Robotech live action movie

[KlavoHunter]

What version of Robotech are they going with?

Hopefully the books.

[Damaramu]

What version of Robotech are they going with?

Hopefully the books.

IIRC, Harmony Gold has thrown the books completely out the window.

[CycloneRider052]

IIRC, Harmony Gold has thrown the books completely out the window.

The books, RPG, comics and whatnot exist in kind of their own realm. Harmony Gold has stated that only the animation itself is canon.

The Macross stuff is more than 20 years out of date. Macross in Robotech ends in 2013/14, and Mospeada takes place in 2044, so...30 years.

While it is rather silly that Protoculture is derived from the seeds of the Flower of Life, is it any more silly than a guy flying a Variable Fighter using a fucking guitar? Or that his SOUND ENERGY can beat the space vampires? As bizarre and contradictory that parts of Robotech are, Macross is a far worse offender. You've got the original series, DYRL and Plus, which are good space operas, but after that it just went downhill and you've got the vampires in space getting sung to by a rock band in Valkryies, and then you've got Moby-fucking-Dick in space with Dynamite 7. Then dear god, you've got Macross Zero, which is just...good god.

[CycloneRider052]

The books, RPG, comics and whatnot exist in kind of their own realm. Harmony Gold has stated that only the animation itself is canon.

My mistake, HG has updated the canon policy since I last looked:
http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/faq/v ... tegoryid=5

The original television series is the primary source of story continuity for the Robotech universe. Subsequently published material (including The Sentinels) represents secondary continuity. All future works are based upon the core continuity presented in the original series, which can also be supplemented by material from secondary sources where it supports the storyline of the television episodes. Where conflicts arise, consistency with events of the television episodes takes priority.

Errors occasionally can (and do) occur under rapid production schedules, and some of these discrepancies can be found in even in the original television episodes - though these are usually minor. Such errors are corrected wherever possible in future published works with overall continuity with the television episodes remaining the final word.

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[VF5SS]

Oh no you didn't Robotechie. First off, DYRL is a re-imagining of the TV show for a movie. Macross 7 is a fine continuation of the original series (and unlike any Robotech production, actually has characters and machines returning from a previous generation). And if you want to blame anything for crazy sound powers, blame Macross Plus for its CRAZY AI WITH HYPNOTIC MIND CONTROL POWERS.

Let us not forget the fucked up story to Robotech. WE BUILT THE SDF-2(except you can't see it). Oh no they both died and everyone inside died even though the SDF-1 was intact and nothing hit the bridge. Now Earth looks like a totally different planet! See this guy? He's a clone of ROBOTECH MASTER ZOR being put on the front lines as a Bioroid pilot for some reason. And he only talks when you can't see his mouth. Hey didn't Dana have green hair as a child? Watch the RDF get all of it's good machines replaced with successively worse robots that have no visual continuity with the previous generation. What happened to the Zentradi? Maybe they could have stopped the Robotech Masters or the Inbit. What happened to the Robotech Masters? How could those weak ass kamikaze space crabs take them out? Now our robots really suck and we can't even kill a bunch of space crabs with bad aim. Now we're fighting floating robot torsos. Hay is that Rick Hunter? Boy he looks nothing like he did in the past. EVERYONE HAS GIGANTIC BREASTS NOW! The end.

[Vendetta]

While it is rather silly that Protoculture is derived from the seeds of the Flower of Life, is it any more silly than a guy flying a Variable Fighter using a fucking guitar?

Well, yes. One violates the First Law of Thermodynamics, the other, well, doesn't, even if it's a bit strange.

[VF5SS]

Besides, the guitar controller is just a joystick. It's not like he's playing music while flying. Hell, Macross 7 even understood the fact of no sound in space.

[Knife]

Oh no you didn't Robotechie.

Lol, this is where the problem will be. Macross junkies and more or less anime purests will have a shit fit over a Robotech movie. (points to you all and laughs) Weather this movie eventually gets made or even if it sucks monkey balls, I'll enjoy watching the anime guys getting all twisted up and their heads exploding.

