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Paradox244 · Post by **Paradox244** » 2007-09-06 09:05am

As far as I can tell, that is exactly what he thinks.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-09-06 09:09am

Lord Revan wrote:
lord Martiya wrote: I read a little of the thread, and it's very funny. I knew that Darkstar isn't exactly a genius, but I thinked that in The Last Bastion captain Anderson was a parody!
well you're are talking about a guy, who claimed that the metalic peices you see in Vader's neck during ROTJ (when the Emperor is blasting him with the Force Lightning) are natural in order to not admit that SW is superior to ST.

I still say his worst argument was that there was a small dot in the background of the Alderaan scene, so therefore that must have been another ship contributing to the attack, thus lowing the Death Star's firepower.

Paradox244 · Post by **Paradox244** » 2007-09-06 09:13am

Why would that matter anyway? They still blew up the planet.

Except that DS is one of the guys who thinks that Alderann didn't blow up, isn't he? I don't know how anyone could watch the move and claim that the planet didn't blow up. That just dumbfounds me.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-06 09:19am

Tribun wrote:It gets even better.

As everyone with a mediocre mind should be able to see, I haven't demanded that he proves that he is intelligent. I have only pointed out that his conclusions were fallacious - and that this is not an indication for intelligence. Maybe he is not able to see the difference. The difference is that someone who is intelligent doesn't say stupid things like he has done. If someone says nothing, that's neither a proof for intelligence nor for stupidity. But if someone says stupid things, like he has done when he has made fallacious conclusions, that's a sure indication for stupidity.

But - on the other side - it is interessting how he seems to feel at once as if his education is questioned and seems to think that it is necessary to refer to his "shiny degree and professional engineering license". I have the impression that his intelligence is a tender spot in Mr. Wongs self-esteem. Why does he accent his "shiny degree and professional engineering license" if he really things that he has no need to prove his intelligence?

It is interessting too, how he ignores thereby what I have actually said. His "shiny degree and professional engineering license" proves only that he is educated. That allone doesn't prove that he is intelligent. (Only for people who jump to conclusions. With that sentence I haven't said that he is stupid nor have I said that he is not intelligent. I have only said that his "shiny degree and professional engineering license" alone doesn't prove that he intelligent. All three possibilities are still open.)

Anyway, his answer indicates again that he is not able to address the issues of my response as one would expect from an intelligent person. Because he clearly hasn't adressed what was actually said. Pity.
That's classical Darkstar-style. Reducing it to its vital points, he simply accuses Mike out of the blue of being a stupid idiot. Does he really think he could cloak his rudeness behind many words?

I love the way he's still trying to disprove my intelligence by playing Internet games, because he knows he can't possibly compete in terms of real tests of intelligence

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-09-06 09:19am

He thinks it was some kind of chain reaction

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-09-06 09:28am

How, exactly, does an engineering degree from a reputable university "not prove" one's intelligence?

At the very least, it shows that the person holding it is above average, mentally speaking. It's not like any Joe Schmoe can simply go and get himself an engineering degree with no effort or intelligence required.

But I suppose it's typical of uneducated morons with an inflated ego to downplay the importance of education as a measure of intelligence and good work ethic.

Ariphaos · Post by **Ariphaos** » 2007-09-06 10:43am

PeZook wrote:How, exactly, does an engineering degree from a reputable university "not prove" one's intelligence?

The same way some students just manage to cruise through by relying on the work of friends and memorizing rote answers they don't believe in (such as creationists getting Geology degrees).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-06 10:49am

Xeriar wrote:
PeZook wrote:How, exactly, does an engineering degree from a reputable university "not prove" one's intelligence?
The same way some students just manage to cruise through by relying on the work of friends and memorizing rote answers they don't believe in (such as creationists getting Geology degrees).

Sadly, even those students (who are best advised to go to poorer schools because you can't get through a tough program that way) are still much smarter than the average Net kiddie.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-09-06 11:17am

Xeriar wrote: The same way some students just manage to cruise through by relying on the work of friends and memorizing rote answers they don't believe in (such as creationists getting Geology degrees).

Very, very few of those students go on to get engineering licenses and work in the field, though. Not to mention they usually end their courses with really pitiful grades.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-06 12:28pm

The Rabid Stupid Asshole wrote:It is interessting too, how he ignores thereby what I have actually said. His "shiny degree and professional engineering license" proves only that he is educated. That allone doesn't prove that he is intelligent. (Only for people who jump to conclusions. With that sentence I haven't said that he is stupid nor have I said that he is not intelligent. I have only said that his "shiny degree and professional engineering license" alone doesn't prove that he intelligent. All three possibilities are still open.)

My red-neck aunt has been known for wondering why college educated people get paid so much more than people with nothing but a high school diploma. The degree is "just a piece of paper" according to her. Apparently Darkstar has borrowed a page from her playbook.

Really, he is just trying to distract away from the fact that he is INCAPABLE of getting a "shiny degree and PE license" and is once again looking for ANYTHING to attack Mike. Now watch as Darkstar tries to attack this statement on the basis of "I never claimed a college degree was just a piece of paper" totally ignoring the main point which is that an UNeducated moron like him doesn't have the first clue what its like to get a college degree and has no business stating what a college degree does or does not indicate. His statement may hold some weight with a liberal arts degree but NOT a science or engineering one.

Socar15 · Post by **Socar15** » 2007-09-06 12:32pm

Darth Servo wrote:Apparently Darkstar has borrowed a page from her playbook.

