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I find my airbourne tend to get napalmed after I've sent off a few barrages, but given the relative costs I win:Aaron Ash wrote: The only common threat to the airborne hiding in the forests are choppers, and they don't even seem to really care. Usually even if they spot you they just fire a few bursts then bugger off, as they say on the internets I'm in their base killing their dudes, not to mention lighting them up for anyone with TA to spare but they just wander off to find some tanks. Of course, if they do hang around they usually just sit there lazily trying to waste my guys (remember you can reinforce infantry while they are under attack), and they get an air-to-air strike for their trouble.
Yup, many a time I've taken and held Research Station and Gas Station pretty much by my self for an entire round.Aaron Ash wrote:I think my favourite thing about infantry is it's pretty much the only specialisation you can choose where you don't have to rely on other players, and that's a big fucking advantage in some games.
I have to admit I've never even ordered a Demo Squad, do they have any ability other than 'blow up bridge'? If they could lay AT mines, booby traps or something similar they could be quite useful.Stark wrote:My complaints with infantry are basically that the engineers and snipers are stupid. Individual guys? Get fucked, I either want a 'sniper squad' with regular infantry + a sniper or a sniper team. The very idea of an engineer being by himself is retarded, since they're only good for one thing. This is a problem for infantry, since they've really only got two units (AT and regular infantry).
Yeah, American Arty plays aren't very creative with their artillery placement.Mongoose wrote:Maybe it's just me, but doesn't it seem like it's too easy to take advantage of artillery players online? I'm talking about people using artillery the wrong way, not a game imbalance; in a game I was in a little while ago, I took out at least 5 heavy artillery units, because the guy using them kept sending them to almost the exact same spot after they were destroyed. He did that 4 times in a row.
To be far, I suck at the game too, so I probably shouldn't be whining about other people playing badly.
Helped the general war effort quite a bit. As someone who plays artillery regularly most of my time is spent looking at the battlefield to see where I should reign death down on next and not watching my units.Stark wrote:Remember, some people are so stupid you can AIRDROP infantry into a bush right next to their favourite arty spot and just constantly use the free arty strike to kill them over and over. It boggles my mind how few people actually notice the little men with their parachutes floating down.
Frankly the hill is the best position:Lonestar wrote:Yeah, American Arty plays aren't very creative with their artillery placement.
"Stick it on that Hill...again!"
So either use the map or pay attention. Arty players NEVER seem to pay attention to their area security, so they've got nobody to blame but themselves when they get raped so much.2000AD wrote: As someone who plays artillery regularly most of my time is spent looking at the battlefield to see where I should reign death down on next and not watching my units.
That said, if my arty starts getting damaged I immeadiatly zoom back to it to see what action I need to take.
I don't see the point (beyond 'zomg pritty') to not use the map most of the time as arty, and things like a swarm of parachutes are pretty obvious. This is harder to do without q-menu requests, but you get all the targeting info you need anyway.All those things make it the WORST position, since EVERYONE knows that's where you are. I mean, random TA to that hill usually gets kills totally blind, because idiots think 'let's rally here on top of this hill where the arty always is lol'. The obvious fire arcs make it worse: it's instantly clear when there's arty active there, so blam they're all dead.Frankly the hill is the best position:
- It's central so allows your artillery to hit most, if not all, the control points.
- Often has other players deploying their too, so there's an incresed chance of help being available if you come under attack.
- Has forests for enemy infantry to hide in only the on the outskirts, meaning paratroopers are easier to spot as they move into position to drop arty on your arty.
And can you believe people actually seem to think the scout chopper needs MORE spot range?
Mainly because if the enemy get close to them the artillery is fucked. They only have one option, run away, and since they're slow as mollasses that doesn't work too well. Against Air, the main arty killer, their only defence is pretty much to sit their and call for AA, assuming their own AA is taken out which is the first thing any competent Air player does.Stark wrote: So either use the map or pay attention. Arty players NEVER seem to pay attention to their area security, so they've got nobody to blame but themselves when they get raped so much.