That said, weather it's a rip off of other shows or not, there is a fairly decent story at the heart of Robotech. The human spirit raising to over come tremendous challenges and misery. But with the tree pieces, it's a bit big for one movie. Even if you break them down into the three original shows they took them from, they might be a bit big for a movie.

If I had to guess, I'd say they'd take the Macross one though. With the exception of Min May (or what ever) it's a good story and it's got an epic feel for it. And with CGI they could do the mecha justice and the Zentrani well.

[VF5SS]

Lol, this is where the problem will be. Macross junkies and more or less anime purests will have a shit fit over a Robotech movie. (points to you all and laughs) Weather this movie eventually gets made or even if it sucks monkey balls, I'll enjoy watching the anime guys getting all twisted up and their heads exploding.

And the next time Kevin J Anderson ruins another beloved universe and the next time Karen Traviss puts out another Star Wars EU novel and the next time Berman and Braga get together on Star Trek I'll be laughing.

:p

[Knife]

Lol, this is where the problem will be. Macross junkies and more or less anime purests will have a shit fit over a Robotech movie. (points to you all and laughs) Weather this movie eventually gets made or even if it sucks monkey balls, I'll enjoy watching the anime guys getting all twisted up and their heads exploding.

And the next time Kevin J Anderson ruins another beloved universe and the next time Karen Traviss puts out another Star Wars EU novel and the next time Berman and Braga get together on Star Trek I'll be laughing.

:p

This is a tangent but oh well; I don't buy EU anymore so I really don't care. Nore do I really watch and ST, so again I don't really care. However, even if these guys did make something and it actually turned out well, I'd watch/read it.

I don't hate Robotech because it took it's shit from other shows anymore than I hate don't hate SW because it ripped off Athurian legend pretty fucking bad. If you're only bitch is that it took it from your show so you hate it and everything about it ever made, get over yourself.

The movie might suck, it might be good. I don't know, but the ranting and raving already based off of nothing except it's 'ripped' off your your sacred cow is funny as fuck.

[CycloneRider052]

Oh no you didn't Robotechie. First off, DYRL is a re-imagining of the TV show for a movie. Macross 7 is a fine continuation of the original series (and unlike any Robotech production, actually has characters and machines returning from a previous generation). And if you want to blame anything for crazy sound powers, blame Macross Plus for its CRAZY AI WITH HYPNOTIC MIND CONTROL POWERS.

Why does the production NEED returning characters and mecha? Yes Max kicked some serious ass back in the day, as did Milia; but they're in their what...50's now? Having Max as the captain and a secondary character was just fine as it did give us a nice connection to the original series, same with Milia and Exedore. (Though I don't know why they decided to use his DYRL look since DYRL is a movie IN the Macross universe) Having the destroids modified for civilian work was also a nice nod to the original series. (Specially the fully functioning Monster destroid) You probably shit your pants though when Milia hopped in her red -1J and fly around pew pewing though huh? By 2044-45, the VF-1 is 30 some odd years old and has been eclipsed by everything from the VF-4 all the way up to that snazzy new VF-19 and the -22. There was absolutely no need to have her flying that around except as a bit of fan-service, since even with the VF-1X update package it's still an obsolete plane.

On the crazy sound powers, wasn't Basara's Fire Valkryie DESTROYED during the last episode of 7 and he was floating in space or upper atmosphere SINGING at the Protodevlin leader (whose name escapes me at the moment).

Let us not forget the fucked up story to Robotech. WE BUILT THE SDF-2(except you can't see it). Oh no they both died and everyone inside died even though the SDF-1 was intact and nothing hit the bridge.

No argument there. I've argued for years that mentioning the SDF-2 was totally stupid and really just causes more trouble than its worth.

Now Earth looks like a totally different planet! See this guy? He's a clone of ROBOTECH MASTER ZOR being put on the front lines as a Bioroid pilot for some reason. And he only talks when you can't see his mouth. Hey didn't Dana have green hair as a child?

Let's see here, we're talking a space of 30 years with a large scale enviromental reclamation program. Or would you prefer that like in Macross, everyone is still living around the bombed out shell of the SDF-1?

IIRC even in SDSC when the Bioroid pilots 'spoke' their lips didn't move, implying some sort of telepathy. Sticking him as a bioroid pilot is indeed an odd choice when their overall goal was simply to jog his cellular memory.

