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Well while double bladed lightsabers (like the one Darth Maul used) aren't that practical (even in universe where they're discribed as hard and dangerous to use and actually limiting the wielder), reling on the "oh shit" factor more then the atributes of the actual weapon. The jedi are as I said extremly traditional so it makes sence for them to have stuff like lightsabers and since the style combat jedi generally had engage in before the clone wars didn't force them to change to those traditions
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Lord Revan wrote:Well while double bladed lightsabers (like the one Darth Maul used) aren't that practical (even in universe where they're discribed as hard and dangerous to use and actually limiting the wielder), reling on the "oh shit" factor more then the atributes of the actual weapon. The jedi are as I said extremly traditional so it makes sence for them to have stuff like lightsabers and since the style combat jedi generally had engage in before the clone wars didn't force them to change to those traditions
How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
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DarthShady wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Well while double bladed lightsabers (like the one Darth Maul used) aren't that practical (even in universe where they're discribed as hard and dangerous to use and actually limiting the wielder), reling on the "oh shit" factor more then the atributes of the actual weapon. The jedi are as I said extremly traditional so it makes sence for them to have stuff like lightsabers and since the style combat jedi generally had engage in before the clone wars didn't force them to change to those traditions
How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
Well it's not me who's saying it, it was in the Darth Bane novel and it was lightsaber intructor who said it, I can dig up the quotes if you want them.
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DarthShady wrote: How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
Staff combat techniques involve bringing the staff to your body, something that's impossible with a two bladed lightsabre.
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DarthShady wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Well while double bladed lightsabers (like the one Darth Maul used) aren't that practical (even in universe where they're discribed as hard and dangerous to use and actually limiting the wielder), reling on the "oh shit" factor more then the atributes of the actual weapon. The jedi are as I said extremly traditional so it makes sence for them to have stuff like lightsabers and since the style combat jedi generally had engage in before the clone wars didn't force them to change to those traditions
How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
Don't think of it so much as an indication that it is practical as an indication that Maul might have had an ego the size of a small moon.

After all, he's a Sith, isn't he? It's a common trait, from what I know.
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DogsOfWar wrote:In the words of Miss Swan, "They're more like guidelines anyway" :wink:
okay. thank you.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:
DarthShady wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Well while double bladed lightsabers (like the one Darth Maul used) aren't that practical (even in universe where they're discribed as hard and dangerous to use and actually limiting the wielder), reling on the "oh shit" factor more then the atributes of the actual weapon. The jedi are as I said extremly traditional so it makes sence for them to have stuff like lightsabers and since the style combat jedi generally had engage in before the clone wars didn't force them to change to those traditions
How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
Don't think of it so much as an indication that it is practical as an indication that Maul might have had an ego the size of a small moon.

After all, he's a Sith, isn't he? It's a common trait, from what I know.
actually it's more that he had skill to use it, but still it doesn't make double sabers practical.
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It would be like killing someone with a paper fan. If you can do it, good for you, but that doesn't make it any less impractical.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:It would be like killing someone with a paper fan. If you can do it, good for you, but that doesn't make it any less impractical.
Yeah, pretty much nailed it.
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DarthShady wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Well while double bladed lightsabers (like the one Darth Maul used) aren't that practical (even in universe where they're discribed as hard and dangerous to use and actually limiting the wielder), reling on the "oh shit" factor more then the atributes of the actual weapon. The jedi are as I said extremly traditional so it makes sence for them to have stuff like lightsabers and since the style combat jedi generally had engage in before the clone wars didn't force them to change to those traditions
How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
Just because you can defeat someone with a weapon doesn't make it practical.

Mr. Smith kills highly-trained government assassins with carrots, but that doesn't make carrots practical weapons.

Usage of a staff-like weapon like the double-bladed lightsaber often calls for fighting with your hands widely spaced, gripping the weapon halfway down its length; see Grievous' Magna Guards for an example of proper staff fighting. Can't do that with a lightsaber. Maul's style and weapon deliberately limited his combat ability, and he probably would have been better off with two infidivdual lightsabers or a single blade.
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Speaking of Jedi tactics, from what I saw from the movies and CW cartoons, the Jedi "Generals" seem to have a tendancy to act more like lieutenants or sergeants, rather than actual generals. Perhaps the novels showed it in a different light though?

As to the GR vs NJO and their stance on blasters, I could see the NJO being more comfortable with it. As it was pointed out, Luke himself had a blaster up to the Thrawn Trilogy, and while he seemed to go far more lightsaber exclusive later on in life, I don't think he'd totally forgo a blaster either. It would seem that, because several of them were adults who fought with blasters and the like before they became Jedi (Luke, Corran, and Kyle come to mind) they certainly know the utility of the weapon, so I doubt the "uncivilized" view of blasters held by Kenobi (and possibly most of the GR-era Jedi) would have taken hold in the NJO. Granted they tended to stick with their lightsabers as well, but as Star by Star showed they still knew how to use blasters.
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Lord Revan wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:
DarthShady wrote: How can you say that Darth Mauls double bladed lightsaber isn't practical,when he managed to defeat two jedi with it.
I know he lost the fight but that was pure luck for the jedi.
Don't think of it so much as an indication that it is practical as an indication that Maul might have had an ego the size of a small moon.

After all, he's a Sith, isn't he? It's a common trait, from what I know.
actually it's more that he had skill to use it, but still it doesn't make double sabers practical.
I see what you mean.Although Darth Maul had the skill to use the lightsaber that doesn't mean that its easy to use.
I guess thats why double bladed lightsabers are so rare.
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I was wondering if anybody could shed light on a passage I found in the Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith TPB, where the Krath War Droid that killed Arca Jeth is destroyed by 'a Jedi Blaster quickly dispatches the assassin', and it shows a blue blaster bolt burning right through a Krath War Droid. Apparently, Jedi had (and knew how to use) blasters as early as the Conclave on Deneba in 3997 BBY. Does anybody know of any other cases of ancient Jedi using blasters? The only one I can recall is that Freedon Nadd had a personal blaster that according to it's description from KOTOR II (where it can be found in Freedon Nadd's tomb) it was 'a vile ranged weapon with a bronze surface which "has killed more Jedi than any lightsaber."
Now I know that Freedon Nadd was a Jedi orignally but he had been dead for centuries at that time. Did the Jedi from his time also have blasters?
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Warsie wrote:Just the Jedi code requires that they get close to see their enemies and fight them more personally (Jedi leading fighter groups; rarely staying on the Venators and Victories but leaving that to Republic generals and admirals)
If that was the case, then Master Yoda certainly broke the Jedi code on Kashyyyk.
Why is this any different than normal for Yoda? He did the same thing on Geonosis. Remember, he's the most powerful of all the Jedi Masters and while being a formidable combatant, his long experience and Force powers are far better used hanging at the back and directing his troops. Battle Meditation is a very powerful ability that requires the Jedi to remain away from the frontline. Besides, as the Clone Wars cartoon series has shown, when he needs to be on the front line, he doesn't slack off at all.
That's totally irrelevant. Where in the Jedi code does it explicitly indicate what specific roles the Jedi should take in a battle?
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