A different sort of pedophillia thread

[Broomstick]

Paedophiles' brains 'different'

Intriguing for a couple of reasons. First of all, if pedophillia really does have a biological basis it could certainly explain why it is so resistant to change. Of course, even if they're made that way we can't allow them to act on their impulses because of the damage it would cause their victims.

Second, this raises the possibility that there might one day be a treatment, if not an actual cure. While most of what we hear about these people involves criminals, there are probably many who have these impulses but resist acting on them. If there was a way to diminish their deviant impulses that would seem to be a good thing. It can't possibly be pleasent to have criminal sexual desires.

Of course, this is just one study and it could be a long, long road between this and an actual treatment.

[drachefly]

I've heard of a few fairly effective treatments, for those who really don't want to have those urges.

One was known as satiation therapy. Get them to stop obsessing over naked kids because they've seen so many damned pictures of naked kids it's gotten boring.

A bit like the therapy in clockwork orange, but without the poison and the eyelid clamps.

But I'm not a specialist, I've just read one writing on the subject.

[Darth Wong]

There's also some evidence that violent sociopathic criminal behaviour has a genetic component. Unfortunately, our whole notion of social justice is tied up with "good vs evil" and "free will", and has no way of dealing with these kinds of revelations. If we adopted a more philosophically streamlined notion of social justice in which criminal responsibility was considered more of a social engineering requirement, then this would not be necessary.

[Zixinus]

I thought it was an electric shock whenever the paedophile gets aroused by naked children pictures.

[Molyneux]

I thought it was an electric shock whenever the paedophile gets aroused by naked children pictures.

That is closer to the Clockwork Orange bit.

[Frank Hipper]

Any pedophile who knows how to jerk off need never to rape a child.

[drachefly]

Well, that's aversion therapy. It has the problem that the patient can very easily just become averse to the treatments themselves and not the subject of treatment.

[Broomstick]

Any pedophile who knows how to jerk off need never to rape a child.

Well, there is the problem of people who are attracted only to children. Perhaps jerking off and fantasy would be sufficient to keep them from criminal acts (I know of at least one instance where a man with such tendencies told his family he never wanted to be alone with a child, never dated, lived alone, etc. and, to the best of anyone's knowledge, never touched a child). However, even as a woman I am aware that most men find masturbation not wholly satisfying as a sexual outlet. You're basically demanding they live celebate lives. Possible? Yes. Difficult? Also yes. Finding a means to diminish their criminal impulses can only be a kindness both in relieving their distress as well as making it easier for them to resist temptation.

Supposedly, there have been men who have asked to be castrated to diminish their pedephillic impulses. Anything distressing enough to lead a man to ask for his balls to be cut off is a pretty major brain cramp in my view. Even worse, because castration has only mixed results for sexual offenders. I'd far rather find a less drastic and more reliable means to help these people avoid damaging actions to either themselves or others.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Any pedophile who knows how to jerk off need never to rape a child.

I agree, which is why I think shota/lolicon hentai shouldn't be considered child pornography (As ruled by the 2002 SCOTUS, but once again criminalized by everyones good friend George W with the Amber Alert Law in 2003), since as cartoons they aren't real children and it gives paedophiles a safe outlet.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

Any pedophile who knows how to jerk off need never to rape a child.

Well, there is the problem of people who are attracted only to children. Perhaps jerking off and fantasy would be sufficient to keep them from criminal acts (I know of at least one instance where a man with such tendencies told his family he never wanted to be alone with a child, never dated, lived alone, etc. and, to the best of anyone's knowledge, never touched a child). However, even as a woman I am aware that most men find masturbation not wholly satisfying as a sexual outlet. You're basically demanding they live celebate lives. Possible? Yes. Difficult? Also yes. Finding a means to diminish their criminal impulses can only be a kindness both in relieving their distress as well as making it easier for them to resist temptation.