Watch the RDF get 3ll of it's good machines replaced with successively worse robots that have no visual continuity with the previous generation.

Why do you think that the Macross generation's equipment is superior? The VF-1 has 55mm machine gun with a 500 round capacity, 12 MRMs, 32 SRMs and 6 Reaction or reflex missiles if you're going with the Super variant, a bunch of paper mache destroids that they STOPPED making after Space War One in Macross because they weren't effective.

Whereas in Robotech you're seeing the technology evolving. The veritechs are sporting beam weapons and moving away from a reliance on ammunition based weapons. Hell look at the freaking Alpha, fully automatic beam gun AND 60 SRMs. Helluva dogfighter.

What happened to the Zentradi? Maybe they could have stopped the Robotech Masters or the Inbit.

By the time that the Robotech story actually takes place, protoculture depletion has hit the Masters Empire pretty hard, which explains why the Masters didn't just walk all over the Earth when they got there.

The Invid were practically a non-issue for both the Zents AND the Masters until their protoculture were at critical levels. The Zents made NO mention of the Invid to the Earth Forces at ALL, which implies that the Zentraedi didn't consider them a viable threat at the time.

What happened to the Robotech Masters? How could those weak ass kamikaze space crabs take them out?

See above.

Now our robots really suck and we can't even kill a bunch of space crabs with bad aim. Now we're fighting floating robot torsos. Hay is that Rick Hunter? Boy he looks nothing like he did in the past. EVERYONE HAS GIGANTIC BREASTS NOW! The end.

In most situations and Alpha would handily outperform your vaunted VF-1.

Never said the Invid were great shots, or even worth villains, they just got lucky.

Once again...30+ years down the road, Hunter has put some weight on and gone crazily grey. (Out of universe they obviously want to cut down connections to Macross)

And...boobs. Everyone loves boobs. Yune and his 'art team' do ok, but I think they've spent too much time on comic book bimbos.

[VF5SS]

Why does the production NEED returning characters and mecha? Yes Max kicked some serious ass back in the day, as did Milia; but they're in their what...50's now?

Because its hard to take the whole "multi-generational epic" at face value when all we get of the previous generation is incomprehensible lip service.

Having Max as the captain and a secondary character was just fine as it did give us a nice connection to the original series, same with Milia and Exedore. (Though I don't know why they decided to use his DYRL look since DYRL is a movie IN the Macross universe)

There is a movie in the Macross universe called DYRL that may or may not be our DYRL movie. There's a bit of backstory about why Exedol changed his appearance. If anything it's also part of how DYRL has set the standard for the look of all future Macross productions, barring some oddities like Millia's VF-1J. Basically they're trying to get away from some of the obvious Gundam design cues you see in the older works.

There was absolutely no need to have her flying that around except as a bit of fan-service, since even with the VF-1X update package it's still an obsolete plane.

There is always a need to fan service when it comes to Millia. She only fly her VF-1J until Gamlin got it blown up and she switched to better fighters.

Let's see here, we're talking a space of 30 years with a large scale enviromental reclamation program. Or would you prefer that like in Macross, everyone is still living around the bombed out shell of the SDF-1?

Except people had already spread out from the Macross during the end of the TV series. Of course, any benefits from things like cloning and the Factory Satellite are total ignored in Robotech even those such things are still in the bloody show.

IIRC even in SDSC when the Bioroid pilots 'spoke' their lips didn't move, implying some sort of telepathy. Sticking him as a bioroid pilot is indeed an odd choice when their overall goal was simply to jog his cellular memory.

Uh no. Bioroid pilots never speak in Southern Cross. They're brainwashed humans who just glare at people. Never mind how Robotech could never decide what a Bioroid was, especially during that scene where Dana pleads to her superiors to keep one alive. And Robotech's destruction of Seifriet as a character was just awful.

Why do you think that the Macross generation's equipment is superior? The VF-1 has 55mm machine gun with a 500 round capacity, 12 MRMs, 32 SRMs and 6 Reaction or reflex missiles if you're going with the Super variant, a bunch of paper mache destroids that they STOPPED making after Space War One in Macross because they weren't effective.

