Protecting God and his holy copyright from dirty atheist

[Zixinus]

I recall that there are some legit biologist that are creationist.

Under "legit" I mean biologist that have record of high education in biology.

[Darth Wong]

When most people say "doctor", it is assumed that they're talking about a doctorate from a respectable educational institution, not something you got out of a CrackerJack box

I recall that there was another creationist that was in fact a doctor. A doctor of philosophy.

And there's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who's got a doctorate in astronomy.

And even respectable education fail sometimes. Or worse, the person does actually know his shit but still vomits bullshit anyway. I recall that there are some legit biologist that are creationist.

Trust me, no one with a PhD in biology would say the things that Hovind says. When you look at his arguments, they sound like the sort of things a high school kid would say.

[Setesh]

Unless he's a Doctor of Bullshitting, I'm not sure how that works.

My guess exactly. I say that it is possible that he is, in fact, a doctor, just not of anything that would actually require him to think. Religious studies or something like that, whatever he can get with good old nepotism and "protection due to family", something where his mental retardation is not a problem but an asset.

Kent Hovind's 'education' is silly at best, fraud at worst.
1972-74 he attended the Midwestern Baptist College, which is an unaccredited religious college, they gave him a Bachelor of Religious Education (B.R.E.)
1988 he received a Masters of Religious Education (M.R.E.) via a correspondence course from Patriot University.
1991 they sent him a Doctorate of Religious Education

Patriot University was a rather seedy diploma mill that eventually moved to a different city and changed their name to Patriot Bible University.

Hovind despite what he may believe is not qualified to teach anything. He was hired for a time by a private school, but lacks the teaching credentials a public school would requires. (Since private schools are exempt from many of the laws governing who can teach classes, it was Hovind's only chance to ever get hired. A public school requires a state issued teaching license and degrees from accredited sources.)

That said the school (and Hovind's less than legal 'ministry') refuse to give out copies of his dissertation. (Despite long standing practice of real uni's to file them in public libraries for research purposes. Some have seen it and described it a 'laughable'.

People who have read his dissertation say it is "incomplete," not of academic standard, poorly written, and contains the grammatical errors of a high school level student. The lack of quality was described, in part, by the fact that "the pages are not numbered; there is no title; of sixteen or so chapters in the index only the first four are finished; misspellings are rampant ("Immerged" for emerged and "epic" for epoch are two examples); and the single illustration was apparently cut out of a science book with scissors and fastened to the thesis with glue or tape."

Note-While I don't normally quote wikipedia due to chance of inaccuracy, in this case they are far more accurate and honest than Kent himself. The funny thing is I was looking up Patriot University and Kent is used as evidence of their diploma mill status.

[Darth Wong]

If someone came here and posted arguments of similar quality to the excerpts I've seen from Hovind's "thesis", we would all assume he's a high school kid. Probably a junior.

[Zixinus]

And there's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who's got a doctorate in astronomy.

Which proves that you don't have to be uneducated to be an idiot. Unless you are telling me that no one with a Ph.D. can be an idiot.

Trust me, no one with a PhD in biology would say the things that Hovind says. When you look at his arguments, they sound like the sort of things a high school kid would say.

Not Hovind. I recall that there was a guy with a valid biology diploma that chose the easier life of a crackpot then doing actual scientific work.

[Darth Wong]

And there's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who's got a doctorate in astronomy.

Which proves that you don't have to be uneducated to be an idiot. Unless you are telling me that no one with a Ph.D. can be an idiot.

It is possible for someone with a PhD from a good university to be incompetent or dishonest, relative to the standard of his profession. However, it is impossible to get a PhD from a good school if you are so fucking stupid that you can't write academic papers. You are failing to take the relative notion of incompetence into account. Even the infamous BYU 9/11 conspiracy theorist prof's bullshit paper is far and away superior to anything Hovind has ever written.

Not Hovind. I recall that there was a guy with a valid biology diploma that chose the easier life of a crackpot then doing actual scientific work.

A biology diploma is easy to get. A doctorate from a good school is considerably more difficult. You are either ignorant of the work required to get a real PhD or you are being dishonest here.

[Zixinus]

A doctorate from a good school is considerably more difficult. You are either ignorant of the work required to get a real PhD or you are being dishonest here.

I don't know how the English adademy system works. Blame me.

[Darth Wong]

A doctorate from a good school is considerably more difficult. You are either ignorant of the work required to get a real PhD or you are being dishonest here.

I don't know how the English adademy system works. Blame me.

For starters, a biology diploma doesn't even come from a university, which hands out degrees. You normally get a diploma from what we call a "community college". And in any kind of educational system, those who achieve its highest level obviously must meet some kind of standard; this honestly did not occur to you? You honestly believe that academic achievement is totally worthless as a determinant of ability?

[OmegaGuy]

Well many intelligent people are too poor to go to college

[Darth Wong]

Well many intelligent people are too poor to go to college

How the fuck does that refute anything I said?

[OmegaGuy]

I wasn't trying to refute it, I was just making a comment. Although it probably was unnecessary.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Ars Technica believes that CSE perjured itself in filing the DMCA takedowns.

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[Zixinus]

You honestly believe that academic achievement is totally worthless as a determinant of ability?

Ability? Yes. Honesty and integrity? No.

[Zixinus]

Ability? Yes. Honesty and integrity? No.

Let me rephrase that.

Does a public document of high education proof of ability in that field educated in? Yes, it is.

It is proof of integrity and honesty? No. Is it proof that the person will not abuse the knowledge gained? No.