Supposedly, there have been men who have asked to be castrated to diminish their pedephillic impulses. Anything distressing enough to lead a man to ask for his balls to be cut off is a pretty major brain cramp in my view. Even worse, because castration has only mixed results for sexual offenders. I'd far rather find a less drastic and more reliable means to help these people avoid damaging actions to either themselves or others.

Only mixed results? What the heck I'm pretty sure if I'd had my balls chopped off I wouldn't want to fuck anybody. They seriously can't stop their urgest without balls? Good grief!

[Masami von Weizegger]

Of course not. It's a mental disorder, not a pure sexual orientation. Of course, it varies and so voluntary castration can help but you don't need your balls to touch children inappropriately. Besides, I don't think most cases of pedephillic activity involves actual intercourse.

There have been cases of rapists attacking women even after such measures were taken against them because it's mostly a mental problem, not a scrotum based one.

There's a connection, of course, and the impulse may diminish but it can't usually be wiped out just by a snip.

[Solauren]

I wonder if brain surgery would be a possible solution.

Is it possible, surgerically or chemically, to complete remove someone's sexual impulses?

[Broomstick]

Yes, it's true - castration does not always put a stop to sexual assault. Even total removal of all genetalia does not guarantee it, as criminals have been known to use inanimate objects to penetrate victims, sometimes with crippling or lethal results.

Sex isn't just about hormones - a lot of it really does take place between the ears.

So while castration will discourage sexual behavior it doesn't always eliminate it.

[Broomstick]

I wonder if brain surgery would be a possible solution.

Is it possible, surgerically or chemically, to complete remove someone's sexual impulses?

Not reliably.

Castrati - men castrated prior to puberty to preserve their children's voices for performance - were sometimes quite active lovers of women (or men, or other things). Transexuals can engage in intercourse and at least some claim to experience orgasm despite both surgical and chemical alteration of their bodies.

Brain surgery? Wow - I don't think anyone has located just one locus of sexuality in the brain. I suspect that in order to eliminate sexual impulses that way you'd wind up with a very messed up brain.

[Darth Wong]

Yes, it's true - castration does not always put a stop to sexual assault. Even total removal of all genetalia does not guarantee it, as criminals have been known to use inanimate objects to penetrate victims, sometimes with crippling or lethal results.

I remember one very disturbing case of some asshole who tried to rape a small girl, but she was so small that his penis wouldn't fit. So he raped her with a knife Fucking asshole didn't even get life behind bars.

[Molyneux]

Any pedophile who knows how to jerk off need never to rape a child.

I agree, which is why I think shota/lolicon hentai shouldn't be considered child pornography (As ruled by the 2002 SCOTUS, but once again criminalized by everyones good friend George W with the Amber Alert Law in 2003), since as cartoons they aren't real children and it gives paedophiles a safe outlet.

Well. That's a bit of a shock...I had been under the impression that the PROTECT Act had been struck down. I've seen a few images like that by accident (while browsing image sites for other material), and I wasn't aware that it was a criminal offense.

[Molyneux]

Any pedophile who knows how to jerk off need never to rape a child.

I agree, which is why I think shota/lolicon hentai shouldn't be considered child pornography (As ruled by the 2002 SCOTUS, but once again criminalized by everyones good friend George W with the Amber Alert Law in 2003), since as cartoons they aren't real children and it gives paedophiles a safe outlet.

Well. That's a bit of a shock...I had been under the impression that the PROTECT Act had been struck down. I've seen a few images like that by accident (while browsing image sites for other material), and I wasn't aware that it was a criminal offense.

Sorry to double-post, but to clarify: I was referring to drawn material. It crops up on image boards now and then.

[Lord Revan]

If a pedophile can somehow control his/her impulses and view child porn and/or rape children, thru treatment(s) it would be nice

but if they can't IMHO only viable solution would to use their brains to repaint the room they're in.

is this brutal, yes. Is this more then they deserve, well that's debatable but I think it's not.

[Lord of the Abyss]

If a pedophile can somehow control his/her impulses and view child porn and/or rape children, thru treatment(s) it would be nice

but if they can't IMHO only viable solution would to use their brains to repaint the room they're in.

is this brutal, yes. Is this more then they deserve, well that's debatable but I think it's not.