Wow! Look at those RPG stats! Have you been reading steelfalcon.com? Despite the failure of Destroids, Valkyries have only become more overpowered as Macross progressed.

Whereas in Robotech you're seeing the technology evolving. The veritechs are sporting beam weapons and moving away from a reliance on ammunition based weapons. Hell look at the freaking Alpha, fully automatic beam gun AND 60 SRMs. Helluva dogfighter.

Have you watched Mospeada at all? The Legioss is a fucking joke. That beam gun has never been shown to be more effective than a gunpod and all those missiles are fucking worthless because you need to fire all of them to hit anything. Hell, how many times does Stick fire a cloud of missiles that miss some slow moving Inbit?

By the time that the Robotech story actually takes place, protoculture depletion has hit the Masters Empire pretty hard, which explains why the Masters didn't just walk all over the Earth when they got there.

So the Zentradi who glassed Earth couldn't have glassed the Robotech Masters? What?

The Invid were practically a non-issue for both the Zents AND the Masters until their protoculture were at critical levels. The Zents made NO mention of the Invid to the Earth Forces at ALL, which implies that the Zentraedi didn't consider them a viable threat at the time.

How convenient.

In most situations and Alpha would handily outperform your vaunted VF-1.

Keep telling yourself that. I lost my faith in Legiosses after the first episode of Mospeada.

Never said the Invid were great shots, or even worth villains, they just got lucky.

Lucky that the RDF sucks at life.

[CycloneRider052]

Because its hard to take the whole "multi-generational epic" at face value when all we get of the previous generation is incomprehensible lip service.

Not so much, enough time goes by in between generations where the use of obsolete equipment isn't really feasible. The previous generations characters are either elsewhere in the galaxy...or dead. Depending on who we're talking about.

There is a movie in the Macross universe called DYRL that may or may not be our DYRL movie.

That's a pretty weak rebuttal.

There's a bit of backstory about why Exedol changed his appearance. If anything it's also part of how DYRL has set the standard for the look of all future Macross productions, barring some oddities like Millia's VF-1J. Basically they're trying to get away from some of the obvious Gundam design cues you see in the older works.

Nothing wrong with DYRL being an anachronistic portrayal of SDF:M.

There is always a need to fan service when it comes to Millia. She only fly her VF-1J until Gamlin got it blown up and she switched to better fighters.

Matter of opinion, but I'll concede that it does get replaced after..one..or two episodes?

Except people had already spread out from the Macross during the end of the TV series. Of course, any benefits from things like cloning and the Factory Satellite are total ignored in Robotech even those such things are still in the bloody show.

Recent Robotech sources indicate the same things happened in Robotech; minus the cloning. I can get you scans of the colonial exodus dialogue from the recent comics if you'd like. Art of Shadow Chronicles details the UEEF's usage of the factory satlliteS, as they acquired several more.

Uh no. Bioroid pilots never speak in Southern Cross. They're brainwashed humans who just glare at people. Never mind how Robotech could never decide what a Bioroid was, especially during that scene where Dana pleads to her superiors to keep one alive. And Robotech's destruction of Seifriet as a character was just awful.

I'll concede the bioroid pilots since it's been several years since I watched my Southern Cross DVDs.
What happened to his character is your opinion.


[quote="VF5SS']
Wow! Look at those RPG stats! Have you been reading steelfalcon.com? Despite the failure of Destroids, Valkyries have only become more overpowered as Macross progressed. [/quote]

http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/mecha ... a.php?id=4
Which is based off of...http://www.xs4all.nl/~ptn/Veritech/Valkyrie.html
My bad, 200 round capacity.

Have you watched Mospeada at all? The Legioss is a fucking joke. That beam gun has never been shown to be more effective than a gunpod and all those missiles are fucking worthless because you need to fire all of them to hit anything. Hell, how many times does Stick fire a cloud of missiles that miss some slow moving Inbit?

Never said it was more powerful, just to relieve ammo pressures. Same thing with the missiles. The problem seems to lie with the pilot's aiming and the overall UEEF fire control systems.



