendous damage and concludes "but they can't do that because other weapons did less damage in other situations!"

I know. I was considering replying with something similar, but when I brought up material from SSD.net, he dismissed it as a site that was "based on conjecture" and had "poor research." I promptly withdrew from the debate, because it was clear I wasn't dealing with someone who respected science.

But that pales in comparison to a Trekkie who claimed the Death Star would actually be easier to destroy than the Pegasus asteroid. His apparent reasoning was that the Death Star was made of metal, which burns, unlike rock...and then he cited that aluminum burns as proof that the Death Star is weaker than the atseroid.

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Mike....how can you put up with this stupidity without it affecting your sanity? XD

[PeZook]

But that pales in comparison to a Trekkie who claimed the Death Star would actually be easier to destroy than the Pegasus asteroid. His apparent reasoning was that the Death Star was made of metal, which burns, unlike rock...and then he cited that aluminum burns as proof that the Death Star is weaker than the atseroid.

So I guess we should make tanks out of rocks, then. After all, metal burns.

Wow! Now I know why Russkies never marched West! Their tanks were made of steel, which is a metal, so it burns! So NATO could easily destroy them with napalm! Pure genius!

[Darth Ruinus]

from SSD.net

Theres a site called superstardestroyer.net? I like the name...

I once met someone who said that SW was so primitive that they simplyl "thought" they had the whole galaxy under their control, and where probably smaller than a sector in reality.

[Peptuck]

D:

The power of the typo side is strong tonight.

[Darth Ruinus]

D:

The power of the typo side is strong tonight.

You know it, look at how I spelled "simply"

[Darth Wong]

I love the way high-school kiddies think they can determine whether a site does "poor research" when they wouldn't know research if it reared up and bit them in the ass.

[PeZook]

from SSD.net

Theres a site called superstardestroyer.net? I like the name...

I once met someone who said that SW was so primitive that they simplyl "thought" they had the whole galaxy under their control, and where probably smaller than a sector in reality.

Have they explained how a civilization so primitive they don't know what "galaxy" means are able to build mile-long starships with FTL drives?

Because, ya know, we could tell if we had colonies throughout the galaxy or just a small part of it, and we still haven't moved past the "our starships occasionally fall apart by themselves" part of space exploration.

[Darth Ruinus]

Have they explained how a civilization so primitive they don't know what "galaxy" means are able to build mile-long starships with FTL drives?

According to them, its because SW is so primitive that they havent discovered phaser technology...

Seriously, you guys have been in this debate (that should be over by now) way longer than I have, I cant even fathom the idea of how you guys didnt have your brains melted by the shit some Trekkies bring up sometimes...

[Darth Wong]

Have they explained how a civilization so primitive they don't know what "galaxy" means are able to build mile-long starships with FTL drives?

According to them, its because SW is so primitive that they havent discovered phaser technology...

Seriously, you guys have been in this debate (that should be over by now) way longer than I have, I cant even fathom the idea of how you guys didnt have your brains melted by the shit some Trekkies bring up sometimes...

Dude, I deal with creationists.

[PeZook]

Have they explained how a civilization so primitive they don't know what "galaxy" means are able to build mile-long starships with FTL drives?

According to them, its because SW is so primitive that they havent discovered phaser technology...

Seriously, you guys have been in this debate (that should be over by now) way longer than I have, I cant even fathom the idea of how you guys didnt have your brains melted by the shit some Trekkies bring up sometimes...

A rebuttal should be obvious, really. We haven't discovered phaser technology either and fly to orbit in starships that sometimes explode on takeoff if they don't like the morning temperature, but we could easily tell how much of the galaxy we actually inhabited. Then you call the trekkie a complete idiot, unless the board has some asinine rules against swearing.

Best things is, you'd be completely right and most people would agree with you, unless they're total morons themselves.

[Connor MacLeod]

actually SW discovered something superior to phasers in the GAlaxy Gun "nucleonic" warheads.

[Darth Ruinus]

A rebuttal should be obvious, really. We haven't discovered phaser technology either and fly to orbit in starships that sometimes explode on takeoff if they don't like the morning temperature, but we could easily tell how much of the galaxy we actually inhabited. Then you call the trekkie a complete idiot, unless the board has some asinine rules against swearing.

Best things is, you'd be completely right and most people would agree with you, unless they're total morons themselves.

I doubt logic works, since these are some of the same people who tell me that Fed ships generate 30 trillion suns worth of energy, they also tell me Romulans have infinite energy capacity, and dont want to use any of it on their weapons or shields because (this is the point where they change the conversation or walk away.)

[Peptuck]

actually SW discovered something superior to phasers in the GAlaxy Gun "nucleonic" warheads.

SW discovered something superior to phasers when they discovered the blaster.

[Master_Baerne]

actually SW discovered something superior to phasers in the GAlaxy Gun "nucleonic" warheads.

SW discovered something superior to phasers when they discovered the blaster.

SW discovered something superior to phasers in the flechette launcher. It never has problems with subspace radiation, and you can actually aim it!

[harbringer]

All trekies start with:

phasers are so cool they can do anything (I dont want a talking toaster I just want it to make toast)

they then progress to:

Trek can make things teleport

and:

Star wars blasters and weapons can't be that powerfull as things don't disintergrate. And if they do disintergrate then they can't do it through brute strength, and if they did it must be less efficient then the trek method.

to:

Q means trek always win as you can't beat Q (even if he only considers lower lifeforms as a kind of bacteria)

and end with:

All warsies have no idea what they are talking about as they say trek wont win - and whats more they persecute me when I try to bend the facts to suit my conclusion.

There you are you can all be a trekkie any time you want - just be stupid and ignorant. The problem is we just want the best evidence and the right conclusion they want to make the world conform to their beliefs. Even before I signed up here I used to watch the old newsgroup stuff and it 90% of the time goes like the above (sometimes people can see that we only want the evidence and conclusion). End of the day were here for the ten percent.

[Paradox244]

There you are you can all be a trekkie any time you want - just be stupid and ignorant.

To be fair, ignorance isn't all of it. You also need a mule-headed stuborness and a truely astonishing ability to ignore reason. It's not easy. It takes sincere effort to be that stupid.

[PeZook]

There you are you can all be a trekkie any time you want - just be stupid and ignorant.

To be fair, ignorance isn't all of it. You also need a mule-headed stuborness and a truely astonishing ability to ignore reason. It's not easy. It takes sincere effort to be that stupid.

Well, surprisingly enough - no, it doesn't.

Ignorance is bliss precisely because it needs no effort at all. And when you're ignorant, with just a tad bit of arrogance sprinkled in, the result is what we see every day - in idiot trek fanboys, creationists, self-proclaimed experts on various subjects and the US president. It takes no effort at all to bask in your own broken character as if it was something positive.

Let's face it - we are all ignorant, to a greater or lesser extent. Darth Wong doesn't know much about specifics of space shuttle engineering, Broomstick probably won't be the person to ask about tank minutae, while Sheppard will be lost in a biochem lab. The key difference is most of the above people are perfectly willing to admit their ignorance and listen to people more qualified than them. A typical person just plain isn't - and you can meet them just about everywhere, not just the Internet. Ever had a pointy-haired boss? And, guess what - they are that way because it's easy, while admitting you're wrong is not.

[Paradox244]

What I meant was that it doesn't take effort to be ignorant, but being an ignorant asshole requires dedication. But you're right to of course.

[lord Martiya]

Correct. But you can remain sane playing moving the cards at the Three Cards Game or laughing at the idiots who think that they can win.