That wasn't Darkstar, that was a quote from Who is like God arbour (or AVOGARDO from here). Darkstar hasn't made a single post in that entire thread.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-06 12:34pm

I wonder if he recognizes that his core audience is uneducated kiddies. Statements like that (where he dismisses the idea that it takes high intelligence to complete a difficult science or engineering degree at a reputable university) would only serve as food for mockery when read by educated people, but uneducated people would lap it up. It's as if he's trying to ensure that his audience is entirely composed of uneducated kiddies.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-09-06 01:23pm

His "shiny degree and professional engineering license" proves only that he is educated. That allone doesn't prove that he is intelligent.

Thus proving that this dumbass has never received a formal education from a good university and graduated....without sucking off a few professors.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-06 01:26pm

Darth Wong wrote:I wonder if he recognizes that his core audience is uneducated kiddies.

I once told him that was the case. His response was a reference to someone on his 'feedback' page who liked his site supposedly proving he has fans with education.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-09-06 01:27pm

I believe the Who is like God arbour fellow is a lawyer in Germany, or has at least studied law extensively in school from his posts. What that really means to all this I'll leave up to you to decide.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-06 01:34pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:Yup, TheRedFear believes that in 1 vs 4, the side with the one evidence wins against the side with 4.....

Again, sadly typical of trekkie arguments. Look at the "no laser" bullshit. ONE quote from Picard for their side (even worse than the 1 overrules 4 since that quote can easily be interpreted many different ways). Compared to, let's see...

Loud as a Whisper--lasers were a threat.
Conundrum--lasers were a threat.
Every borg attack (at least three)--lasers were a threat.
Suddenly Human--lasers were a threat.
Every stellar fly-by (at least three)--intense light was a threat.
Ferengi "mostly EM" weapons--weakened the E-D's shields

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-09-06 03:21pm

You think that they can remember that? Or that they think that the Borg cutter beams are lasers?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-06 03:25pm

lord Martiya wrote:You think that they can remember that? Or that they think that the Borg cutter beams are lasers?

True. One particularly idiotic trektard on ST.com insists that the borg cutting laser can't possibly be a laser even though dialog says its a laser because Fed ships are immune to lasers.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-09-06 05:57pm

Darth Servo wrote:
lord Martiya wrote:You think that they can remember that? Or that they think that the Borg cutter beams are lasers?
True. One particularly idiotic trektard on ST.com insists that the borg cutting laser can't possibly be a laser even though dialog says its a laser because Fed ships are immune to lasers.

*blink*

Let's read that again:

...the Borg cutting laser can't possibly be a laser (even though dialog says it's a laser) because Fed ships are immune to lasers.

Nope, the intentional ignorance burns just as much the second time. Apparently I hadn't paid as much attention in this whole debate until now, since that's simply stunning.

My retort in analogy would be a guy who brags that he can parry any punch. Followed immediately afterward by ten huge men beating the shit out of him. If the fist in question is that big, and thrown that hard, parrying is much more difficult. When there's ten times as much (a lowball estimate from the turbolaser vs. phaser power disparity), the gap simply widens by that much more.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-09-06 06:31pm

My retort in analogy would be a guy who brags that he can parry any punch. Followed immediately afterward by ten huge men beating the shit out of him. If the fist in question is that big, and thrown that hard, parrying is much more difficult. When there's ten times as much (a lowball estimate from the turbolaser vs. phaser power disparity), the gap simply widens by that much more.

And according to this bastard's logic, he was never punched because he specifically said he was immune to punches. He must have taken a few slaps and kicks instead, whereas every punch bounced off!

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-09-06 06:39pm

Or pass harmless to the other side, as Graham Kennedy claim for lasers.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-09-06 07:36pm

Darth Servo wrote:
lord Martiya wrote:You think that they can remember that? Or that they think that the Borg cutter beams are lasers?
True. One particularly idiotic trektard on ST.com insists that the borg cutting laser can't possibly be a laser even though dialog says its a laser because Fed ships are immune to lasers.

Is that Jay or Pheonix? I haven't dug that far back into the vs threads over there, just responding to the recent ones.

as an aside, SSFPheonix is insisting he isn't Evil Shadow, thoughthey have the exct same posting style, they've posted at the same time, and their arguments are virtually identical.

And how's this for logic: Pheonix is arguing that the seismic charge in AOTC is impossible because sound doesn't travel through space. As if that's going to change the fact that it happened in the movie.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2007-09-06 07:39pm

Actually the Borg cutting laser REALLY can't be a laser because it is clearly visible in a vacuum. Of course the same goes for turbolasers so that point is void anyway.

Ariphaos · Post by **Ariphaos** » 2007-09-06 10:34pm

Batman wrote:Actually the Borg cutting laser REALLY can't be a laser because it is clearly visible in a vacuum. Of course the same goes for turbolasers so that point is void anyway.

Has anyone ever done calcs on what it would take for a laser to be visible in space?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-09-06 10:53pm

Xeriar wrote:
Batman wrote:Actually the Borg cutting laser REALLY can't be a laser because it is clearly visible in a vacuum. Of course the same goes for turbolasers so that point is void anyway.
Has anyone ever done calcs on what it would take for a laser to be visible in space?

Divine intervention, since there's no where enough particles in space to cause a visible beam (it's not an energy issue, but rather lasers (true lasers that is not Scifi lasers) are visible only at the point of emission unless they hit something).