[quote="VF5SS']
So the Zentradi who glassed Earth couldn't have glassed the Robotech Masters? What? [/quote]

Duuur, because like your Macross Zentraedi, the Robotech Zents have no knowledge of building and maintaining their equipment, and are entirely dependent on the Factory Satellites. However in Robotech, the Satellites run off of Protoculture, meaning the Masters can deny them the power to keep going.


[quote="VF5SS']
How convenient. [/quote]

Find a better in-universe explanation based on dialogue and footage please.

Keep telling yourself that. I lost my faith in Legiosses after the first episode of Mospeada.

I imagine you're the kind of guy that hangs out at Macrossworld, so I'm going to assume you know of LEM, if not here's a link to his RDF-HQ thread where he modelled all the main mecha from Robotech in X-Plane
http://p081.ezboard.com/frdfhqcommunica ... 26&stop=28

Lucky that the RDF sucks at life.

I'm starting to think that Robotech kidnapped your family and killed your dog.[/url]

[VF5SS]

Not so much, enough time goes by in between generations where the use of obsolete equipment isn't really feasible. The previous generations characters are either elsewhere in the galaxy...or dead. Depending on who we're talking about.

That's a weak way to tie everything together.

That's a pretty weak rebuttal.

Ok, It's not the same movie.

Matter of opinion, but I'll concede that it does get replaced after..one..or two episodes?

It is in Macross 7 from episode 13-18.

Recent Robotech sources indicate the same things happened in Robotech; minus the cloning. I can get you scans of the colonial exodus dialogue from the recent comics if you'd like. Art of Shadow Chronicles details the UEEF's usage of the factory satlliteS, as they acquired several more.

So they failed to make enough shit to counter the shitty Robotech Masters and the Invid? Lame.

What happened to his character is your opinion.

I know right, a poorly constructed plot device is way better than a tortured character with real motives.

Never said it was more powerful, just to relieve ammo pressures. Same thing with the missiles. The problem seems to lie with the pilot's aiming and the overall UEEF fire control systems.

I should make a Trekmiss for Stick and his Legioss.

Duuur, because like your Macross Zentraedi, the Robotech Zents have no knowledge of building and maintaining their equipment, and are entirely dependent on the Factory Satellites. However in Robotech, the Satellites run off of Protoculture, meaning the Masters can deny them the power to keep going.

So they've got nothing after roaming around for thousands of years? Even sheer numbers should stop them.

Find a better in-universe explanation based on dialogue and footage please.

Characters can be wrong. I learned that much from this website. Lest we start believing that random fighters in Southern Cross are variable.

I imagine you're the kind of guy that hangs out at Macrossworld, so I'm going to assume you know of LEM, if not here's a link to his RDF-HQ thread where he modelled all the main mecha from Robotech in X-Plane

I'll go with the official stats.

I'm starting to think that Robotech kidnapped your family and killed your dog.

I'm staring to think Robotech gives you a blow job every night.

[Sea Skimmer]

Wait, people are afraid of a Robotech movie because it’s already screwed all to hell plot wise? And you think that won’t happen to a live action movie no matter what the source material? Have we not already seen a billion times that Hollywood can screw anything up? If anything, hold out your hope that in the process of screw up multiplication the end result might actually shit out some sense

[Ford Prefect]

Wait, people are afraid of a Robotech movie because it’s already screwed all to hell plot wise? And you think that won’t happen to a live action movie no matter what the source material? Have we not already seen a billion times that Hollywood can screw anything up? If anything, hold out your hope that in the process of screw up multiplication the end result might actually shit out some sense

You see, the only good thing about this is that it's vaguely possible we might get jet fighters turning into atomic robot ninjas with guns, in space, while the world is on fire. Maybe.

[CycloneRider052]

That's a weak way to tie everything together.

Well, when you're trying to put 3 un-related shows together, there's not a whole lot you can do.

So they failed to make enough shit to counter the shitty Robotech Masters and the Invid? Lame.

You realise the Masters....are their Masters right?

I know right, a poorly constructed plot device is way better than a tortured character with real motives.

One is a brainwashed human, and the other is the re-incarnation of a dead genius. I dunno...they both seem like they're having bad days.

