Orange Order Parades in Northern Ireland

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-12 03:39pm

I want to ask the board what they think of the Orange Order parades.

Here in Northern Ireland Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland parades are constantly re-routed and banned at the behest of a facist and undemocratic Republican movement.

On the Orange side you can agree that the GOLI have been marching these routes for hundreds of years, Nationalists moved into these areas, forcing the Protestant home owners to move by settign fire to the houses and simle death threats. They would also argue that if the Parades are so offensive why do the nationalist's go out of their way to watch the parade and not simply ignore them as it takes no more than 15 minutes for the parade to pass and that in previous years nationalist people had came out and supported the major parades.

On the nationalist side they would argue that the parades followers are offencive drunks and go out of their way to insult the nationalists in the area. The would arge that parades need re-routed to reflect modern changes in the area i.e that no protestants live in the area any more. They might also argue that many of the Loyalist bands parading providing music for the parade are of obvious paramilitary affiliation and many actually fly UVF and UDA flags.

What do you guys and gals think as this is an issue close to my heart.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-12 03:43pm

Darth Pounder wrote:What do you guys and gals think as this is an issue close to my heart.

Ireland is a beautiful country, but I'm afraid your northern section is a shit hole. Hopefully though as time goes on and the world gets more secular, this crap will go away.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-12 03:44pm

i resent that opinion, Northern Ireland is a great country

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-12 03:48pm

Darth Pounder wrote:i resent that opinion, Northern Ireland is a great country

My bad, I should clarify. The whole country is not a shithole, just those parts where you find all the shitheads who cause the problems mentioned above.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-12 03:49pm

fair enough i can accept that. But what do u reckon should the GOLI be allowed to parade or not?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-12 04:00pm

They should be directed into a huge hall (sports hall type thing) They should be given a gigantic hamster wheel. Which could be used to generate electricity for the lights.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-12 10:15pm

Let them parade. If anyone tries any shit, send in the cops with
billy clubs to leave said people trying any shit with massive
bruises and headaches (but no arrests)

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-12 11:06pm

It would be better if we could arm the victims with AK-47s. That would tell these orange order morons to shut up.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-12 11:34pm

Darth Pounder wrote:On the Orange side you can agree that the GOLI have been marching these routes for hundreds of years,

Hundreds of years ago people were burned at the stake for practicing the wrong brand of Christianity. Hundreds of years ago slavery was common. Times change and what matters is how people treat one another now, not how they treated one another hundreds of years ago. A bullet fired in 1903 can't kill anyone in 2003; a bullet fired now can kill someone alive now.

If the Orange Order wants to march then they should try to reach an agreement with the local communities through which they will be marching. No more than X number of people walking silently with roads closed for no longer than Y minutes. If no agreements can be reached then the Order should march somewhere else and disturb someone elses' peace and quiet.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-01-13 03:20am

Darth Pounder wrote:I want to ask the board what they think of the Orange Order parades.

Here in Northern Ireland Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland parades are constantly re-routed and banned at the behest of a facist and undemocratic Republican movement.

On the Orange side you can agree that the GOLI have been marching these routes for hundreds of years, Nationalists moved into these areas, forcing the Protestant home owners to move by settign fire to the houses and simle death threats. They would also argue that if the Parades are so offensive why do the nationalist's go out of their way to watch the parade and not simply ignore them as it takes no more than 15 minutes for the parade to pass and that in previous years nationalist people had came out and supported the major parades.

On the nationalist side they would argue that the parades followers are offencive drunks and go out of their way to insult the nationalists in the area. The would arge that parades need re-routed to reflect modern changes in the area i.e that no protestants live in the area any more. They might also argue that many of the Loyalist bands parading providing music for the parade are of obvious paramilitary affiliation and many actually fly UVF and UDA flags.

What do you guys and gals think as this is an issue close to my heart.

The parades are organized by a quasi-fascist group to celebrate a victory that happened over three hundred years ago and resulted in the total suppression of the Irish identity. They exist only to grind in as a reminder the continued occupation by Britain of Northern Ireland, which comes as virtue of a continuously narrowing (due to Irish Catholic population growth) fanatical-Protestant minority, primarily of Scottish origin, in what is quite possibly the most religiously devisive area of Europe above the Danube.