Of course it's harsher than they deserve, if they can't control themselves. You can't hold someone to blame for something they can't stop. And killing someone because they can't stop doing something is far worse than they deserve, when we can simply restrain them instead.

And a policy of "shoot 'em all" might make you feel all tough and manly, but it will just make the problem worse. Nobody's going to turn themselves in or surrender if they think they'll be shot for doing so.

[Lord Revan]

If a pedophile can somehow control his/her impulses and view child porn and/or rape children, thru treatment(s) it would be nice

but if they can't IMHO only viable solution would to use their brains to repaint the room they're in.

is this brutal, yes. Is this more then they deserve, well that's debatable but I think it's not.

Of course it's harsher than they deserve, if they can't control themselves. You can't hold someone to blame for something they can't stop. And killing someone because they can't stop doing something is far worse than they deserve, when we can simply restrain them instead.

And a policy of "shoot 'em all" might make you feel all tough and manly, but it will just make the problem worse. Nobody's going to turn themselves in or surrender if they think they'll be shot for doing so.

well if they can't control themselves, the only other viable option is life long prison sentence, since we can't sure as hell just ignore them can we and just to make things clear I am talking about people who actually rare children not not some some guy who wanks off to pictures of (nude) children.

and btw I don't need any killing fantasies to feel "manly" as you put, I just think people who rare children deserve no mercy.

sure if we can "cure" them that's of course always the prefered way.

[Broomstick]

well if they can't control themselves, the only other viable option is life long prison sentence

True.

There is a problem with this? You are aware that there are people object to capital punishment on moral grounds?

In the US, because of the cost of legal proceedings and exhausting appeals, sometimes it can actually cost more to execute someone than to imprison them for life.

since we can't sure as hell just ignore them can we and just to make things clear I am talking about people who actually rare children not not some some guy who wanks off to pictures of (nude) children.

No one is suggesting ignoring them.

The thing is, it isn't an either-or situation. Technically, a man who whacks off to pictures of nude children is just as much a pedephile as one that rapes children. There is the question of exploitation of the children used to produce the photos. "Pictures of nude children" span the gamut from innocent naked babes frolicking to children in sexual poses or as victims of various forms of abuse. Practices involving children may involve behaviors ranging from whacking off while observing children from a hidden location to doing so in front of children to touching children inappropriately, having children touch the adult inappropirately, to outright rape. Dealing with these people should (in an enlightened world) be on case-by-case basis.

For better or worse, our only choice these days is to lock away those unable to control their impulses with an iron fist.

[salm]

well if they can't control themselves, the only other viable option is life long prison sentence, since we can't sure as hell just ignore them can we and just to make things clear I am talking about people who actually rare children not not some some guy who wanks off to pictures of (nude) children.

The problem with handing out the harshest punishment possible (e.g. death sentance in parts of the US or life long prison in other parts of the US or in Europe) on a crime that is not murder is that it is not practical.
If a rapist will get the maximum sentance anyway he could just kill the victim after raping it in order to remove the main whitness without having to fear a harsher punishment.

[Lord Revan]

there's no easy solution to this, I'm well aware of that, if there was it would probably been done already.

and Broomstick I know people object to capital punishment due to moral grounds (even I do consider too harsh for most situations).

and lets make one thing absolutly clear, if you can "cure" (meaning that they no longer act on their impulses) people who rape children, I consider that option many times more preferble to any other means.

[Lord Revan]

Ghetto edit:while I don't take back what I said about what I think pedophiles deserve, personally I'd still object to implementing the death penalty on such cases as it might lead to too much abuse of the system (as generally there's no innocent people who are accused of child malestation just those who weren't convinced (in the public view)).

[Zixinus]

). Transexuals can engage in intercourse and at least some claim to experience orgasm despite both surgical and chemical alteration of their bodies.

Ermm, you mean different kind of orgasm right?