I should make a Trekmiss for Stick and his Legioss.

Go for it. Make sure you add up how many he kills too.

So they've got nothing after roaming around for thousands of years? Even sheer numbers should stop them.

Who? What? Or are you still thinking the Masters and Zentraedi aren't on the same side?

Characters can be wrong. I learned that much from this website. Lest we start believing that random fighters in Southern Cross are variable.

Characters can indeed be wrong. However, they have reclassed the Slypheed as a Veritech and are supposedly coming up with G and B modes for it. Same with that Condor from Mospeada where they dug something that indicated it was variable.

I'll go with the official stats.

You did read where he indicated he took the stats FROM your 'official' site right?

With the help of source material provided by macross.anime.net

I'm staring to think Robotech gives you a blow job every night.

You know, it's ok to not like Robotech, it really is. You should really just try and do a bit of research to see the attempts being made in recent years to see the steps that are being made to distance it from its source material.

[Durandal]

If they take the same direction with a Robotech movie that they took with the new Battlestar Galactica (that is, eliminate the campy shit, take the overall plot and make a grittier, militaristic version), then it could be very good. Granted, not every character has to be an alcoholic, but a movie could do without the "In order to defeat our enemies, we must broadcast pop music" shit.

[VF5SS]

Well, when you're trying to put 3 un-related shows together, there's not a whole lot you can do.

Then don't do it.

You realise the Masters....are their Masters right?

Not after culture shock.

One is a brainwashed human, and the other is the re-incarnation of a dead genius. I dunno...they both seem like they're having bad days.

Go for it. Make sure you add up how many he kills too.

60 missiles for two kills! Hooray!

Who? What? Or are you still thinking the Masters and Zentraedi aren't on the same side?

Where were they when the Masters were trying to invade Earth? For guys who are on the same side, they never seem to help each other.

Characters can indeed be wrong. However, they have reclassed the Slypheed as a Veritech and are supposedly coming up with G and B modes for it. Same with that Condor from Mospeada where they dug something that indicated it was variable.

Fucking YF-1R all over again. You guys ever get tired of making shit up based on mistakes?

You know, it's ok to not like Robotech, it really is. You should really just try and do a bit of research to see the attempts being made in recent years to see the steps that are being made to distance it from its source material.

Mospeada shit with more guns doesn't seem that far from the source material. At least Battletech dropped the shit they stole and did redesigns. :p

[CycloneRider052]

You see, the only good thing about this is that it's vaguely possible we might get jet fighters turning into atomic robot ninjas with guns, in space, while the world is on fire. Maybe.

That, quite possibly is the best summation of anything that I have ever heard. You sir, are a gentlemen and a scholar.

[CycloneRider052]

Then don't do it.

Too late, been done.

Not after culture shock.

You'll note the Invid didn't start to be a problem until AFTER the Zentraedi ceased to be an effective fighting force.

One is a brainwashed human, and the other is the re-incarnation of a dead genius. I dunno...they both seem like they're having bad days.

Go for it. Make sure you add up how many he kills too.

60 missiles for two kills! Hooray!

http://www.robotechresearch.com/referen ... ports5.htm Scott's kill counts and breakdowns and whatnot. Not bad considering the guy's training and prior experience was all in space combat.

Where were they when the Masters were trying to invade Earth? For guys who are on the same side, they never seem to help each other.

I don't know if you noticed or not, but after Macross, the Zents essentially ceased to be an effective fighting force.

Fucking YF-1R all over again. You guys ever get tired of making shit up based on mistakes?

VF-1R is stupid, BUT according to recent translations the Condor is indeed referred to as transformable.

Mospeada shit with more guns doesn't seem that far from the source material. At least Battletech dropped the shit they stole and did redesigns. :p

I was actually referring to the story. There's nothing wrong with them using the Mospeada designs, as in the current generation the Mospeada hardware is the current standard. In addition to that, Harmony Gold owns the rights to GCM, and thus is in full legal authority to use said designs in a work that is a continuation of the story that said designs are used in.

Oh, and FASA didn't STEAL the designs, they were also legally licensed. The legal snafu was something related to that. I'll find the site that details what really occured later.

