Which scenes would you like to see redone in newer CG?

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2007-09-23 01:05pm

Title is pretty much straightforward. What scenes from the OT (if any) would you like to see redone (or slightly changed) with newer CG?

I would hope that horrible abortion of an attempt at re-editing Han dodging that blaster bolt in ANH is remade or cut completely.

That and the Space Battle of Endor.

DogsOfWar · Post by **DogsOfWar** » 2007-09-23 01:31pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:I would hope that horrible abortion of an attempt at re-editing Han dodging that blaster bolt in ANH is remade or cut completely.

Seconded. They should put it back the way it was originally.

I'd also like to see them fix all of the lightsabers in ANH, they didn't do a very good job the first time they touched them up.

When Han shoots the TIE fighter in the DS trench, they could make that explosion less cartoon-ish.

And one last nitpick: the lightsabers in the DS2 duel. They look weird in some scenes and they put shadows on the floor (I think that might have been explained somehow, but it still looks bad).

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-09-23 01:32pm

Battle of Hoth
Battle of Yavin
Battle of Endor
Any and all scenes involving an active lightsabre in some way or another.

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » 2007-09-23 01:55pm

Basically fix-up the main battles (I actually quite like the lightsaber sequences more in the OT than the PT, they seem more 'real' for obvious reasons), but with emphasis on Endor. In comparison to the PT it's looking very tired - much more firepower needs to be evident. I also think the death of the Executor is a bit of a Deus Ex Machina, so modify that slightly to make it more believable.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-23 02:21pm

OK, I'll jump on the bandwagon and agree that "Han shoots first"

I don't know if this counts as "being re-done" (especially since the Battle of Endor still looks impressive even after 24 years) but it would be nice to see the Rebel fleet hammering on the Executor, if nothing else, to put an end to the "A-wings can take out Star Destroyers" bullshit.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-09-23 02:25pm

The Battle of Endor. If there was something very much lacking, is the lack of turbolaser bolts flying around.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-09-23 04:38pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:The Battle of Endor. If there was something very much lacking, is the lack of turbolaser bolts flying around.

Dito, just because it can be reasoned that the Imps we're "Holding back" doesn't mean we shouldn't se massive bolts of doom flying fro the Rebles.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-09-23 04:43pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:The Battle of Endor. If there was something very much lacking, is the lack of turbolaser bolts flying around.
Dito, just because it can be reasoned that the Imps we're "Holding back" doesn't mean we shouldn't se massive bolts of doom flying fro the Rebles.

And that is in fact one of the most contentious issue with the Battle of Endor, and the byzantine litany of possible reasonings that give me the shiver.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2007-09-23 11:28pm

None of them. I'd accept a reversion to the original Han-Greedo tussle, though.

PayBack · Post by **PayBack** » 2007-09-24 09:29am

I'd like to see the Ewoks wiped out and the rebellion crushed.

Hey you did say we could make changes

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-24 12:04pm

Personally i would like to see the destruction of Endor.
It would be interesting to see the deathstar in action with modern special effects.

I'd like to see the Ewoks wiped out and the rebellion crushed.

Me too.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-24 12:27pm

DarthShady wrote:Personally i would like to see the destruction of Endor.
It would be interesting to see the deathstar in action with modern special effects.

Don't even need the Death Star. Just alter the ending to include the Endor holocaust.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-09-24 01:03pm

Oh shit, I completely forgot; the destruction of Alderaan, and any Death Star-death explosions.

There's just something about them that doesn't seem to have any real dramatic value to me. Almost like they're just too sudden or something. I dunno.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-24 04:31pm

Ryan Thunder wrote:Oh shit, I completely forgot; the destruction of Alderaan, and any Death Star-death explosions.

There's just something about them that doesn't seem to have any real dramatic value to me. Almost like they're just too sudden or something. I dunno.

What? You want to make them chain reaction weapons? If any changes are made, take out the stupid rings.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-09-24 04:35pm

Hell no. I just want it to be a bit more dramatic than *ZOOM-BANG* --Alderaan is replaced by massive explosion--

You know, Superlaser hits, blows massive hole, hits core, planet explodes violently, sends (relatively) tiny chunks everywhere.

It doesn't have to take very long. Half a second or less will do.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-09-24 05:23pm

Ryan Thunder wrote:Hell no. I just want it to be a bit more dramatic than *ZOOM-BANG* --Alderaan is replaced by massive explosion--

You know, Superlaser hits, blows massive hole, hits core, planet explodes violently, sends (relatively) tiny chunks everywhere.

It doesn't have to take very long. Half a second or less will do.

Um, you DO realize this would make the power output of the DS Weaker don't you?