Indeed, Ireland would already be unified as a single Republic by popular plebiscite were it not for the fact that many fanatical Protestants fled north to Ulster rather than live in a Republic that acknowledged the Catholic fath.

These people could live in peace, but they will not, and now the inevitability seems to be of a pro-unification majority being reached by way of simple demographics, followed by, of course, unification, and then bloodshed as the Orangemen resist.

Sad, but I fear that a peaceful settlement is impossible. Certainly the actions of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (To distinguish it from the more honourable and historical one) have been consistantly and utterly despicable, as have those of its splinter groups and counterparts; but this does not excuse the Protestants in their own actions, nor the rather weak-willed action of the British government in restraining them in comparison with aggressive efforts against Catholic organizations.

Both would have to be thoroughly and genuinely suppressed for a peace, and even then the end result would only be a temporary one - As, again, the demographics will bring about reunification, and the course of the Protestants has made them unwilling to accept it, their orders crushed or not.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-13 08:46am

I can't believe people still do those moronic Orange parades, it's bloody infantile.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-13 09:24am

The orange parades have never done anyone any good and nothing has ever come from it save show how biggoted all the marchers are...if they actually stopped to THINK (Oh wait..think?..I don't think they understand the word) about the damage they are doing then maybe they would cease and in turn hostilities might....

then again I could win the lottery....twice...

'bout the same odds

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-13 03:47pm

I have been a member of the Orange Order and i concede some of the points made about biggotry. In fact one of the oaths you have to take as an Orangeman is that you cannot marry a catholic or act as god parent to a catholics child. The part about the GOLI only existing to annoy and terrify catholics i disagree with. In fact i'd go so far as to say certain members have been listening to too much IRA propaganda.

I challange any of you who have a problem with the GOLI to go to a nuteral spot in Belfast and watch the parade. It's can be a glorious celebration to Irish culture. The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold. The fact of the mater is Protestants were forced to move up North some at gun point. Nowadays they even hold parades in the Republic, Donegal to be exact and the residents there never voice a protest, in fact they come out to cheer them on.

The whole parades thing has always been a election ploy on the part of Sinn Fein/IRA and in years past parades had always been peaceful. I admit that there is a certain element looking for trouble but in my experience of parades, on the contentious Ormeau Road, the parades are well policed by members of the GOLI.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-13 03:47pm

I have been a member of the Orange Order and i concede some of the points made about biggotry. In fact one of the oaths you have to take as an Orangeman is that you cannot marry a catholic or act as god parent to a catholics child. The part about the GOLI only existing to annoy and terrify catholics i disagree with. In fact i'd go so far as to say certain members have been listening to too much IRA propaganda.

I challange any of you who have a problem with the GOLI to go to a nuteral spot in Belfast and watch the parade. It's can be a glorious celebration to Irish culture. The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold. The fact of the mater is Protestants were forced to move up North some at gun point. Nowadays they even hold parades in the Republic, Donegal to be exact and the residents there never voice a protest, in fact they come out to cheer them on.

The whole parades thing has always been a election ploy on the part of Sinn Fein/IRA and in years past parades had always been peaceful. I admit that there is a certain element looking for trouble but in my experience of parades, on the contentious Ormeau Road, the parades are well policed by members of the GOLI.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-13 03:48pm

oops a double post can a Mod deal with that please.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-13 06:54pm

didnt all this shit start when some dickhead king of england wanted a divorce, the pope said no, and the king broke from catholicism and from then on said that catholics were assholes?

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-14 12:09am

Darth Pounder wrote:The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold.