One last thing, like I've said; it's ok to dislike. I would however appreciate if you got your facts straight instead of just ZOMG ROBOTECH IS TEH LAME! It's really demeaning to decent Macross fans, because you know... I like Macross as well...but you know what introduced me to it? Robotech! Holy shit!

[VF5SS]

Too late, been done.

Then stop.

http://www.robotechresearch.com/referen ... ports5.htm Scott's kill counts and breakdowns and whatnot. Not bad considering the guy's training and prior experience was all in space combat.

I suppose most of the fault is that the Inbit were shitty fighters but christ, 158 missiles? It's a good thing the magic of protoculture affords him an unlimited supply of missiles.

I don't know if you noticed or not, but after Macross, the Zents essentially ceased to be an effective fighting force.

I dunno. They just sorta disappeared.

VF-1R is stupid, BUT according to recent translations the Condor is indeed referred to as transformable.

The Silpheed thing is also really stupid.

Oh, and FASA didn't STEAL the designs, they were also legally licensed. The legal snafu was something related to that. I'll find the site that details what really occured later.

I still find it hard to believe that Sunrise and Studio Nue would let their designs be used. But go ahead and post some proof. Nobody else does.

One last thing, like I've said; it's ok to dislike. I would however appreciate if you got your facts straight instead of just ZOMG ROBOTECH IS TEH LAME!

It is lame. Just like Voltron and Starblazers and all that other butchered shit. And I can hate if I want.

It's really demeaning to decent Macross fans, because you know... I like Macross as well...but you know what introduced me to it? Robotech! Holy shit!

Holy shit! I saw Clash of the Bionoids first! I'm not pumping up the merits of a cheesy Hong Kong dub and a shameful edit of a good movie now am I?

[CycloneRider052]

Then stop.

Considering Harmony Gold owns the legal rights to it, and can still make money off it, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. I recommend removing the stick from your ass and watching your preffered show.

I suppose most of the fault is that the Inbit were shitty fighters but christ, 158 missiles? It's a good thing the magic of protoculture affords him an unlimited supply of missiles.

I thought it was good luck in stumbling across weapon caches and the occasional backdoor deal with undesirables? Which seems more likely?

I dunno. They just sorta disappeared.

I agree that the lack of real mention of the Zents after Macross is kind of irksome. There is some sort of off-hand mention of them in New Gen to the effect that they're nearly extinct. Take that with a grain of salt though.

The Silpheed thing is also really stupid.

Yes, it is rather silly, but I'm going to withhold final judgement until I see a finished design. If someone wants to invest that kind of time and effort into rectifying a dialogue flub, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I still find it hard to believe that Sunrise and Studio Nue would let their designs be used. But go ahead and post some proof. Nobody else does.

I believe I found the site originally from some Battletech movie discussion thread on Something Awful. When I get to work tomorrow I'll dig around and try and find it.

It is lame. Just like Voltron and Starblazers and all that other butchered shit. And I can hate if I want.

No arguments here.

Holy shit! I saw Clash of the Bionoids first! I'm not pumping up the merits of a cheesy Hong Kong dub and a shameful edit of a good movie now am I?

No, you're just saying your fictional universe with giant transforming robots is superior. Which you are of course entitled to believing, I'm simply trying to point out the places where your information is either outdated or flawed and that you should probably try for a mature method of delivery as you just look like an ignorant hater.

[SylasGaunt]

In regards to the Milia VF issue remember that by the time of Macross 7 she's a civilian official, there's no reason for her to have a VF-22 laying around.

[Sidewinder]

If they take the same direction with a Robotech movie that they took with the new Battlestar Galactica (that is, eliminate the campy shit, take the overall plot and make a grittier, militaristic version), then it could be very good. Granted, not every character has to be an alcoholic, but a movie could do without the "In order to defeat our enemies, we must broadcast pop music" shit.

Considering how damn important the Rick/Lisa/Minmei or Hikaru/Misa/Minmay love triangle is in 'Robotech' and 'Macross', it's doubtful they can cut out the "Lynn Minmay saves the world!" bit. (I prefer a victory by force of arms, but I'd also like SOME faithfulness to the original works.)