'zomg pritty' sums it up really. With artillery I like to rain death down from afar, while gloating and watching the bodies fly. Muahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!I don't see the point (beyond 'zomg pritty') to not use the map most of the time as arty, and things like a swarm of parachutes are pretty obvious. This is harder to do without q-menu requests, but you get all the targeting info you need anyway.
Then those guys don't deserve to play arty. Getting wiped out by helo's or a few tanks that broke through is understandable, but getting killed by jeeps?!Anecdote time - I've parked TRUCKS next to arty. I've wiped out arty posts with UAZs. Why? Arty players don't pay attention, and mapedge security is usually awful.
For US artillery everyone knows where you are anyway for 2 reasons:All those things make it the WORST position, since EVERYONE knows that's where you are. I mean, random TA to that hill usually gets kills totally blind, because idiots think 'let's rally here on top of this hill where the arty always is lol'. The obvious fire arcs make it worse: it's instantly clear when there's arty active there, so blam they're all dead.
True, a lot of noobs don't pay attention to their area, but once the enemie's in there you can't really do much anyway.The very idea of arty players who can't pay attention to their area security and don't move around is bizarre. Hell, when I play support I divide up my guys - against coordinated action it's bad, but the REAL threat to arty players is random shit like roving choppers or infantry, so they can never get more than one unit at a time. The range is long enough that they can all hit a given target.
Yeah, it's so sad that few people appreciate causing big explosions, and be damned with the armour players that demand they have 2 other players backing them up or they wont be able to do well. It's especailly annoying when there's HAA swarms on your side and when it gets to the end of the round there's only one opponent playing air.This said, I've noticed very few arty players these days. Support guys seem much more focussed on the 'useless repair swarm' and the 'useless HAAA swarm'. I mean, when 70% of your team is HAAA, it's time to change tactics. When you've seen a guy with a HAAA and five repair vehicles try to assault a position, you've got to wonder why they don't change roles.
I've seen players that take detachments entirely of scout helos and do surprisingly well.Lonestar, it's sad that so few air players do as I do and use a scout chopper and drop arty reqs everywhere. Often I'm the only one using q-menu beyond 'oh noes i'm going to die where are teh choppers' - but as air I see all kinds of targets, and I like to drop arty requests on each one. I often don't have time to kill them myself, with having to constantly bail out armour players from Apaches...
True, but don't the huge amount of points that the enemy gain while killing artillery mean that your putting your team at a disadvantage?You're not going to lose the game because your army is destroyed and now your base is defenceless, you're just going to be sitting out of the game for a minute or so. Getting your units killed is kinda like the sin bin in rugby.
They get the TA a little bit faster but normally all that means is that instead of screaming "Why didn't you give me TA, I only needed 15 for a nuke?!" they're screaming "Why Didn't you give me TA, I only needed 10 more for a nuke?!"Mongoose wrote:True, but don't the huge amount of points that the enemy gain while killing artillery mean that your putting your team at a disadvantage?You're not going to lose the game because your army is destroyed and now your base is defenceless, you're just going to be sitting out of the game for a minute or so. Getting your units killed is kinda like the sin bin in rugby.
Yeah that bugs me, I much prefer the Russian arty.Stark wrote: The heavy arty difference is a strange one - in a game where they take ludicrous liberties to make each side the same, the heavy arty units are TOTALLY different. The MRLS is a fine area weapon, but each missile doesn't do much by itself and the smoke trail is, as you say, a giant 'kill me I'm over here' signal. The 2s9 has a tiny trail that's easy to miss, doesn't has a cooldown where it's basically useless, and has much more splash damage. Since both sides have both rocket-type and gun-type heavy arty in reality, it seems odd to me that this is the single point of difference between the factions.
They get the TA a little bit faster but normally all that means is that instead of screaming "Why didn't you give me TA, I only needed 15 for a nuke?!" they're screaming "Why Didn't you give me TA, I only needed 10 more for a nuke?!"
Fair enough.
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