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FEATURED: An Open Letter to Parents Who Bring Their Children to Extremely Violent Horror Films
Written by Anthony Burch

Dear Dad With a Doo Rag and Mother With a Halter Top and a Belly Piercing,

You may or may not recognize me: I was present at the same screening of Hostel: Part II that you and your family attended last night. I send you this letter in the hopes that you will forward it to all those who share a similar parenting style as you, in the hopes that my request be heard by as many pairs of ears as humanly possible.

I wish to address you concerning a matter of seemingly-negligible importance. Many people – including, I am sure, the both of you – might consider my complaint unnecessary, or simply selfish. Yet in the interest of decency and for the sake of your offspring, I must humbly make one simple suggestion, which you are free to take heed to or ignore at your leisure. The suggestion is this:

Stop bringing your fucking kids to horror movies.

It’d be one thing if they were twelve or thirteen. While the majority of children at that age are, indeed, douchebags, they at the very least understand what they are seeing, will only verbally react to certain parts of the film, and they are easily controllable by any parent with half a brain and a desire for silence.

Not so with your children, sir and madam. It appears that, in your infinite parenting wisdom, you saw fit to bring two kids – an approximately four year old boy and 1 year old girl – into the particular screening of Hostel: Part II I was present for.

Now before you start, I’m sure you had a reason for bringing your underaged children into a film that, essentially, equates to torture porn: I’m sure that you couldn’t find a babysitter, and you hadn’t been out together in a long time, and it was a matter of absolute necessity that you bring your young, impressionable children into the most violent film of the year.

Oh, wait – my mistake, sorry. I forgot that this screening took place on a Monday, at 8 PM in the evening. It appears that I was mistaken: not only do you not have a legitimate excuse for bringing your children to the theatre, but I’m going to venture a guess and call you a couple of selfish fucking idiots. What in God’s name made you think that bringing your two infants into a horror film was a good idea?

Ignoring the parental implications of such a choice for just a moment, let’s look at how incredibly inconsiderate it was for you to bring these two kids into the film. Firstly, the theater was dark, which means that the one-year-old was constantly crying and frightened at the flashing lights and sudden moments of darkness in the theater. This confusion, coupled with the many loud noises and tortuous screams of pain from the film’s soundtrack, prompted your children to cry and moan, repeatedly and loudly, throughout the film’s entire running time. My attempts to insert footage of actress Vera Jordanova into my mental spank bank for future reference were constantly thwarted by your child’s frequent sobs and shouts; as a result, I have, at best, three seconds of Jordanova in said bank. And they aren’t even from the scene where she’s in a bikini.

But far more irritating than my own inability to pay a great amount of attention to the plot (thankfully, Hostel: Part II doesn’t exactly have, well, any plot to speak of) was the knowledge that you, as parents, are failing your children. Not only did you decide that a fun night out for you two adults was more important than your children getting a good night’s sleep, but you also figured that you couldn’t possibly leave them in someone else’s care. You couldn’t possibly have found any other way to have a night at the movies other than abducting your children and forcing them to accompany you into a film that, for all intents and purposes, really should have been rated NC-17. Not only does it speak to your negligence as a parental figure, but also your selfishness as a human being: you honestly value your own entertainment over the health and possible mental well being of your offspring? How dare you have children in the first place?

I’m no child psychologist, but I’ve befriended one or two in my time. They’ve told me that the early years of a child’s development (say, the exact period your children are now living through) are the most important, because they learn the most and assess their environment. If it is seen to be calm, safe, and benign, the child works on developing social and intellectual skills. If the environment seems erratic or dangerous, the child develops survival skills, which can lead to sociopathy and violence. I therefore pose this question to you:

Do you think that an extremely violent horror film , full of castrations, decapitations, and copious nudity, represents a safe environment to a developing child, or a dangerous environment?