They're also loud and intrusive. No community--regardless of religion or ethnic background--should be required to accept a loud march--of any kind--past their houses.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-14 02:14pm

I would disagree that the Lamgeg Drums are intrusive. Sure they are definately loud. In the 1st Drumcree protest there were Lambeg Drummers going 24-7 for the 1st month. But they aren't exactly going deep into the areas. they do stick to main roads unless they are in the area nearest the Orange Hall. the Garvachy and Ormeau roads are main roads in the area and the houses are quite a bit back from the roads.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-01-14 02:33pm

kojikun wrote:didnt all this shit start when some dickhead king of england wanted a divorce, the pope said no, and the king broke from catholicism and from then on said that catholics were assholes?

As far as I remember this all really kicked off when Oliver Cromwell brutalised Irish rebels. That was the start. Queen Mary probably escalated it with her anti catholic monstrosities and well it just kept growing.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-14 02:46pm

Darth Pounder wrote:I have been a member of the Orange Order and i concede some of the points made about biggotry. In fact one of the oaths you have to take as an Orangeman is that you cannot marry a catholic or act as god parent to a catholics child. The part about the GOLI only existing to annoy and terrify catholics i disagree with. In fact i'd go so far as to say certain members have been listening to too much IRA propaganda.

So exactly what DO they do?

I challange any of you who have a problem with the GOLI to go to a nuteral spot in Belfast

Where the Fuck is that?

and watch the parade. It's can be a glorious celebration to Irish culture.

Are you Irish then?

The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold.

Indeed. I don't think that anyone can disagree with that.

The fact of the mater is Protestants were forced to move up North some at gun point.

This presumably echoes the many times before (which the GOLI celebrate) when Republicans were moved around at gunpoint?

Nowadays they even hold parades in the Republic, Donegal

Which is unsurpisingly close to the border...

to be exact and the residents there never voice a protest,

Would this be due to fear.

in fact they come out to cheer them on.

That is because they do not have the power to be menacing as they are elsewhere

The whole parades thing has always been a election ploy on the part of Sinn Fein/IRA and in years past parades had always been peaceful. I admit that there is a certain element looking for trouble but in my experience of parades, on the contentious Ormeau Road, the parades are well policed by members of the GOLI.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-14 03:51pm

Darth Pounder wrote:
I have been a member of the Orange Order and i concede some of the points made about biggotry. In fact one of the oaths you have to take as an Orangeman is that you cannot marry a catholic or act as god parent to a catholics child. The part about the GOLI only existing to annoy and terrify catholics i disagree with. In fact i'd go so far as to say certain members have been listening to too much IRA propaganda.

So exactly what DO they do?

I can't really tell you much about that, I swore to keep the inner workings of the order secret and even if i'm no longer a member i will keep my word.

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I challange any of you who have a problem with the GOLI to go to a nuteral spot in Belfast

Where the Fuck is that?

Any where arround Belfast City Centre or at the assembly points of the Parade.

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and watch the parade. It's can be a glorious celebration to Irish culture.

Are you Irish then?

They never claimed to be anything else. After all they call themselves the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.

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The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold.

Indeed. I don't think that anyone can disagree with that.Quote:

The fact of the mater is Protestants were forced to move up North some at gun point.

This presumably echoes the many times before (which the GOLI celebrate) when Republicans were moved around at gunpoint?

That kinda shit has been going vice-versa for years depending on the Monarch. Republicans are just a lot better trained to shout and scream about it

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Nowadays they even hold parades in the Republic, Donegal

Which is unsurpisingly close to the border...Quote:

to be exact and the residents there never voice a protest,

Would this be due to fear.Quote:

in fact they come out to cheer them on.

That is because they do not have the power to be menacing as they are elsewhere

No they are well welcomed. If there was uneasy feeling them why are there not professional Sinn Fein protests and why do we only rate 3 Guards?

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Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-14 04:28pm

Darth Pounder wrote:
So exactly what DO they do?

I can't really tell you much about that, I swore to keep the inner workings of the order secret and even if i'm no longer a member i will keep my word.

[/quote]What have they got to hide?

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I challange any of you who have a problem with the GOLI to go to a nuteral spot in Belfast

Where the Fuck is that?
Any where arround Belfast City Centre or at the assembly points of the Parade.

Assembly points? Thats an odd definition of nuteral

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and watch the parade. It's can be a glorious celebration to Irish culture.

