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Darkstar is incapable of comming up with anything on his own. The source of his "Death Star Chain reaction" crap is clearly copied from the analysis of phasers. The knowledgable people on the SW side of the debate observed that phasers couldn't possibly be a direct energy weapon and Darkstar uses the idea (but not the rationality) to weaken the Death Star.rhoenix wrote:I'll make one comment on Dorkstar's site before I make a somewhat more on-topic comment. It seems they try to copy (badly) the methodology and such for how we here arrive at conclusions, and they (ineptly) follow it for all things Star Trek. Mention SW there though, and suddenly the howler monkeys start flinging feces, since volume always makes up for lack of evidence.
The same reason why Yankee and Red Sox fans argue for over a century.Anyway, I quite honestly don't see why there's a big ego-driven axe being ground with the Star Wars vs, Star Trek debate. They're universi created by different authors, with different intents, and different visions of what comprises a good story (to put it politely). Then again, it's been going on for years now.
They've tried to argue that Trek could beat The Culture.The thought occurs to me, though - since I refuse to actually spend more time on Dorkstar's site than I must to satisfy morbid curiosity, have they admitted that most factions from Warhammer 40k would flatten the Trek galaxy, at least?
Yes, the latter two are what I had in mind when I made my original post - however, I didn't know things were quite that irrationally spiteful.Darth Servo wrote:Darkstar is incapable of coming up with anything on his own. The source of his "Death Star Chain reaction" crap is clearly copied from the analysis of phasers. The knowledgable people on the SW side of the debate observed that phasers couldn't possibly be a direct energy weapon and Darkstar uses the idea (but not the rationality) to weaken the Death Star.
Wayne Poe makes his "Trek Miss" video to refute the idea that Federation ships have "perfect targeting" and the Rabid Stupid Asshole makes a "Wars miss" version, never mind that no serious SW fan has ever tried to claim SW weapons have perfect accuracy.
Mike Wong makes his canon database and Anus-star tries making one for ROTS.
You have me on that one. Touche.Darth Servo wrote:The same reason why Yankee and Red Sox fans argue for over a century.Anyway, I quite honestly don't see why there's a big ego-driven axe being ground with the Star Wars vs, Star Trek debate. They're universi created by different authors, with different intents, and different visions of what comprises a good story (to put it politely). Then again, it's been going on for years now.
...I have no words.Darth Servo wrote:They've tried to argue that Trek could beat The Culture.
Yes. IIRC, there was quite a bit of trekwank over the phase cloak going on at the time.rhoenix wrote:...I have no words.Darth Servo wrote:They've tried to argue that Trek could beat The Culture.
Wait, yes I do - "Are you fucking serious?"
Wait.....correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Federation *destroy* the phase cloak?Darth Servo wrote:Yes. IIRC, there was quite a bit of trekwank over the phase cloak going on at the time.rhoenix wrote:...I have no words.Darth Servo wrote:They've tried to argue that Trek could beat The Culture.
Wait, yes I do - "Are you fucking serious?"
it's presummed they did as Picard said they would do so, but it's never shown.Peptuck wrote:Wait.....correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Federation *destroy* the phase cloak?Darth Servo wrote:Yes. IIRC, there was quite a bit of trekwank over the phase cloak going on at the time.rhoenix wrote: ...I have no words.
Wait, yes I do - "Are you fucking serious?"
Trekkies refuse to accept such an obviously advanced galaxy as Star Wars' can stand up aginst them, how do you think they're going to respond to the superficially backwards, Gothic styled 40k universe with its giant space cathedrals? At least with Warhammer, the Federation is going to have time to prepare for an attack, but once the Imperium's crusades arrive in Federation territory.....ouch.The thought occurs to me, though - since I refuse to actually spend more time on Dorkstar's site than I must to satisfy morbid curiosity, have they admitted that most factions from Warhammer 40k would flatten the Trek galaxy, at least?
If they had, Pressman and company wouldn't have been so desperate to get their hands on the prototype. Pressman simply refused to even consider Riker's suggestion of destroying the Pegasus even though it would keep the device out of Romulan hands.Peptuck wrote:Yeah, considering Section 31, I suspect that the Federation may have kept a phase cloak.
Its never heard of again anywhere in Trek canon. They didn't even try sneaking it onto the Defiant--the one ship legally authorized to have a cloaking device.Lord Revan wrote:it's presummed they did as Picard said they would do so, but it's never shown.Peptuck wrote:Wait.....correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Federation *destroy* the phase cloak?
Only with Romulan supervision.Darth Servo wrote:Its never heard of again anywhere in Trek canon. They didn't even try sneaking it onto the Defiant--the one ship legally authorized to have a cloaking device.Lord Revan wrote:it's presummed they did as Picard said they would do so, but it's never shown.Peptuck wrote:Wait.....correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Federation *destroy* the phase cloak?
Regardless, the ship continued to operate with a cloaking device for several years and the Romulans didn't have a shit-fit over it, even without supervision. No reason the Feddies couldn't fly the thing to Earth and "accidentally" replace the standard cloak with the phase cloak, especially once the Dominion war began.havokeff wrote:Only with Romulan supervision.
I'm pretty sure they either forgot about that or addressed it somewhere later on in the series as they stopped having one.
Hmmm. Cat fight with Jadzia anyone?Hmm. That would have been an interesting addition to the DS9 cast. A permanent Romulan resident that stayed on the Defiant. She and Worf would have ended up roomies.
If I recall correctly, the Feds were pretty much up against it in their war with the Dominion. I think that, facing the choice between annihilation and breaking their treaty, they'd break the treaty and risk war with the Romulans (who weren't exactly in ship shape either, thanks to their would-be sneak attack against the Founders). One would think that, given the right framing, the Romulans would have accepted the Feds' excuse for using a banned device -- assuming they ever found out.lord Martiya wrote:Entering automatically in war against the Romulans. And at that time the Federation and the Klingons were too weakened to beat the Romulan Empire.
Click the link rhoenix posted.lord Martiya wrote:How he got banned?
The Romulan losses at Founders' Homeworld were only eight ships operated from the Tal Shiar, their political police, not a big fleet manned from elite crew. And the Romulans aren't exactly favorable to the Federation: in the entire Dominion War, even after its enter in war, the Romulan Empire never permitted to the Federation the use of cloacking devices other the one on the first Defiant. And probably they found out, from the Dominion! And even if the Tal Shiar (controlled by a Fed double agent) negate it, other secret services could prove.SCRawl wrote:If I recall correctly, the Feds were pretty much up against it in their war with the Dominion. I think that, facing the choice between annihilation and breaking their treaty, they'd break the treaty and risk war with the Romulans (who weren't exactly in ship shape either, thanks to their would-be sneak attack against the Founders). One would think that, given the right framing, the Romulans would have accepted the Feds' excuse for using a banned device -- assuming they ever found out.lord Martiya wrote:Entering automatically in war against the Romulans. And at that time the Federation and the Klingons were too weakened to beat the Romulan Empire.
Anyone new to this ass-hattery should just go to the source: TimothyJones FAQ Nothing new has been brought to the table by any of these idiots.Darth Servo wrote:Darkstar is incapable of comming up with anything on his own.
Wayne Poe makes his "Trek Miss" video to refute the idea that Federation ships have "perfect targeting" and the Rabid Stupid Asshole makes a "Wars miss" version, never mind that no serious SW fan has ever tried to claim SW weapons have perfect accuracy.
Mike Wong makes his canon database and Anus-star tries making one for ROTS.