Again, I’m no child psychologist, and I’m sure that, had we had this conversation in person, you would currently be pulling out the “don’t tell me how to raise my child, this came from my womb and not yours” argument as if this were some bulletproof trump card that makes you immune from criticism, but it has to be said: you’re shitty parents, you’re shitty moviegoers, and you’re shitty human beings. Either give up your kids to someone who can properly take care for them, hire a damned babysitter every once in a while, or just don’t go to the movies.

Once more, please don’t hesitate to forward this message to every other idiotic, selfish, immature pair of moron parents who find it necessary to bring their toddlers along to the latest R-rated cinema bloodbath.

Sincerely,

Anthony Burch

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Oh, and did you have to be minorities? As a minority myself, I find it irritating that your blatant lack of intelligence perpetuates old stereotypes regarding the way brown people are said to act in movie theaters. Let it be known that I’ve talked it over with the other minorities, and we have come to the conclusion that you are no longer welcome at the meetings anymore.
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To be honest, I don't think adults should even bring themselves to a movie theatre to watch that kind of shit, never mind their kids.
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They check age for EVERYONE who goes into the movies nowadays, at least around here. Even infants, and if the kid is not old enough to see the movie, they simply do not let them in.
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I second Mike here. There's gross out horror and then there's dick measuring in how hopelessly masochistic you can be with little to no acting, plot or direction. We have violent video games for that kind of entertainment.
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I'll third the slasher-shit as too vile to even consider thinking about seeing in the first place. What's fun or entertaining about watching a film depicting people being brutally tortured and murdered for its own sake? It's irrelevant to me that it's not "real," as some people argue. I don't even like to see exceedingly graphic violence in a mainstream action film (anyone see the R-rated trailer for the new Rambo film? Gah.), but I can tolerate it if it isn't constantly a blood-fest.

I think it was Hostel 2 or one of those, where (reportedly) some members of the film production were disturbed at what they were filming. If you're starting to creep out your own film crew in a bad way, something definitely isn't right with your flick.

And I'd just as soon not let any young children into movie theatres at all, period. If they are going to be crying throughout the show, they should be at home. Sorry, mom and dad, you decided to have kids, keep them at home until they can behave better.
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I just wrote:I think it was Hostel 2 or one of those, where (reportedly) some members of the film production were disturbed at what they were filming. If you're starting to creep out your own film crew in a bad way, something definitely isn't right with your flick..
Well, this isn't exactly what I was thinking of, but here's part of an interview with Eli Roth about the making of Hostel (the first one):
Are you bracing yourself for criticism that you're just exploiting the subject matter?

Yes. Any time you make a horror movie and you have any kind of violence or sex in it, people come after you. To me it's a joke – we're not really killing anyone. It's all foam latex and make-up and food colouring. And yet you look at what the US government is doing in Iraq, killing people every day, and somehow that's socially acceptable. So I welcome it. I made this movie because I want people to think about what the fuck we're doing – where society is going in terms of exploitation and pornography. Everything in the movie is set up very carefully. Anyone who criticises this movie for exploitation, I'll find a hundred reasons to shut down their argument as to why it's there. It's no accident that these guys are American, that they are very sexist in their attitude towards women, and that the things that they feel about the girls in Eastern Europe is very much based on American fantasies and stereotypes. And everything comes back to bite them in the ass. They pay for it. People don't want to talk about the ugly side of America; people don't want to talk about the ugly side of culture and exploitation and what I'm doing is simply reflecting that - reflecting what I see going on in our culture.

How do you think America is going to react to 'Hostel'?

I think Americans are ready for a film like this. I think Americans are going to get tired of lame ass horror. I mean there's no accounting for taste - Americans might go 'why does everyone have a foreign accent?' or 'how come this isn't set in my hometown? I don't understand it.' But my feeling, and my belief, is that Americans will be so terrified by this movie that they will tell their friends not to see it, and that's the greatest compliment a horror movie can have. People will come out of this movie – they'll go to see it because of Jay Hernandez or 'Cabin Fever' – and they’ll come out so upset that they'll tell their friends that it was the most disturbing experience they've had at the movies. That it was so upsetting it gave them nightmares, so don't go see it. And that's what will make it. But hopefully people will think about it and talk about it because you want to make people stop and think. Or maybe they'll all hate it and think that it's sick. I'm sure people will say 'this is Eli getting his rocks off. He just wants to cut people up.' There's always going to be those people and there's nothing I can do about that.