Are you Irish then?
They never claimed to be anything else. After all they call themselves the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.

What do they have aginst the Republic of Ireland than?

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The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold.

Indeed. I don't think that anyone can disagree with that.Quote:

The fact of the mater is Protestants were forced to move up North some at gun point.

This presumably echoes the many times before (which the GOLI celebrate) when Republicans were moved around at gunpoint?
That kinda shit has been going vice-versa for years depending on the Monarch. Republicans are just a lot better trained to shout and scream about it

Are training camps for this, or does one apply by mail order?

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Nowadays they even hold parades in the Republic, Donegal

Which is unsurpisingly close to the border...Quote:

to be exact and the residents there never voice a protest,

Would this be due to fear.Quote:

in fact they come out to cheer them on.

That is because they do not have the power to be menacing as they are elsewhere
No they are well welcomed. If there was uneasy feeling them why are there not professional Sinn Fein protests and why do we only rate 3 Guards?

Are they paid for this? How are they professional? Is there a trade union associated with it or are they on temporary employment?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-14 04:38pm

Darth Pounder wrote:

So exactly what DO they do?

I can't really tell you much about that, I swore to keep the inner workings of the order secret and even if i'm no longer a member i will keep my word.

What have they got to hide?[/quote]

I can't say, i am a man of my word.

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I challange any of you who have a problem with the GOLI to go to a nuteral spot in Belfast

Where the Fuck is that?

Any where arround Belfast City Centre or at the assembly points of the Parade.

Assembly points? Thats an odd definition of nuteral

If you see them as they are before they are spat on threatened and basically before certain members lose their rag then you would see the side CNN don't let you see.

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and watch the parade. It's can be a glorious celebration to Irish culture.

Are you Irish then?

They never claimed to be anything else. After all they call themselves the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.

What do they have aginst the Republic of Ireland than?

Nothing any more. We resented that the Republic were trying to claim a united Ireland when Northern Ireland is still a British country and the majority are content for it to remain that way.

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The banners and the lambeg drums are something to behold.

Indeed. I don't think that anyone can disagree with that.Quote:

The fact of the mater is Protestants were forced to move up North some at gun point.

This presumably echoes the many times before (which the GOLI celebrate) when Republicans were moved around at gunpoint?

That kinda shit has been going vice-versa for years depending on the Monarch. Republicans are just a lot better trained to shout and scream about it

Are training camps for this, or does one apply by mail order?

No you get an all expenses paid trip to Irish/America. The Kennedy's gave the Republicans all the training, money and guns they need.

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Nowadays they even hold parades in the Republic, Donegal

Which is unsurpisingly close to the border...Quote:

to be exact and the residents there never voice a protest,

Would this be due to fear.Quote:

in fact they come out to cheer them on.

That is because they do not have the power to be menacing as they are elsewhere

No they are well welcomed. If there was uneasy feeling them why are there not professional Sinn Fein protests and why do we only rate 3 Guards?

Are they paid for this? How are they professional? Is there a trade union associated with it or are they on temporary employment

Don't be silly now. What i mean is that the kinds of ppl who come on and orchastrate the protests seen in Portadown and Belfast are not even from the area. Gerard Rice, the head of the IRA/LOCC is inface from the other side of the city and is a paid and tarined IRA trouble maker.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-01-15 11:37am

As nice as it is to honor the Order's history by marching down the similar routes the order has been marching on for hundreds of years, I think that the conflicted history of NI is one of the things that keeps the tensions brewing. If the order is intent on marching, they're better off marching in their own areas, and leaving the nationalist areas alone. If the nationalists are more intent in provoking trouble, it would be more clear cut that way than say, a column of orange order marchers going right down the street in a Nationalist part of town.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-15 01:45pm

Lately the GOLI are accepting re-routing. On my last parade last July 12th we decided not to walk down the Lower Ormeau road and instead diverted through the "Holy Lands" which is just off the Ormeau Road and away from the main nationalist population but still we were protested against.

Sinn Fein have publicaly admited they want to end all parades and have went as far as to try and organise protests as far afield as Canada.

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