The fact that it virtually INSTANTLY Destroys the planet to NOTHING, no debries no remaisn means the Power it has is Staggering.. By "slowing down" the explosion means its far less and migth even be some goofy chain reaction\

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-09-24 05:30pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:Hell no. I just want it to be a bit more dramatic than *ZOOM-BANG* --Alderaan is replaced by massive explosion--

You know, Superlaser hits, blows massive hole, hits core, planet explodes violently, sends (relatively) tiny chunks everywhere.

It doesn't have to take very long. Half a second or less will do.
Um, you DO realize this would make the power output of the DS Weaker don't you?

The fact that it virtually INSTANTLY Destroys the planet to NOTHING, no debries no remaisn means the Power it has is Staggering.. By "slowing down" the explosion means its far less and migth even be some goofy chain reaction\

Yes. I do realize that. I'm not talking about the technical ramifications, I'm talking about what would be cool.

And who says that doing something besides replace the planet with a massive cheesy 1970's 'splosion would reduce the power? All it has to do is lend the impression that its actually blowing the planet apart, not just disappearing it from the screen.

Darth Holbytlan · Post by **Darth Holbytlan** » 2007-09-24 05:31pm

Han shoots first is a gimme.

Delete the added bodily-function humor in the Tatooine background scenes. Actually, delete any added kiddie humor.

Don't interrupt the Hyperspace musical sequence (Falcon turns back to Cloud City to Falcon escapes) with Imperial March when Vader returns to the Executor. (Not really a CG change, but it was my favorite sequence before they screwed with it.)

No stupid rings around the explosions.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-24 05:58pm

Ryan Thunder wrote:I'm not talking about the technical ramifications, I'm talking about what would be cool.

Thats what got us those idiotic rings in the first place.

And who says that doing something besides replace the planet with a massive cheesy 1970's 'splosion would reduce the power? All it has to do is lend the impression that its actually blowing the planet apart, not just disappearing it from the screen.

Every other version to date doesn't have it "disapperaing it from the screen". It has debris scattered all across the screen.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-09-24 06:27pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:I'm not talking about the technical ramifications, I'm talking about what would be cool.
Thats what got us those idiotic rings in the first place.

And who says that doing something besides replace the planet with a massive cheesy 1970's 'splosion would reduce the power? All it has to do is lend the impression that its actually blowing the planet apart, not just disappearing it from the screen.
Every other version to date doesn't have it "disapperaing it from the screen". It has debris scattered all across the screen.

Funny, I've got the new ones too, and all I see is the planetary shield resist the superlaser for a fraction of a second, as described by Mike, and then the planet just fades over a couple of frames, replaced by an explosion that is clearly a magnified version of a much smaller one that is of the wrong scale.

I have the same problem with the shots where the Death Stars explode.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-09-24 06:28pm

No rings from explosions - but I would change the explosion sequences. Something like, say, the destruction of Earth from Titan AE would fit nicely - something to give a real sense of horror to the destruction.

Han shoots first.

Take out the Ewoks, make them Wookiees like they were supposed to be, damnit. Leave Wicket W. Warrick in, make him a Wookiee cub - hey, every movie needs a precocious child supergenius, doesn't it?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-24 07:13pm

Molyneux wrote:No rings from explosions - but I would change the explosion sequences. Something like, say, the destruction of Earth from Titan AE would fit nicely - something to give a real sense of horror to the destruction.

Titan AE was another of those idiotic chain reaction weapons.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-09-24 07:21pm

I think it's funny that a simple 'they blew the planet up' isn't 'sci fi' enough for kiddies these days. Let's have... lightning bolts everywhere! Make the world spin around like a top! Then, like demons raping people for PURE HORROR! Then it explodes, but in slow mo so you can watch Ben Afflect get blown into space!

I think the 'bang, you're dead' nature of the Alderaan attack is fucking brilliant. The only thing I'd even think about adding would be a more violent momentary flash from the shields as they vainly try to deflect the beam, but I wouldn't make the explosion any more complex or longer than it is now.

DogsOfWar · Post by **DogsOfWar** » 2007-09-24 08:35pm

I agree, keep the explosion the same length. Maybe touch up the appearance of the debris cloud, and fix the DS superlaser so it doesn't look drawn in.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-09-24 10:19pm

Stark wrote:I think it's funny that a simple 'they blew the planet up' isn't 'sci fi' enough for kiddies these days. Let's have... lightning bolts everywhere! Make the world spin around like a top! Then, like demons raping people for PURE HORROR! Then it explodes, but in slow mo so you can watch Ben Afflect get blown into space!

I think the 'bang, you're dead' nature of the Alderaan attack is fucking brilliant. The only thing I'd even think about adding would be a more violent momentary flash from the shields as they vainly try to deflect the beam, but I wouldn't make the explosion any more complex or longer than it is now.

No lightning bolts, demons, spinning, or any other such stupidity is required. Just a fucking huge crater as the beam affects the planet.

Actually animate it rather than just substituting a real, obviously scaled-up explosion. It doesn't need to be longer.