But you do seem to like killing beautiful women in deeply unpleasant ways?

Yeah, but the guys get it really bad as well. Guys and girls – it's pretty equal in this film. I'm an equal opportunity torturer.

<snip crap about a director's cameo>

Is it tough filming some of the more graphic horror?

Filming the scene yesterday where Josh gets tortured, I was so upset because I'd made this actor Jan Vaslick do this to someone – he really felt bad and everyone was upset, everyone had nightmares. Filming the gore and splatter stuff is always a great time – everyone loves it and gets into it. But real torture stuff is just horrifying – it's horrible for the actors and it's horrible for the crew. But everyone believes very strongly in the project and the material.
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I fear for the future generations raised on that crap.

I like horror, but torture in films isn't entertaining. It's just sick.
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I´ve never actually seen a movie like this. Is the gore so different from splatter movie gore? I mean we laugh about exploding heads in Dawn of the Dead or 28 Days later. So i guess this torture stuff is somehow different? What is the actual difference?
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salm wrote:Ive never actually seen a movie like this. Is the gore so different from splatter movie gore? I mean we laugh about exploding heads in Dawn of the Dead or 28 Days later. So i guess this torture stuff is somehow different? What is the actual difference?
In 28 Days Later, etc., it's more "Oh no! Zombies", and the gore is really incidental to the plot. Most of the actual "horror" aspects of the movies are due to the situation.

In torture porn, the plot goes something like this: Guy meets girl in hokey situation, guy gets horribly and graphically tortured for an hour. Hijinks ensue. (Or the same, except with genders reversed.)
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Wow... And I thought the kids in the theater during We Were Soldiers was bad. What could POSSIBLY posses some parents to think that Hostel II is an okay movie to take your kids to.
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Instant Sunrise wrote:Wow... And I thought the kids in the theater during We Were Soldiers was bad. What could POSSIBLY posses some parents to think that Hostel II is an okay movie to take your kids to.
They shouldn't be parents in the first place perhaps?
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Speaking as someone who actually works in a theater, this happens a lot and we all wish we could stop it. Unfortunately, the general idiocy of the MPAA rating system combined with corporate cinemas' refusal to show films with NC-17 ratings effectively handcuffs us from limiting access to these films to anyone beyond 11-16 year olds who get dropped of in big unaccompanied groups and always try to get in to whatever the hardest R we have at the moment.
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Personally, Torture porn isn't my taste. I don't care if someone actually likes it. That's fine. However, if anyone is fucking stupid enough to bring a 1 year old and a four year old to fucking Hostel? I swear, some people need a license to breed.

I mean, some woman took her 1 year old into I, Robot. I didn't notice until she walked out with him crying in her arms, but I thought the 5 year old right behind me was bad enough. And that was only PG-13.
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Davis 51 wrote:I mean, some woman took her 1 year old into I, Robot. I didn't notice until she walked out with him crying in her arms, but I thought the 5 year old right behind me was bad enough. And that was only PG-13.
I, Robot is really quite tame. It could have merely been the loud noises that frightened those kids. The action is frenetic, but the gore is minimal. But as I said before, if one's kids can't handle going to a theater and not carrying on, sorry, keep 'em home. And I'm not blaming the kids. I doubt a movie like I, Robot is appropriate for any child so young. What's wrong with taking kids to actual kids' movies?
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When I saw the last Harry Potter movie with my parents. The couple behind us brought in what looked to be a 3 year old and a 1 year old. The one year old kept getting agitated and crying (gee, loud noises and flashes. I wonder why) and the mother kept telling her to be quiet and getting very angry at her when she wouldn't. One year old's don't understand the concept of quiet. Stupid people.

Systems like the New Zealand or Norwegian ones seem a hell of a lot more sensible than the one in the US. The New Zealand has a G, PG, R13, R16, and R18, where the number is the minimum age of entry. Apparently you also get RP13, RP16, and RP18, meaning that people under the restricted age can go if accompanied by an adult, but I haven't seen any of those around. The Norwegians have the age limits of family (everyone), 7, 11, 15 and 18. If a child is accompanying their parent, those limits drop to 4, 7, and 12 (18 is still 18 ).

Some theaters are starting to have showings specifically for people with small children. These tend to be more adult oriented in content, but nothing that would be considered disturbing for small kids.
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I personally have no problems with graphic violence. However, I do have a problem with movies like Hostel or the infamous Guinea Pig series because of how realistic the gore is. Watching both of those, I was retching halfway through, while the Rambo trailer barely made me flinch. I just don't know what the fuck goes on in the head of someone who actually tries to make realistic depictions of death.
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Doller signs. Gore sells, so I can definatly understand why they make movies like that. The real question is why anyone would want to watch it.
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Davis 51 wrote:I mean, some woman took her 1 year old into I, Robot. I didn't notice until she walked out with him crying in her arms, but I thought the 5 year old right behind me was bad enough. And that was only PG-13.
I, Robot is really quite tame. It could have merely been the loud noises that frightened those kids. The action is frenetic, but the gore is minimal. But as I said before, if one's kids can't handle going to a theater and not carrying on, sorry, keep 'em home. And I'm not blaming the kids. I doubt a movie like I, Robot is appropriate for any child so young. What's wrong with taking kids to actual kids' movies?
Well, relatively, it's tame, but still pretty intense for a 5 year old.

More over, a one year old can't even understand what's going on in a movie. So what's so fucking hard about finding a babysitter.
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Davis 51 wrote:
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Davis 51 wrote:I mean, some woman took her 1 year old into I, Robot. I didn't notice until she walked out with him crying in her arms, but I thought the 5 year old right behind me was bad enough. And that was only PG-13.
I, Robot is really quite tame. It could have merely been the loud noises that frightened those kids. The action is frenetic, but the gore is minimal. But as I said before, if one's kids can't handle going to a theater and not carrying on, sorry, keep 'em home. And I'm not blaming the kids. I doubt a movie like I, Robot is appropriate for any child so young. What's wrong with taking kids to actual kids' movies?
Well, relatively, it's tame, but still pretty intense for a 5 year old.

More over, a one year old can't even understand what's going on in a movie. So what's so fucking hard about finding a babysitter.
I'm going to link it to the arbitrary fear of pedophiles that a lot of parent groups have been throwing around.

Because both those things bug me about equally, they must be related.
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Anti-Porn fundies using this as ammunition in five, four...

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Zor wrote:Anti-Porn fundies using this as ammunition in five, four...

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You know, it's starting to seem to me almost like it might not be a bad idea to make people pass some kind of basic fitness test before they're allowed to raise a child.

I mean, seriously, we have tests for driving a car and operating heavy machinery, but every dumbass and nutcase in existance can have a child to fuck up.
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The obvious problem with that is what you do with the children who are born to such people, and what, if anything, you do to try to prevent them from having children. Orphanages and foster parents are a big enough problem as is.

Never mind the public objections to the idea, of course.
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If a child isn't going to understand (and enjoy) the movie they shouldn't be there, regardless if it's torture porn or bambi. Theaters should have a minimum age too.
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A local theater had signs up saying they wouldn't let anyone under 17 in to see the raunchy R-rated comedy Superbad, but they've never had any such signs for the Hostel films or the like.

I guess crayon drawings of penises are more damaging to a child's psyche than seeing people getting their toes snipped off with garden shears.
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